And keep in mind, if your business is smaller there is a lot less overhead so a larger one will need to raise that minimum comfortable level.
The one thing you need to look at though, is if they received funding to build-out DSL somehow. There are a lot of government funded grants out there. -Jeff "There is a difference" -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Thats right and my point. I dont see $15/month anywhere near sustainable for any company. My curiosity is, what number is? As I mentioned, for me $49.99/month is comfortable. Any lower and things get sacrificed. I run a tight ship and am frugal. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Ehman <jeh...@cticonnect.com> wrote: > Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? > It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that > is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get > terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford > to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and > see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. > > Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees > and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care > of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up > for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for > the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... > > If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your > network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. > Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make > VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing > anything with infrastructure. > > -Jeff > "There is a difference" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been > deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem......... Inactive of > course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Kelley > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their >> Turbo >> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always >> being >> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >> and its >> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >> burst all residential accounts. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>> "bursting" for >>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>> 1.5mbps. >>> >>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >>> they >> are >>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of MDK >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>> cannot do it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >>> busy >> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >>> to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>> >>>>>> mc >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ >>>>>>> mo gets >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really >>>>>>>> do >> have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 >>>>>>>> Bux for >> a >>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer >>>>>>>> a 300K >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but >>>>>>>> you can't >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering >>>>>>>> something >> like >>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. >>>>>>>> Not the >>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 >>>>>>>> meg be >> in >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage >>>>>>>>> area and >>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it >>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it >>>>>>>>> they will >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways >>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>> about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless >>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain >> these >>>>>>>>> customers???? They are not even giving us a chance to offer >>>>>>>>> them a >>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>> price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been >>>>>>>>> using it >>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>> month before they cancel ours. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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