The joys of x86 hardware...lower cost with a chance of additional discussion.
I've not looked at a price for the card individually as I have not needed it, but maybe we can get an MSRP for it? If it's another $25 or something who cares, but I have been told verbally it is much much higher. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Scott Reed <scottr...@onlyinternet.net>wrote: > I would guess that Cisco will honor if you add a Cisco built card, but > not third party and only if you don't open the case. > > Brad Belton wrote: > > I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if you > buy > > an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) and > > install it in your Cisco router. > > > > I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user installing > > something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the card the > > end user installs is exactly the same....what's the problem? > > > > Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured before it > > was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can simply > > say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just flat > out > > void the warranty on the entire product. > > > > Anyway...just an opinion. > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > How so Brad? > > > > We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to buy the > > pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that you > do). > > How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear that > went > > in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know if > it > > is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are > enough > > variables in the process already. > > > > ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support (including > 24/7 > > emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. We > offer > > free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance Guarantee > > with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the box > > come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco prices > for > > RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > ImageStream > > 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > > +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Brad Belton > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card Imagestream > > installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. > > > > Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > Hi All, > > > > I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/support. > > Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > ImageStream > > 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > > +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) > > > > On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: > > > >> Yup... that's the one. > >> > >> Travis > >> > >> > >> Josh Luthman wrote: > >> > >>> Maybe this one? > >>> > >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>> 1100 Wayne St > >>> Suite 1337 > >>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>> > >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > >>> continue that counts." > >>> --- Winston Churchill > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples <tsharp...@qorvus.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Thanks guys! > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Travis Johnson > >>>> To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and > >>>> they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom Sharples wrote: > >>>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , > >>>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet > >>>> cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard > >>>> (e.g. 3com, intel, > >>>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a > >>>> proprietary card? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Tom S. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal. > >>>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new. > >>>> > >>>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older > >>>> model that doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.) > >>>> > >>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet > >>>> expansion boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I > >>>> don't know what this model costs new with the added ports. Way more > >>>> than we really need. > >>>> I'm > >>>> looking forward to trying it out tho. > >>>> > >>>> Tom S. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues. Need to push > >>>> a little bit and use the phone. To this day I've not had a response > >>>> to my emails without a phone call. > >>>> > >>>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert <lamb...@lambertfam.org> wrote: > >>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>> I really think you'll love ImageStream... > >>>> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we > >>>> inherited. Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty > >>>> happy. > >>>> > >>>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is > >>>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple > >>>> subnets on the same interface. The shellcmd plugin lets me have a > >>>> GUI to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface > >>>> configuration GUI of pfSense 1.2.3. > >>>> > >>>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the > >>>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have > >>>> to go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway > >>>> newip manually. Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and > >>>> can't get OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box. > >>>> > >>>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work. I don't know if that > >>>> is an indication that I have bad hardware or what. Using suspect > >>>> gear for your first experience with a platform is probably not the > >>>> best situation for figuring out what is what. The other 4 inherited > >>>> TransPorts all have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't > >>>> been able to use them. I can't point to anything on the other three > >>>> that screams "I'm busted." > >>>> > >>>> Having to reboot is really annoying. Having to use the shell to > >>>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least > >>>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility. > >>>> > >>>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams > >>>> is, it would take me much longer to train guys to run the > >>>> ImageStreams than it will take to train them to run pfSense. The > >>>> secondary problem is cost : > >>>> > >>>> pfSense on Alix: $204 3 eth > >>>> pfSense on soekris: $275-350 4 eth > >>>> > >>>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth > >>>> $600 e-bay. 3 eth > >>>> > >>>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed. > >>>> More horsepower would be wasted. The BGP running pfSense box is a > >>>> bit beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a > >>>> new TransPort. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert > >>>> <lamb...@lambertfam.org>wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1 > >>>> peer. > >>>> I am awaiting that fix myself. > >>>> In the GUI anyway. > >>>> > >>>> 1. mount -u -w / > >>>> > >>>> 2. vi config file > >>>> > >>>> 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to > >>>> handle more peers. > >>>> > >>>> That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can > >>>> still make it work. > >>>> > >>>> I only need one peer for now. The only reason it needs to speak BGP > >>>> is so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit > provider. > >>>> > >>>> I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga. But my long term goal is > >>>> to not be the only guy here who can manage the network. > >>>> > >>>> I love PFSENSE - Chris has done an awesome job on that > project. > >>>> Durn tootin'. Chris and that other Scott, and Ermal and . . > . > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix > >>>> SysAdmin > >>>> lamb...@lambertfam.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ------------ > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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