But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is really too far but is the next closest meet point).
Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 > To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us > $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig > that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use > would more than double. > > Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not available > at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year special, are for > about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale purchases, not gig > purchases). > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to >> needed areas? >> >> The middle mile could be built wherever. >> >> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and wireless. >> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >> To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> In my experience, >>> >>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, >>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it >>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>> >>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by >>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure >>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>> >>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>> applications I'm familiar with. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>> >>>> Citations needed? >>>> >>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>> >>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel >>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>> infestructure? >>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have >>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile >>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a >>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant >>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality >>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, >>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile >>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle >>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood >>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>> have >>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow >>>>>> them >>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>>>>> capacity >>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk >>>>>> you >>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>>>>> had >>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg >>>>>> you >>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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