Comcast once the roll out is complete will be moving 100% to IPV6 - another nice addition of docsis 3
Wish most of the hardware in the WISP environment supported it On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > depending on the cmts in place - yes or no > > for most - yes > > the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows > them to share the channel > > Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and > installing out on a pole somewhere - > then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made > easier ... > > of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture > > Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) > > I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem > termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from > a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it > worked solid for a long long time. > > While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the > basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer > imho > > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? >> If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of >> hardware the cost may not justify the update. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> >> wrote: >>> well - i think they dont for a few reasons... >>> But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty >>> simple >>> update... >>> >>> I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... >>> if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue >>> increase... >>> >>> love the Churchill statement btw :-) >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Why do it...? >>>> >>>> If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better >>>> speeds? I >>>> doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to >>>> another >>>> provider for higher speeds. >>>> >>>> Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue that counts.” >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley >>>> <gl...@hostmedic.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... >>>>> They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. >>>>> >>>>> While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ >>>>> 6.4MHz - >>>>> allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... >>>>> Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great >>>>> deal >>>>> for Time Warner to put into place... >>>>> >>>>> In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a >>>>> throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple >>>>> channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly >>>>> 38mbps - >>>>> so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome >>>>> >>>>> Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... >>>>> >>>>> In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 >>>>> gives >>>>> 122.88 Mbit/s >>>>> with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s >>>>> down >>>>> and 122.88 up >>>>> >>>>> Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, >>>>>> their >>>>>> Turbo >>>>>> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with >>>>>> always >>>>>> being >>>>>> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed >>>>>> test >>>>>> and its >>>>>> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>> ] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says >>>>>> they >>>>>> burst all residential accounts. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>>>>>> "bursting" for >>>>>>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>>>>>> 1.5mbps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>> they >>>>>> are >>>>>>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of MDK >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>>>>>> cannot do it >>>>>>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are >>>>>>> ever >>>>>>> busy >>>>>> at >>>>>>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for >>>>>>> HOURS >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> around 20% of my clients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so, with what equipment? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >>>>>>>>> <coelh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>>> $49.95/ >>>>>>>>>>> mo gets >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>>>>>>>>>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>> like that too. >>>>>>>>>>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >>>>>>>>>>> <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. >>>>>>>>>>>> 35 >>>>>>>>>>>> Bux for >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We >>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>> a 300K >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> 25 >>>>>>>>>>>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but >>>>>>>>>>>> you can't >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>> outside of normal pricing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering >>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> a 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. >>>>>>>>>>>> Not the >>>>>>>>>>>> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What >>>>>>>>>>>> would 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> meg be >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> area? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>>>>>>>>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage >>>>>>>>>>>>> area and >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailed >>>>>>>>>>>>> out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it >>>>>>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>>>>>> promotional price. One person said as long as you have it >>>>>>>>>>>>> they will >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k >>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to >>>>>>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> customers???? They are not even giving us a chance to >>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>>> them a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>>>>>> price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been >>>>>>>>>>>>> using it >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> month before they cancel ours. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>>>>>> P.O. 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