It is a completely different solution. There would be no caching, it's all shaping or filtering. For example, what we do is, during peak hours, no software updates or backup systems (like Dropbox, Carbonite, etc) can use more than 128Kbps per customer. Outside peak hours, we let them run wild.

A caching server wouldn't do us any good unless we put one at each tower. Our upstream is not the problem.

On 10/30/2014 11:51 PM, Tim Way wrote:
I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication?

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that
    Procera can do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are
    running a low cost low overhead Apple update caching server you
    could very easily do this without an expensive Procera box.

    PC
    Blaze Broadband


    On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Quick question,

        Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic
        shaping and DPI devices to something that does caching for
        apple stuff? Those are two entirely different classes of products.

        Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
        SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

        On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

        It can work on networks not behind a NAT.

        http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573

        Chris Wright

        Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

        *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
        *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
        *To:* WISPA General List
        *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

        Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.



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        *From: *"Chris Wright" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
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        Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per
        http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/

        “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides
        it’s public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name?
        (not sure of the dns)”

        Chris Wright

        Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

        *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]
        *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
        *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM
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        I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have
        one of these caches running.



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        *From: *"Chris Wright" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM
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        OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can
        virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by
        Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.)

        Chris Wright

        Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

        *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]
        *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin
        *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM
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        *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

        Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does
        Apple put one of these in?

        PC
        Blaze Broadband

        On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            I don't think many people care about caching servers in
            this regard.  The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling
            up, it's all the APs.


            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                For those that are unaware of it you should take a
                look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool,
                it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content
                and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is
                transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source
                IP of the device asking for content and tells it to
                hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job
                is a Network Administrator at a technical college.
                This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they
                release updates in regards to our open (public)
                wireless network.

                Tim Way

                On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
                <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Hello,

                    it depends on what you want/can achieve and how
                    much bandwidth you have
                    (and the experince you want to give to the users)

                    In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth
                    they (all) try to
                    improve how you manage it. So those boxes are
                    managing the bandwidth
                    with their policies that could or could not fit
                    your policies.

                    Some simple tricks will help you to move the
                    traffic locally (e.g.
                    Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc)
                    but for sure you have to
                    work on the infrastructure to optimize the
                    traffic. The nice thing, in
                    that case, is that you will be more aware of what
                    your users are doing
                    and how to make them happy; the bad part of the
                    story is that you have
                    to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the
                    hardware, many are
                    using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper
                    Mikrotik models.

                    For sure investing more in infrastructure will
                    help a lot :)

                    Just my 2 cents



                    > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then
                    moved to Exinda for
                    > years, we are now considering removing
                    bandwidth managers altogether
                    > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS
                    policies on core routers
                    > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using
                    Netflow.
                    >
                    > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to
                    invest in infrastructure
                    > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth
                    management devices.
                    >
                    > *From:*[email protected]
                    
<mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>]
                    > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig
                    > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM
                    > *To:* WISPA General List
                    > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
                    >
                    > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems
                    they have a product and a
                    > library available. Have contacted them for
                    additional information.
                    >
                    >
                    
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                    > Larry A. Weidig ([email protected]
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                    > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>>
                    > *To: *[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM
                    > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
                    >
                    > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine
                    >
                    > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
                    > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
                    <http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com>
                    >
                    > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
                    >
                    >     We have done some searching in this arena
                    and have only found a
                    >  couple of what seem to be similar products
                    available:
                    >
                    >     Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a
                    lot, costs a lot so
                    >     they live up to their name :) )
                    >
                    >  Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it
                    >
                    >  NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured
                    as Procera / Allot
                    >
                    >  Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of
                    their boxes, would
                    >     not EVER use again not because of the
                    software / hardware but the
                    >     owner / lead developer which may have
                    changed as it was a long
                    >     time ago we used this
                    >
                    >  Overall it seemed Procera was the best
                    solution, just having a
                    >  difficult time justifying the expense as well.
                    I say we all throw
                    >     in $5K, hire some developers and get one
                    made that we have control
                    >     over :) I have to believe some decent
                    server quality hardware
                    >  running on an open source operating system
                    with custom code could
                    >     fit the bill. Just don't have time to work
                    on this myself.
                    >
                    >
                     
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                    >     Larry A. Weidig ([email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>)
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                    > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>–
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                    > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>–
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                    >  *From: *"Dave Barker"
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                    >  <mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    >     *To: *"WISPA General List"
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                    >  *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM
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                    >
                    >     Back to the original question, is there
                    anything else out there
                    >     that does what Procera can do?
                    >
                    >
                    >     On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    >  <mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
                    >
                    >         I can not speak for sales since we
                    bought our Procera through
                    >  Powercode - but tech support has be very
                    responsive using
                    >  their web based support system.
                    >
                    >  --
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                    >
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                    >
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                    >
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                    >
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                    >
                    > 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837>
                    >
                    > ptera.com <http://ptera.com><http://ptera.com>
                    >
                    > facebook.com/PteraInc
                    <http://facebook.com/PteraInc><http://facebook.com/PteraInc>
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                    >    So the last booth I visited at Wispa in
                    Vegas was the
                    >    Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn
                    more, but at
                    >    $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as
                    I would need
                    >    to purchase 4 of them for my current
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                    >    serve. Are there any other solution I can
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                    >
                    >    __
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                    >    _I am also a little leery at the fact that I
                    have left
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                    that’s a concern
                    >    if it takes a while to get sales support if
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                    some feed back
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                    other similar
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