Wish we could unsubscribe from certain, never ending threads. On Oct 19, 2012 5:52 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote:
> i will respectfully disagree......WISP Industry is rather a broad > Term... How one provider (WISP or otherwise) sets up their Service > DMARC / Delivery of the Service is totally dependent on the WISP and to > Whom they are delivering the Service to. > > If you are saying what you are saying in the context of a Residential > Service Provider, there is plenty of proven options on how to define > that handoff... > If you are talking about Business service providers then the answer can > be very different. > > While this conversation is very interesting, I am thinking about how > this applies to us.... We are not delivering Residential Service, and > for businesses we do an Ethernet Hand-off, sometimes it is directly off > the UBNT Radio, other times we install a Mikrotik Router as the Dmarc. > > Doing this gives us the the ultimate flexibility to mix and match > service for the Customer, even in cases where they are wanting to have > L2 Transport and not internet access.. We use EoIP tunnels to accomplish > that for them. > > While it is nice to have an automated system, but keep in mind that > automated system and Flexibility are polar opposites. In my Opinion > WISP's are specialty providers, and as such have to offer Flexibility... > > In case of Residential Service ... There are existing documented ways of > creating a Walled Garden, and letting the users Register, Cable Industry > uses this approach for authenticating the Modems and matching them to a > Subscriber Account.. > > However, I believe that what Fred is talking about is not something that > applies fully to Residential Service.... (Remember all Resi BroadBand is > classified as best effort, and there is a good reason for it...) > > While I can understand Fred asking about CE (Carrier Ethernet) showing > up in WISP's networks, I am still puzzled as to the need of CE in Radios > or Routers... Mikrotiks are routers, and very flexible tools.... There > is nothing stopping anyone today to deploy these in combination with CE > switches... > > The question of the day then becomes, is the problem the WISP's face, > have to do with the equipment they are using (not having these > functionality), or is the problem the WISP, building their network in a > Layered approach so that the Common Denominators (of functionality) can > be used as a mass provisioning tool.... > > I personally think that most WISP's want their Radios / devices to do > everything in the world for them, and do it extremely well, and do it > for a very in-expensive cost. which of course is not reality. > > Customer Provisioning and Customer management are 'Systems' and not a > device or protocol.... AT&T / Comcast / Verizon, have the CPE mfg. > write special firmware for them to auto provision the devices, WISP's > can accomplish the same or similar using a Systems approach. > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, Fl 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net > > On 10/19/2012 4:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > What we're (well, I am anyway) saying is that the way the WISP industry > does it... is sub-optimal. The customer should be able to supply whatever > device they want, be handed up to a configured maximum number of public IP > addresses (specified per account), but the CPE has managed all account > authorization. The customer should still be permitted to pass 1500 byte > packets. The customer shouldn't have any configuration on their behalf. You > know... how cable does it. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" <gmsm...@gmail.com> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:48:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > > > > > > don't know why you would let the customer equipment auth. our network > all auth is done at the CPE that we control. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Simon Westlake < si...@powercode.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to > > work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in > > comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably > > better than nothing but you shouldn't have to rely on the customer > > supplied equipment being configured correctly to just auth to the > > network - that's the job of the ISP CPE. > > > > It's not even that hard of a problem to solve in the grand scheme of > things. > > > > > > > > On 10/13/2012 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Well yes it is, but I believe the cable industry has it setup the best. > It's easy for the end user to BYOD and the ISP remains hand-off. The WISP > industry makes it difficult to do so. Currently everything I do is NATed at > the CPE, but I'd like to make that optional, not a requirement. Obviously > for enterprise\wholesale level connections I do something different, but > there's too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappydsl.net > > >> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > >> > >> While this is your opinion, others have a different opinion... > >> For what is it worth, It would be nice to have Radius attributes for > >> provisioning the radio..It currently shows it to be on their todo list. > >> As for your other item, I believe DHCP relay is built into the new > >> firmware . > >> > >> As far as NAT is concerned, it has it's place. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Faisal Imtiaz > >> Snappy Internet & Telecom > >> 7266 SW 48 Street > >> Miami, Fl 33155 > >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > >> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net > >> > >> On 10/12/2012 10:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> I want to see the removal of doing anything other than DHCP to the > client's device. The CPE radio pulls it's rate-shaping information from > RADIUS and allows any number of DHCP clients on a per-CPE basis to pull a > public IP. > >>> > >>> An ISP doing NAT is just silly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Scott Reed" < sr...@nwwnet.net > > >>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:16:43 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > >>> > >>> > >>> NAT at the at a couple of towers, but not at the CPE. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/11/2012 6:52 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Not sure I under stand the no-NAT, so every device on the other side > of the CPE has it's own public IP? > >>> > >>> On 10/11/2012 4:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> We run MT, not UBNT, CPE, but it doesn't matter what brand it is. We > run them in as routers, but do not NAT. Same benefits others mentioned for > routing, just one fewer NAT. Never have a problem with it this way and > can't see any good reason to NAT there. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/11/2012 3:46 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> We currently use Ubiquiti radios in bridge mode and assign a ip > address to the customers router. > >>> He have heard other wisp are using the Ubiquiti radio as a router. > >>> Would like feed back why one would do this when it appears customers > would be double natted when they hook up their routers? > >>> Or does it not matter from the customer experience? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >
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