I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while
the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off
track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that
has to do with Wimax???
3-dB Networks wrote:
Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the
right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche
is 35x more expensive.
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From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Tom
ROTFL
You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e
That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]>
wrote:
I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is
here for
the long haul.
From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto
products
on their way.
No problem with the $350 CPE level.
But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO.
The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is
not
that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very
insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity.
Its all
opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more
antennas,
etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their
legacy
components were when they were designed).
I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/
price
concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was
to us 5
years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of
10mbps 5
years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology.
This is
from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as
well as
technology advancement.
I'd pose the same arguements....
Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a
tough
call.
Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply
because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise,
before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from
calling
themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs.
But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage
line AP
cost in order to make a big splash in the market.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen
Moto
give
pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way
off
the
mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless-
[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Soon as in q1 or q2
IIRC
$350~ SM
$3500~ AP
Specs are in the website under 320 series
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
moto
Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean
they are
talking about comming out with?
In WISP time, there is a big difference.
Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at
current
Canopy level price points.
But that is an if.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Less?
Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using
mimo
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)?
All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency,
less
throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't
get
any
hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards,
since
those are only applicable to licensed bands.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless-
[email protected]]
On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear
We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band,
our
basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear
already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban
environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if
possible
with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway
device. If any dealers out there would like to chime in or hit me
off
list I would appreciate it.
Regards
Michael Baird
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