I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use would more than double.
Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale purchases, not gig purchases). Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to > needed areas? > > The middle mile could be built wherever. > > The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and wireless. > Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM > To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> In my experience, >> >> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, >> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it >> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >> >> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by >> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure >> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >> >> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >> applications I'm familiar with. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >> >>> Citations needed? >>> >>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>> >>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel >>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>> infestructure? >>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have >>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile >>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a >>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant >>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality >>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, >>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile >>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>> >>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle >>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood >>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>> >>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>> have >>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow >>>>> them >>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>>>> capacity >>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk >>>>> you >>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if >>>>> you >>>>> have access to such things. >>>>> >>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>>>> had >>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg >>>>> you >>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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