I have owned both..... Porsche is a true piece of german engineering Corvette was GM crap
Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:40 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics- il.net> wrote: > I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in > the > right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the > Porsche > is 35x more expensive. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > >> Tom >> >> ROTFL >> >> You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e >> >> That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche >> >> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is >>> here for >>> the long haul. >>>> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto >>>> products >>> on their way. >>> >>> No problem with the $350 CPE level. >>> >>> But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. >>> >>> The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is >>> not >>> that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very >>> insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. >>> Its all >>> opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more >>> antennas, >>> etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their >>> legacy >>> components were when they were designed). >>> >>> I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU >>> speed/ >>> price >>> concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was >>> to us 5 >>> years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of >>> 10mbps 5 >>> years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. >>> This is >>> from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as >>> well as >>> technology advancement. >>> >>> I'd pose the same arguements.... >>> >>> Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a >>> tough >>> call. >>> >>> Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, >>> simply >>> because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create >>> noise, >>> before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from >>> calling >>> themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. >>> >>> But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage >>> line AP >>> cost in order to make a big splash in the market. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>> >>> >>>> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen >>>> Moto >>>> give >>>> pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way >>>> off >>>> the >>>> mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) >>>> >>>> Daniel White >>>> 3-dB Networks >>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>> >>>> Soon as in q1 or q2 >>>> >>>> IIRC >>>> $350~ SM >>>> $3500~ AP >>>> >>>> Specs are in the website under 320 series >>>> >>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> moto >>>>> >>>>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really >>>>> mean >>>>> they are >>>>> talking about comming out with? >>>>> >>>>> In WISP time, there is a big difference. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at >>>>> current >>>>> Canopy level price points. >>>>> But that is an if. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Less? >>>>>> >>>>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using >>>>>> mimo >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <[email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC >>>>>>> cards, >>>>>>> since >>>>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 >>>>>>> band, >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear >>>>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban >>>>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external >>>>>>> gateway >>>>>>> device. 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