Thanks Robert, Yes, I'm also checking out Konqueror on Kubuntu Linux for the KHTML engine, as my fallback for not having Safari available.
There is no end to testing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:59 AM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > > For the most part, just testing with firefox, as a windows > developer, > will help alot, but like all the other browsers, Safari has a few > things unique to it. Also, another option, but still not 100%, the > safari renderer is open source, it is based off of the KHTML engine, > and Apple does commit changes back to the project. Before I got the > mini for my first dev, and set one up for him, I had him run Fedora > in a VM, and check the site with Konqueror. And it did catch most of > the issues that came up with safari, but not all. > > As a mac user, I think we would all wish that every site was tested > with Safari, but at the very least being compatible with FF > is a step > in the right direction, cuz mac users are used to having to > use FF on > some sites. And to date, I have never seen an issue with something > working on FF win, and not FF mac. > > This is why I mentioned in a previous thread, I have found that when > doing cross browser development, FF, is the best default browser to > test with, it is kinda "between" IE and Safari, or at least it feels > that way for me. > > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ > > On May 29, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > > > Thank you Steve, > > > > I appreciate your words. > > > > Actually I've wanted to do this for years, but the demand just > > wasn't there, considering I have in the past spent most of my time > > building intranet-style business applications. I have yet to > > encounter a large corporation that uses Mac workstations. > > > > But now I'm working on a very large public-facing system that > > happens to have a fair contingent of Mac users. > > > > For the past couple years I regularly test with Mozilla-based > > browsers i.e., Firefox, which I understand renders consistently on > > Mac as it does on Windows. > > > > It's that d*** Safari that's the problem ;-) > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:14 AM > >> To: witango-talk@witango.com > >> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > >> > >> Well as long as you are testing with Mac OS which of course > >> was the original point of this thread. I'm sure the other Mac > >> users would agree, we absolutely hate those Windows > >> developers that are so narrow minded as to only test with the > >> latest and greatest and expect everyone else to spend as much > >> time keeping things up-to-date. > >> > >> I hope that many more Windows developers take your approach > >> and treat the other platforms with respect. > >> > >> As a Mac user... > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> > >> Steve Smith > >> > >> Oakbridge Information Solutions > >> Oakville Office: (416) 628-0793 > >> Cambridge Office: (519) 489-0142 > >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Web: www.oakbridge.ca <http://www.oakbridge.ca/> > >> > >> Certified DayLite <http://www.oakbridge.ca/daylite.tml> > >> Premier Partners > >> > >> > >> On 27-May-06, at 6:13 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Stephen, > >> > >> I used to think the same thing about Virtual Machines, > >> but I've been using VMWare now nearly everyday for over 3 > >> years now - and I've never encountered a visual or function > >> difference in how a Virtual Machine performs over real hardware. > >> > >> There is a slight performance decrease of course, when > >> compared to the host Operating System, and full-motion video > >> will struggle a little, but it's no less different than > >> running on a real machine with slightly lower hardware specs > >> than the host machine. > >> > >> I even spent two years doing a huge development project > >> with Visual Studio, SQL Server 2000 and Crystal Report where > >> the whole works was hosted inside a Windows 2000 Advanced > >> Server running as a Virtual Machine. Never had a problem. > >> > >> I can boot all versions of Windows, and a wide matrix > >> of browsers for testing. I even have Ubuntu Linux running for > >> testing some real crap browsers. > >> > >> And as I type, I happen to be installing Windows Vista > >> Beta2 - on the same machine. > >> > >> Ain't software fun? > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:28 PM > >> To: witango-talk@witango.com > >> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > >> > >> I'm not sure what form of testing you are > >> hoping for but if > >> is to test an application that will eventually > >> be viewed on a > >> Mac, then using any form of VM is not the way > >> to go. I don't > >> trust VM for true testing of an end user's experience. > >> > >> Also look into the cost of OS X on it's own vs. > >> the cost of a > >> Mini. According to the Apple Canada web site: > >> > >> > >> Mac Mini $699 in the base configuration which > >> includes OS X > >> Mac OS X $149 for single user > >> > >> $550 might seem like a lot but I believe that > >> it will be well > >> worth the investment. Especially if you run > >> Boot Camp on it > >> which will allow it to run as an extra Windows machine. > >> > >> Just my 2 cents (which hey, is almost worth 2 > >> cents US!!!) > >> > >> Steve Smith > >> > >> Oakbridge Information Solutions > >> Oakville Office: (416) 628-0793 > >> Cambridge Office: (519) 489-0142 > >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Web: www.oakbridge.ca <http://www.oakbridge.ca/> > >> > >> Certified DayLite > >> <http://www.oakbridge.ca/daylite.tml> > >> Premier Partners > >> > >> > >> On 26-May-06, at 9:27 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >> > >> > >> For those of you in the know, > >> > >> I am considering an attempt to install Mac OS X as a > >> VMWare virtual machine, as a test environment > >> for my apps > >> with Safari and other Mac-based browsers. There > >> are several > >> unofficial instructions on how to do this, with > >> a bit of searching. > >> > >> My question is: Does the latest version of OS X > >> automatically support Intel, or do I need a > >> special version? > >> > >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/ > >> > >> When I click on the link to buy, the hardware > >> requirements simply says "PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 > >> processor". > >> > >> Any insight would be helpful, thanks. > >> > >> Scott Cadillac, > >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://scott.cadillac.bz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> __________ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> __________ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> __________ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> __________ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ________ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
