On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us > $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig > that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use > would more than double. > > Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not available > at $1/Mbps.
I meant in our area by the way (I'm sure that was obvious, but just in case). Chuck > Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year special, are for about > $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale purchases, not gig purchases). > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to >> needed areas? >> >> The middle mile could be built wherever. >> >> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and wireless. >> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >> To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> In my experience, >>> >>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, >>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it >>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>> >>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by >>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure >>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>> >>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>> applications I'm familiar with. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>> >>>> Citations needed? >>>> >>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>> >>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel >>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>> infestructure? >>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have >>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile >>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a >>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant >>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality >>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, >>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile >>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle >>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood >>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>> have >>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow >>>>>> them >>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>>>>> capacity >>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk >>>>>> you >>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>>>>> had >>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg >>>>>> you >>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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