Last time we purchased one (3-4 years ago) I think it was $125. Travis Microserv
Josh Luthman wrote: > What everyone is saying is the Cisco is not Imagestream. > > I think we can all be very very very thankful of that. > > It's an Imagestream policy not to put in third party parts. Follow it > or don't, it is your choice. > > I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges > $45. > > On 4/16/10, Eje Gustafsson <e...@wisp-router.com> wrote: > >> Last I heard Cisco don't provide free firmware upgrade/warranty especially >> on resold products unless specific IOS license is purchased with the >> reselling. >> Cisco don't provide free support period. >> >> With the myriad of PC based cards out there I don't blame IS for not >> providing warranty support on third party cards installed in their routers. >> How do you know that card isn't a cheap knock off card. Further even if it's >> not a knock off card maybe the revision of the card is newer or older then >> what IS provides and have tested out to work with their software. So should >> they then support a card they didn't make anything at all from selling and >> that they have not tested to work in their software solution? What if they >> came to the conclusion that specific card don't work well at all and simply >> decided to not offer this particular card and you buy and install this card >> in your IS router why should they support and warranty their router just to >> track it down to a non certified third party card being installed in your >> router? If they find this IMO it wouldn't be too much to ask for >> compensation for the technical support assistance you where given on a none >> IS product. >> >> Just like most ISPs they have their demarcation point at the Ethernet side >> on their CPE when they provide the CPE. So if there are issues with the >> client they do testing of the Ethernet side on the CPE and if everything >> works out well and the customer want you to trouble shoot further to see >> what is wrong with their computer or router almost all ISPs I talked to >> charge for it or they go so far as provide free broadband routers that they >> trust. I'm sure there are those that set themselves apart and will help out >> for free especially if the client is a higher $$ client or the client has a >> router the ISP trust in and like. >> >> I see little difference between these here. IS provide a boxed solution that >> can be expanded. They support and warrant their products, their cards they >> provide for the products because they know they work with their hardware and >> their software. If it doesn't they will fix it. Where is the incentive for >> them to fix a problem with a NIC card they didn't sell and earned any money >> for? When they sold the router they have appropriate margin to handle >> warranty and support on that particular product. If you want another card >> you might pay a bit of a premium over a third party card but that is the >> extra you pay for the extended warranty and support to handle this product >> as well. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> / Eje >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:13 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> I completely agree if the card installed is 3rd party and completely >> different than what Imagestream, Cisco or any OEM sells. >> >> The point is ----> If the card is exactly the same as OEM, however being >> sourced from somewhere else other than the OEM, I don't see why the OEM >> should get their panties "all in a wad" and void the warranty on the >> product. >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:00 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> Gotta disagree Brad- show me the price point differences between any >> Cisco and IS that are comporable - don't forget TCO for OS upgrades >> etc. Are you suggesting Cisco provides a cheaper HW upgrade solution? >> >> This is like pulling your car into the oil change station, handing the >> guy 5 qt of your own oil that you purchased for a few bucks cheaper >> and a new air filter.. Doesn't work that way- everyone needs a >> business model that's profitable. >> >> Thanks, >> ‘S >> >> --- >> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> wrote: >> >> >>> I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if >>> you buy >>> an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) >>> and >>> install it in your Cisco router. >>> >>> I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user >>> installing >>> something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the >>> card the >>> end user installs is exactly the same....what's the problem? >>> >>> Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured >>> before it >>> was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can >>> simply >>> say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just >>> flat out >>> void the warranty on the entire product. >>> >>> Anyway...just an opinion. >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>> >>> How so Brad? >>> >>> We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to >>> buy the >>> pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that >>> you do). >>> How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear >>> that went >>> in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know >>> if it >>> is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are >>> enough >>> variables in the process already. >>> >>> ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support >>> (including 24/7 >>> emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. >>> We offer >>> free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance >>> Guarantee >>> with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the >>> box >>> come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco >>> prices for >>> RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> ImageStream >>> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >>> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Brad Belton >>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>> >>> Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card >>> Imagestream >>> installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. >>> >>> Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ >>> support. >>> Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> ImageStream >>> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >>> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>> >>> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) >>> >>> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Yup... that's the one. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe this one? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>>> continue that counts." >>>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples >>>>> <tsharp...@qorvus.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks guys! >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Travis Johnson >>>>>> To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and >>>>>> they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Travis >>>>>> Microserv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Sharples wrote: >>>>>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , >>>>>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet >>>>>> cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard >>>>>> (e.g. 3com, intel, >>>>>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a >>>>>> proprietary card? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom S. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal. >>>>>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new. >>>>>> >>>>>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older >>>>>> model that doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet >>>>>> expansion boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I >>>>>> don't know what this model costs new with the added ports. Way more >>>>>> than we really need. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> looking forward to trying it out tho. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom S. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues. Need to >>>>>> push >>>>>> a little bit and use the phone. To this day I've not had a >>>>>> response >>>>>> to my emails without a phone call. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert <lamb...@lambertfam.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>> I really think you'll love ImageStream... >>>>>> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we >>>>>> inherited. Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is >>>>>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple >>>>>> subnets on the same interface. The shellcmd plugin lets me have a >>>>>> GUI to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface >>>>>> configuration GUI of pfSense 1.2.3. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the >>>>>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have >>>>>> to go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway >>>>>> newip manually. Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and >>>>>> can't get OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work. I don't know if that >>>>>> is an indication that I have bad hardware or what. Using suspect >>>>>> gear for your first experience with a platform is probably not the >>>>>> best situation for figuring out what is what. The other 4 >>>>>> inherited >>>>>> TransPorts all have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't >>>>>> been able to use them. I can't point to anything on the other >>>>>> three >>>>>> that screams "I'm busted." >>>>>> >>>>>> Having to reboot is really annoying. Having to use the shell to >>>>>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at >>>>>> least >>>>>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the >>>>>> ImageStreams >>>>>> is, it would take me much longer to train guys to run the >>>>>> ImageStreams than it will take to train them to run pfSense. The >>>>>> secondary problem is cost : >>>>>> >>>>>> pfSense on Alix: $204 3 eth >>>>>> pfSense on soekris: $275-350 4 eth >>>>>> >>>>>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth >>>>>> $600 e-bay. 3 eth >>>>>> >>>>>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed. >>>>>> More horsepower would be wasted. The BGP running pfSense box is a >>>>>> bit beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a >>>>>> new TransPort. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert >>>>>> <lamb...@lambertfam.org>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1 >>>>>> peer. >>>>>> I am awaiting that fix myself. >>>>>> In the GUI anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. mount -u -w / >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. vi config file >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. 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