That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New York.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. > They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is > really too far but is the next closest meet point). > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > >> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the >> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* >> use would more than double. >> >> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >> purchases, not gig purchases). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to >>> needed areas? >>> >>> The middle mile could be built wherever. >>> >>> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >>> wireless. >>> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >>> To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" >>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>>> In my experience, >>>> >>>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, >>>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but >>>> it >>>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>>> >>>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded >>>> by >>>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >>>> sure >>>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>>> >>>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>>> applications I'm familiar with. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Citations needed? >>>>> >>>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>>> >>>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>>>> feel >>>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>>> infestructure? >>>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>> >>>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already >>>>> have >>>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last >>>>> mile >>>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, >>>>> a >>>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >>>>> redundant >>>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >>>>> functionality >>>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. >>>>> Worse, >>>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last >>>>> mile >>>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >>>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to >>>>>> middle >>>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well >>>>>> understood >>>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t >>>>>>> allow >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in >>>>>>> bulk >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a >>>>>>> meg >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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