The only way in this country for the forseeable future is for
something like the Tea Party to put enough candidates into both partys
to take over and pass some serious reforms.  Term Limits, Tort reform,
Constitutional balanced budget amendment (with a provision to kick
them all out of office if they don't).

Although I would pay more in tax, I would like to see all government
fees and taxes constitutionally abolished and replaced with a flat
sales tax at the point of sales only.  No damn VAT tax where they hide
the true tax.

My 0.02 anyway.




On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:27 AM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One day soon - either Ron Paul or someone like him. As soon as enough people
> get pissed off. -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
>
>> I was going to vote but then I realized there was no space for Ron Paul.
>>
>> On 2/2/10, Eje Gustafsson <e...@wisp-router.com> wrote:
>> > Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
>> > don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
>> > because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes.
>> >
>> > Look at the 2008 President election
>> > State    Margin
>> > Missouri 0.14%
>> > NC       0.32%
>> > Indiana  1.04%
>> > NE 2nd cong dist 1.19%
>> > MT       2.25%
>> > Florida  2.82%
>> > Ohio     4.59% (your state)
>> > These states represented 88 electoral votes
>> >
>> > States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
>> > another 64 electoral votes.
>> >
>> > Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do
>> NOT
>> > count.
>> >
>> > I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
>> > themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63%
>> of
>> > those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
>> > president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter
>> increase
>> > over previous election.
>> > There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered.
>> >
>> > Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
>> > original from there)
>> > In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not
>> > only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no
>> > obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a "registered voter".
>> In
>> > the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or
>> king
>> > with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn
>> out
>> > to vote.
>> >
>> > So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote.
>> Go
>> > vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well.
>> Your
>> > voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri
>> that
>> > are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
>> > North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
>> > voted.
>> >
>> > Alright of my soap box.
>> >
>> > Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;)
>> >
>> > / Eje
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>> >
>> > I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>> >
>> > It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> continue
>> > that counts."
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Josh
>> >>
>> >> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>> >> matters?
>> >>
>> >> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>> >>
>> >> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> >> > continue
>> >> > that counts."
>> >> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>> >> >> (USA) give
>> >> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>> >> >> case of the
>> >> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>> >> >> used to
>> >> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>> >> >> everyone
>> >> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> >> >> -RickG
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito <cprof...@cv-
>> >> >> access.com
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> From NewsMax:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>> >> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>> >> >>> investment of
>> >> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> >> >> today.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> Web
>> >> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>> >> >>> genius work
>> >> >> of
>> >> >>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>> >> >>> working
>> >> >>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
>> >> >>> Projects
>> >> >>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
>> >> >>> the idea
>> >> >> of
>> >> >>> "open-architecture networking."
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> Internet.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>> >> >> worldwide
>> >> >>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
>> >> >>> world
>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> how we communicate in it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>> >> >>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
>> >> >>> network of
>> >> >>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>> >> >>> identifier
>> >> >>> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
>> >> >>> computer to
>> >> >>> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>> >> >> process
>> >> >>> of communication became know as the "information super highway,"
>> >> >>> aka, the
>> >> >>> Internet.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>> >> >>> sharing,
>> >> >>> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
>> >> >>> administration
>> >> >> set
>> >> >>> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
>> >> >>> Internet by
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>> >> >>> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> service the Internet.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>> >> >>> Assigned
>> >> >>> Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
>> >> >>> Department
>> >> >>> of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the
>> >> >>> DNS, IP
>> >> >>> addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet
>> >> >>> protocols, a
>> >> >>> person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For years, the international community has been pressuring the
>> >> >>> United
>> >> >>> States
>> >> >>> to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want
>> >> >>> an
>> >> >>> international body such as the United Nations or even the
>> >> >>> International
>> >> >>> Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
>> >> >>> telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
>> >> >> behalf
>> >> >>> of all nations.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
>> >> >>> Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful,
>> >> >>> pervasive, and
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> dependent form of international communications, that it would be
>> >> >> dangerous
>> >> >>> and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
>> >> >>> administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to
>> >> >>> relinquish
>> >> >>> some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama
>> >> >>> administration has
>> >> >>> agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and
>> >> >>> countries
>> >> >> on
>> >> >>> IANA.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant
>> >> >>> leap
>> >> >> for
>> >> >>> surrendering America's control over an invention we have every
>> >> >>> right and
>> >> >>> responsibility to control and manage.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
>> >> >>> relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control,
>> >> >>> operation,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and
>> >> >>> most
>> >> >>> powerful communications network.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation
>> >> >>> that made
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we
>> >> >>> believe in
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> fundamental right of free speech, and we practice a free market of
>> >> >> commerce
>> >> >>> and ideas.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> America has always been against censorship and has shared its
>> >> >>> invention
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> the world without fee or unreasonable or arbitrary restriction.
>> >> >>> The user
>> >> >>> fee
>> >> >>> to operate on the Internet is not one paid to the U.S. government; a
>> >> >>> consumer pays it to private Internet companies, who provide access
>> >> >>> to the
>> >> >>> Internet through servers for their subscribers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Look no further than China's recent move against Google to censor
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> Internet, and you can envision what can happen when other nations
>> >> >>> less
>> >> >> free
>> >> >>> than the United States seek to control the Internet beyond even
>> >> >>> their own
>> >> >>> borders.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> America needs to wake up. If we lose control over the management
>> >> >>> of the
>> >> >>> Internet, we have given away one of our nation's greatest assets
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> nothing
>> >> >>> in return to show for it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The Obama administration's actions will set in motion a slow and
>> >> >>> complete
>> >> >>> takeover of the Internet by the United Nations or some other equally
>> >> >>> U.S.-hostile and unfriendly international body. And once it is
>> >> >>> gone, it
>> >> >>> will
>> >> >>> be gone forever.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The surrender of the Internet will spell disaster for our nation,
>> >> >>> financially, as well as for safety, security and our standing as a
>> >> >>> great
>> >> >>> power that values freedom and the free exchange of ideas and
>> >> >>> information.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As far as I am concerned, America is still the last best hope for
>> >> >>> a more
>> >> >>> peaceful and prosperous world and our president should not be
>> >> >>> looking for
>> >> >>> ways to weaken us. Rather, his job is to work to strengthen us and
>> >> >> protect
>> >> >>> our nation's greatest asset our people's creativity and ingenuity.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bradley A. Blakeman, who was a deputy assistant to President
>> >> >>> George W.
>> >> >> Bush
>> >> >>> from 2001-20004, teaches Public Policy & Politics & International
>> >> >>> Affairs
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> Georgetown University.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> C Newsmax. All rights reserved.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> >> >>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >> >>> Behalf Of RickG
>> >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:58 PM
>> >> >>> To: WISPA General List
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commissioner Robert McDowell's statement on
>> >> >>> Broadband...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I wonder what the catch is :)
>> >> >>> -RickG
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:07 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "First, do harm".
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-296081A1.pdf
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> This speech was made at the end of January...  At least ONE
>> >> >>> commissioner's
>> >> >>>> got his head on straight...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> --- Winston Churchill
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