I don't know, but I am interested in devices that could cache Windows update and Apple updates... But it HAS to be transparent to the end users.

I'd be willing to dedicate hardware and disk space to this iOS and Windows update can often cause major traffic loads...

And, if these updates were stored on a local server at my head end, I'd be able to unrestrict traffic to them... making updates run faster... looking better in the eyes of my clients...

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On 10/30/2014 5:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Quick question,

Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two entirely different classes of products.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

It can work on networks not behind a NAT.

http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
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Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.



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Disregard my "AFAIK" answer. This is the real answer per http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/

"The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it's public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)"

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>

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I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running.



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OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won't be supported by Apple unless it's Apple hardware.)

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Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in?

PC
Blaze Broadband

On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

    I don't think many people care about caching servers in this
    regard.  The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all
    the APs.


    Josh Luthman
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    On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc
    <mailto:t...@way.lc>> wrote:

        For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at
        Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides
        Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything
        Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client.
        Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content
        and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My
        day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college.
        This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release
        updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network.

        Tim Way

        On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
        <paolo.difrance...@level7.it
        <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

            Hello,

            it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much
            bandwidth you have
            (and the experince you want to give to the users)

            In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they
            (all) try to
            improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing
            the bandwidth
            with their policies that could or could not fit your
            policies.

            Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic
            locally (e.g.
            Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for
            sure you have to
            work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The
            nice thing, in
            that case, is that you will be more aware of what your
            users are doing
            and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is
            that you have
            to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the
            hardware, many are
            using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models.

            For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :)

            Just my 2 cents



            > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to
            Exinda for
            > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth
            managers altogether
            > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies
            on core routers
            > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow.
            >
            > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in
            infrastructure
            > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth
            management devices.
            >
            > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
            
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
            <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
            > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig
            > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM
            > *To:* WISPA General List
            > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
            >
            > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have
            a product and a
            > library available. Have contacted them for additional
            information.
            >
            >
            
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            >
            > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net
            <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net
            <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>)
            > Excel.Net, Inc. -- http://www.excel.net/
            > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>--
            Sheboygan/Plymouth area
            > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>-- Other
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            >
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            >
            > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com
            <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com><mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
            <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>>
            > *To: *wireless@wispa.org
            <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org
            <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
            > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM
            > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
            >
            > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine
            >
            > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
            > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
            <http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com>
            >
            > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
            >
            >     We have done some searching in this arena and have
            only found a
            >     couple of what seem to be similar products available:
            >
            >     Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot,
            costs a lot so
            >     they live up to their name :) )
            >
            >     Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it
            >
            >     NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as
            Procera / Allot
            >
            >     Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of
            their boxes, would
            >     not EVER use again not because of the software /
            hardware but the
            >     owner / lead developer which may have changed as it
            was a long
            >     time ago we used this
            >
            >     Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution,
            just having a
            >     difficult time justifying the expense as well. I
            say we all throw
            >     in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that
            we have control
            >     over :) I have to believe some decent server
            quality hardware
            >     running on an open source operating system with
            custom code could
            >     fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this
            myself.
            >
            >
             
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            >     Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net
            <mailto:lwei...@excel.net><mailto:lwei...@excel.net
            <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>>)
            >     Excel.Net, Inc. -- http://www.excel.net/
            > (920) 452-0455 <tel:%28920%29%20452-0455>--
            Sheboygan/Plymouth area
            > (888) 489-9995 <tel:%28888%29%20489-9995>-- Other
            areas, toll-free
            >
            >
             
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            >     *From: *"Dave Barker" <d...@broadlincwireless.com
            <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>>
            >     <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com
            <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com>>
            >     *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org
            <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
            >     <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
            >     *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM
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            >
            >     Back to the original question, is there anything
            else out there
            >     that does what Procera can do?
            >
            >
            >     On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens
            <asteph...@ptera.com <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>
            >     <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com
            <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>>> wrote:
            >
            >         I can not speak for sales since we bought our
            Procera through
            >         Powercode - but tech support has be very
            responsive using
            >         their web based support system.
            >
            >         --
            >
            >         Arthur Stephens
            >
            >         Senior Networking Technician
            >
            >         Ptera Inc.
            >
            >         PO Box 135
            >
            >         24001 E Mission Suite 50
            >
            >         Liberty Lake, WA 99019
            >
            > 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837>
            >
            > ptera.com <http://ptera.com><http://ptera.com>
            >
            > facebook.com/PteraInc
            <http://facebook.com/PteraInc><http://facebook.com/PteraInc>
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            > twitter.com/Ptera
            <http://twitter.com/Ptera><http://twitter.com/Ptera>
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            >         On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith
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            >         <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com
            <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>> wrote:
            >
            >             So the last booth I visited at Wispa in
            Vegas was the
            >             Procera booth. I am hooked and want to
            learn more, but at
            >             $17k a pop it's a little hard to swallow,
            as I would need
            >             to purchase 4 of them for my current
            locations that I
            >             serve. Are there any other solution I can
            look for to do
            >             similar functions that may be more cost
            effective?
            >
            >             __
            >
            >             _I am also a little leery at the fact that
            I have left
            >             them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent
            an email from
            >             earlier this week with no return call. So
            that's a concern
            >             if it takes a while to get sales support if
            tech support
            >             would be any different. So I was wanting
            some feed back
            >             from some actual users of their product or
            other similar
            >  products._
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