He tried 5ghz from the very start but due to the tree situation he couldn't get any penetration but 2.4 put him where he wanted to be. I had the same reservations about using 2.4 but he's been flying just fine with no issues on his side of things. The issue is, as you pointed out, a poorly designed network that will never tolerate interference.
Good thoughts, thanks. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Rather than 3.65 is there a reason not to use 5GHz? I haven't tested the DTS stuff yet, but if it works in AirMax it would open plenty of spectrum (assuming you don't have radar issues). Even so I would look at 5MHz Airmax channels in the 5GHz range, if old wisp is running 2.4 shouldn't be an issue, your only conflict would be your backhauls and depending on backhaul distance you can use 5.2 or 3.6 when you gets the license. I haven't hung any new 2.4 gear in over 3 years because the spectrum has gotten so bad and I'm in pretty much the middle of nowhere. As for resolution with the old wisp, I would go to the meeting, say I've tried to get along with the old wisp, but that his system was set up in such as way as to not be able to handle the noise that is inherent to license free spectrum. Include the appropriate quotes from part15 about accepting interference. I'm assuming new wisp customers aren't having a problem. I would point that out. My network is fine because it is designed properly his is falling down because it was designed poorly. I would also point out that all of your equipment falls within part15 specifications (if you are using AirMax for everything it should). I would asked the competitor to provide similar assurances. On 12/29/10 10:21 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or wait for UBNT AirSync. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any experience with something like this or any ideas. Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring broadband to all of their grain legs. The operator had the idea of, instead of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service to local customers. The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a fairly good sized network. For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets with sectors at the APs. Network has been working perfectly. That's the setup. Now for the trouble. There was and still is an existing WISP in the area. 60 customers or so. (Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not to use him for whatever reason) It's reported that boy is in love with Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs. For CPEs he goes for large grids and Bullets, I believe. He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5 miles or more on those OMNI APs. New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul, 2.4 for CPE. Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately. Interference taking down his network. New wisp changes channels to those suggested by old wisp. Calls again, interference. New wisp changes channels again. Another phone call, he changes yet again. Then drops down to 10MHz channels to give more room. Still the phone calls. For a time it was every evening he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy. Old wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad mouthing new wisp. Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?" Old wisp then wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash. I tell new wisp, "Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network". New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per unit. New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I see, about all he can do. He's within all power regulations and has bent over backwards to every request put to him by this guy. (One of the last comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words, blast him and take down his network) Now the latest. Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy. New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a competing channel. Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ? Surely someone here has been there before. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! 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