Most of our clients are on computers thatare like 8+ year old desktop pcs running windows XP and win98. :/

I looked at our traffic to apple servers and it's something like 1.5% (via IPOQUE).

Apple caching is probably more important in some areas than others.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/30/2014 01:40 PM, Paul Conlin wrote:
Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without an expensive Procera box.

PC
Blaze Broadband

On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote:

    Quick question,

    Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping
    and DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff?
    Those are two entirely different classes of products.

    Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
    SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

    On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

    It can work on networks not behind a NAT.

    http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573

    Chris Wright

    Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

    *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
    [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
    *To:* WISPA General List
    *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

    Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.



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    Mike Hammett
    Intelligent Computing Solutions
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    *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net
    <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
    *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org
    <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
    *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
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    Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per
    http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/

    “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s
    public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of
    the dns)”

    Chris Wright

    Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

    *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
    <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
    *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM
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    I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one
    of these caches running.



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    OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize
    OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s
    Apple hardware.)

    Chris Wright

    Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

    *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
    <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
    *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin
    *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM
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    Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does
    Apple put one of these in?

    PC
    Blaze Broadband

    On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman
    <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
    <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

        I don't think many people care about caching servers in this
        regard.  The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's
        all the APs.


        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc
        <mailto:t...@way.lc>> wrote:

            For those that are unaware of it you should take a look
            at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it
            provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and
            basically anything Apple in a local cache that is
            transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP
            of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the
            local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network
            Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented
            the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in
            regards to our open (public) wireless network.

            Tim Way

            On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
            <paolo.difrance...@level7.it
            <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

                Hello,

                it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much
                bandwidth you have
                (and the experince you want to give to the users)

                In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth
                they (all) try to
                improve how you manage it. So those boxes are
                managing the bandwidth
                with their policies that could or could not fit your
                policies.

                Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic
                locally (e.g.
                Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but
                for sure you have to
                work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic.
                The nice thing, in
                that case, is that you will be more aware of what
                your users are doing
                and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story
                is that you have
                to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the
                hardware, many are
                using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik
                models.

                For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a
                lot :)

                Just my 2 cents



                > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved
                to Exinda for
                > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth
                managers altogether
                > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS
                policies on core routers
                > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow.
                >
                > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in
                infrastructure
                > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth
                management devices.
                >
                > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
                
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
                <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
                > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig
                > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM
                > *To:* WISPA General List
                > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
                >
                > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they
                have a product and a
                > library available. Have contacted them for
                additional information.
                >
                >
                
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                >
                > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net
                <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net
                <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>)
                > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
                > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>–
                Sheboygan/Plymouth area
                > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>– Other
                areas, toll-free
                >
                >
                
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                >
                > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com
                <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com><mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
                <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>>
                > *To: *wireless@wispa.org
                <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org
                <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
                > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM
                > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
                >
                > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine
                >
                > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
                > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
                <http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com>
                >
                > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
                >
                >     We have done some searching in this arena and
                have only found a
                >     couple of what seem to be similar products
                available:
                >
                >     Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot,
                costs a lot so
                >     they live up to their name :) )
                >
                >     Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it
                >
                >     NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured
                as Procera / Allot
                >
                >     Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of
                their boxes, would
                >     not EVER use again not because of the software
                / hardware but the
                >     owner / lead developer which may have changed
                as it was a long
                >     time ago we used this
                >
                >     Overall it seemed Procera was the best
                solution, just having a
                >     difficult time justifying the expense as well.
                I say we all throw
                >     in $5K, hire some developers and get one made
                that we have control
                >     over :) I have to believe some decent server
                quality hardware
                >     running on an open source operating system with
                custom code could
                >     fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on
                this myself.
                >
                >
                 
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                >
                >     Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net
                <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net
                <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>)
                >     Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
                > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>–
                Sheboygan/Plymouth area
                > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>– Other
                areas, toll-free
                >
                >
                 
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                >
                >     *From: *"Dave Barker"
                <d...@broadlincwireless.com
                <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>>
                >     <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com
                <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>>
                >     *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org
                <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
                >     <mailto:wireless@wispa.org
                <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
                >     *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM
                >     *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
                >
                >     Back to the original question, is there
                anything else out there
                >     that does what Procera can do?
                >
                >
                >     On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens
                <asteph...@ptera.com <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>
                >     <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com
                <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>>> wrote:
                >
                >         I can not speak for sales since we bought
                our Procera through
                >         Powercode - but tech support has be very
                responsive using
                >         their web based support system.
                >
                >         --
                >
                >         Arthur Stephens
                >
                >         Senior Networking Technician
                >
                >         Ptera Inc.
                >
                >         PO Box 135
                >
                >         24001 E Mission Suite 50
                >
                >         Liberty Lake, WA 99019
                >
                > 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837>
                >
                > ptera.com <http://ptera.com><http://ptera.com>
                >
                > facebook.com/PteraInc
                <http://facebook.com/PteraInc><http://facebook.com/PteraInc>
                |
                > twitter.com/Ptera
                <http://twitter.com/Ptera><http://twitter.com/Ptera>
                >
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                >         On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith
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                >  <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com
                <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>> wrote:
                >
                >             So the last booth I visited at Wispa in
                Vegas was the
                >  Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more,
                but at
                >             $17k a pop it’s a little hard to
                swallow, as I would need
                >             to purchase 4 of them for my current
                locations that I
                >  serve. Are there any other solution I can look for
                to do
                >  similar functions that may be more cost effective?
                >
                >             __
                >
                >             _I am also a little leery at the fact
                that I have left
                >             them 2 voice mail messages as well as
                sent an email from
                >  earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a
                concern
                >             if it takes a while to get sales
                support if tech support
                >             would be any different. So I was
                wanting some feed back
                >             from some actual users of their product
                or other similar
                >  products._
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