It can be done with Mk and Canopy, both support qinq

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On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "Tim Densmore" <tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com> 
wrote:

> Hi Fred,
> 
> I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're 
> using generic terms like "switching" and "VLAN" to describe complex 
> Metro-E/Carrier-E scenarios.  Standard VLANs break up broadcast domains, 
> but they don't create virtual circuits or provide total isolation - this 
> is one of the reasons I initially asked what you were describing.  
> Metro-e q-in-q with stag/ctag UNIs and EVCs behave much differently than 
> standard packet switched ethernet "dot1q" VLANs in that regard.  I'd 
> reference the different metro-e IEEE standards if I were smart enough to 
> keep them all in my head or unlazy enough to look them up.
> 
> Tons of info available at metroethernetforum.org for folks who are 
> trying to figure out what I'm talking about.
> 
> I'd be extremely impressed to learn that you could do a decent metro-e 
> roll-out with ubnt and mt.  In the WISP world, I'd expect single-tagged 
> dot1q VLANs to be enough to differentiate customer traffic, even in 
> large-ish MPOP scenarios.  How many POPs generally hang off a single 
> network segment before hitting a router?
> 
> Thanks for the interesting discussion!
> 
> TD
> 
> On 10/12/2012 10:14 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.  It is allowing only 
>> the VLAN to go from A to B, while nothing else goes to A or B, and the 
>> VLAN is invisible to everyone else.  Which is really virtual circuit 
>> behavior; VLAN is the legacy name of the VC ID.
>> 
>> In CE switching, then, the VLAN receives no broadcasts from anyone 
>> else on the switch or network, and sends no broadcasts outside.  What 
>> goes onto that mapped port, or onto a VLAN pre-tagged to go to that 
>> port, is totally and completely invisible to all other users.  So it's 
>> secure enough for public safety use on a shared PMD.  This is 
>> different from a bridge, where broadcasts go everywhere.  One type of 
>> MEF service (EP-LAN) does actually emulate a LAN with >2 ports and 
>> broadcasts among them, but the more common EPL and EVPL would not know 
>> a broadcast frame from anything else, since they just pass the MAC 
>> addresses transparently.
> 
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