While on the topic of IPv6..... Wireless gear does not need to respond directly to IPV6, but it does need to be able to pass IPV6 traffic, to be relevent for the future. The conversion to IPV6 was mandatory for many entities such as Government. A WISP could quickly be left out of opportunity, if they are not able to pass IPv6.
So what are WISPs doing about it? What are Manufacturer's doing about it? What about all the many Licensed backhaul transport links? (Trango, Dragonwave, Bridgewave, Saf, etc ) Are WISPs tunneling IPv6 through IPv4 transports, and taking a performance hit? Are manufacturer's bridge gear passing IPv6, since its layer2 (most licensed gear now have Gig port to pass 9600+ packet sizes)? Or are Manufacturer's making firmware updates to deal with it? Its pretty simple to get routers and transit providers to IPv6 compliance. But what about teh wireless gear? Anyone got a plan of attack yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Kelley" <gl...@hostmedic.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Comcast once the roll out is complete will be moving 100% to IPV6 - another nice addition of docsis 3 Wish most of the hardware in the WISP environment supported it On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > depending on the cmts in place - yes or no > > for most - yes > > the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows > them to share the channel > > Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and > installing out on a pole somewhere - > then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made > easier ... > > of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture > > Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) > > I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem > termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from > a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it > worked solid for a long long time. > > While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the > basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer > imho > > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? >> If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of >> hardware the cost may not justify the update. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> >> wrote: >>> well - i think they dont for a few reasons... >>> But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty >>> simple >>> update... >>> >>> I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... >>> if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue >>> increase... >>> >>> love the Churchill statement btw :-) >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Why do it...? >>>> >>>> If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better >>>> speeds? I >>>> doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to >>>> another >>>> provider for higher speeds. >>>> >>>> Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue that counts.” >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley >>>> <gl...@hostmedic.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... >>>>> They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. >>>>> >>>>> While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ >>>>> 6.4MHz - >>>>> allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... >>>>> Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great >>>>> deal >>>>> for Time Warner to put into place... >>>>> >>>>> In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a >>>>> throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple >>>>> channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly >>>>> 38mbps - >>>>> so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome >>>>> >>>>> Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... >>>>> >>>>> In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 >>>>> gives >>>>> 122.88 Mbit/s >>>>> with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s >>>>> down >>>>> and 122.88 up >>>>> >>>>> Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, >>>>>> their >>>>>> Turbo >>>>>> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with >>>>>> always >>>>>> being >>>>>> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed >>>>>> test >>>>>> and its >>>>>> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>> ] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says >>>>>> they >>>>>> burst all residential accounts. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>>>>>> "bursting" for >>>>>>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>>>>>> 1.5mbps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>> they >>>>>> are >>>>>>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of MDK >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>>>>>> cannot do it >>>>>>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are >>>>>>> ever >>>>>>> busy >>>>>> at >>>>>>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for >>>>>>> HOURS >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> around 20% of my clients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >>>>>>>>> <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>>>>>>>>> <jay...@spectrasurf.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>>> $49.95/ >>>>>>>>>>> mo gets >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >>>>>>>>>>> <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. >>>>>>>>>>>> 35 >>>>>>>>>>>> Bux for >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We >>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>> a 300K >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but >>>>>>>>>>>> you can't >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering >>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. >>>>>>>>>>>> Not the >>>>>>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What >>>>>>>>>>>> would 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> meg be >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage >>>>>>>>>>>>> area and >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it >>>>>>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it >>>>>>>>>>>>> they will >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k >>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to >>>>>>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> customers???? They are not even giving us a chance to >>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>>> them a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>>>>>> price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been >>>>>>>>>>>>> using it >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> month before they cancel ours. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>>>>>> P.O. 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