depending on the cmts in place - yes or no for most - yes
the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows them to share the channel Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and installing out on a pole somewhere - then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made easier ... of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it worked solid for a long long time. While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer imho On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? > If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of > hardware the cost may not justify the update. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> > wrote: >> well - i think they dont for a few reasons... >> But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple >> update... >> >> I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... >> if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue >> increase... >> >> love the Churchill statement btw :-) >> >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Why do it...? >>> >>> If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better >>> speeds? I >>> doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to >>> another >>> provider for higher speeds. >>> >>> Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... >>>> They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. >>>> >>>> While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - >>>> allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... >>>> Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal >>>> for Time Warner to put into place... >>>> >>>> In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a >>>> throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple >>>> channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly >>>> 38mbps - >>>> so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome >>>> >>>> Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... >>>> >>>> In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 >>>> gives >>>> 122.88 Mbit/s >>>> with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down >>>> and 122.88 up >>>> >>>> Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>>> >>>>> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, >>>>> their >>>>> Turbo >>>>> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with >>>>> always >>>>> being >>>>> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >>>>> and its >>>>> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >>>>> >>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> WAVELINC >>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> ] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>> >>>>> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >>>>> burst all residential accounts. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>>>>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>>>>> "bursting" for >>>>>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>>>>> 1.5mbps. >>>>>> >>>>>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about >>>>>> it, >>>>>> they >>>>> are >>>>>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of MDK >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>>>>> cannot do it >>>>>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are >>>>>> ever >>>>>> busy >>>>> at >>>>>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for >>>>>> HOURS >>>>>> to >>>>>> around 20% of my clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >>>>>>>> <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>> $49.95/ >>>>>>>>>> mo gets >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >>>>>>>>>> <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 >>>>>>>>>>> Bux for >>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We >>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>> a 300K >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but >>>>>>>>>>> you can't >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. >>>>>>>>>>> Not the >>>>>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 >>>>>>>>>>> meg be >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage >>>>>>>>>>>> area and >>>>>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it >>>>>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it >>>>>>>>>>>> they will >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways >>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k >>>>>>>>>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to >>>>>>>>>>>> retain >>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> customers???? They are not even giving us a chance to offer >>>>>>>>>>>> them a >>>>>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>>>>> price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been >>>>>>>>>>>> using it >>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>> month before they cancel ours. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>>>>> P.O. 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