Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without an expensive Procera box.
PC Blaze Broadband On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: >Quick question, > >Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and >DPI >devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two >entirely different classes of products. > >Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> > >On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: >> >> It can work on networks not behind a NAT. >> >> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net ><mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per >> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ >> >> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s >public >> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> ><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of >> these caches running. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net ><mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX > >> in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple >> hardware.) >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> ><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple >> put one of these in? >> >> PC >> Blaze Broadband >> >> On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> >wrote: >> >> I don't think many people care about caching servers in this >> regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all >> the APs. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc >> <mailto:t...@way.lc>> wrote: >> >> For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at >> Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides >Apple >> software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple >> in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple >> looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and >> tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day >> job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This >> has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release >> updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. >> >> Tim Way >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >> <paolo.difrance...@level7.it >> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much >> bandwidth you have >> (and the experince you want to give to the users) >> >> In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they >> (all) try to >> improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing >the >> bandwidth >> with their policies that could or could not fit your >policies. >> >> Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic >> locally (e.g. >> Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for >> sure you have to >> work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The >> nice thing, in >> that case, is that you will be more aware of what your >> users are doing >> and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is >> that you have >> to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the >> hardware, many are >> using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik >models. >> >> For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot >:) >> >> Just my 2 cents >> >> >> >> > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to >> Exinda for >> > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth >> managers altogether >> > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies >> on core routers >> > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. >> > >> > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in >> infrastructure >> > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth >> management devices. >> > >> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> ><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] >> > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig >> > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM >> > *To:* WISPA General List >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have >a >> product and a >> > library available. Have contacted them for additional >> information. >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net >> <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net >> <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>) >> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >> > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>– >> Sheboygan/Plymouth area >> > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>– Other areas, >> toll-free >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com >> <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com><mailto:j...@spitwspots.com >> <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>> >> > *To: *wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine >> > >> > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >> > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >> <http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com> >> > >> > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: >> > >> > We have done some searching in this arena and have >> only found a >> > couple of what seem to be similar products >available: >> > >> > Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, >> costs a lot so >> > they live up to their name :) ) >> > >> > Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it >> > >> > NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as >> Procera / Allot >> > >> > Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of >their >> boxes, would >> > not EVER use again not because of the software / >> hardware but the >> > owner / lead developer which may have changed as it >> was a long >> > time ago we used this >> > >> > Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, >> just having a >> > difficult time justifying the expense as well. I >say >> we all throw >> > in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that >> we have control >> > over :) I have to believe some decent server >quality >> hardware >> > running on an open source operating system with >> custom code could >> > fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this >> myself. >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net >> <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net >> <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>) >> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >> > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>– >> Sheboygan/Plymouth area >> > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>– Other areas, >> toll-free >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Dave Barker" <d...@broadlincwireless.com >> <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>> >> > <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com >> <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>> >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org ><mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > Back to the original question, is there anything >> else out there >> > that does what Procera can do? >> > >> > >> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens >> <asteph...@ptera.com <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com> >> > <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com >> <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>>> wrote: >> > >> > I can not speak for sales since we bought our >> Procera through >> > Powercode - but tech support has be very >> responsive using >> > their web based support system. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Arthur Stephens >> > >> > Senior Networking Technician >> > >> > Ptera Inc. >> > >> > PO Box 135 >> > >> > 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >> > >> > Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >> > >> > 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837> >> > >> > ptera.com <http://ptera.com><http://ptera.com> >> > >> > facebook.com/PteraInc >> ><http://facebook.com/PteraInc><http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | >> > twitter.com/Ptera >> <http://twitter.com/Ptera><http://twitter.com/Ptera> >> > >> > >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > "This message may contain confidential and/or >> propriety >> > information, and is intended for the >> person/entity to whom it >> > was originally addressed. >> > >> > Any use by others is strictly prohibited. >Please >> note that any >> > views or opinions presented in this email are >> solely those of >> > the author and are not intended to represent >> those of the >> > company." >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith >> <wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com> >> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com >> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>> wrote: >> > >> > So the last booth I visited at Wispa in >> Vegas was the >> > Procera booth. I am hooked and want to >learn >> more, but at >> > $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, >as >> I would need >> > to purchase 4 of them for my current >> locations that I >> > serve. Are there any other solution I can >> look for to do >> > similar functions that may be more cost >> effective? >> > >> > __ >> > >> > _I am also a little leery at the fact that >I >> have left >> > them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent >> an email from >> > earlier this week with no return call. So >> that’s a concern >> > if it takes a while to get sales support if >> tech support >> > would be any different. 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