OK Phil, thanks for your thoughtful insights. We look forward to your contributions.
                -- Joe, K1JT

On 2/27/2018 9:16 AM, Phil Frost wrote:
I see is a suggestion, complete with proffered solution as requested.

The implementation may not be complete but you can acknowledge the solution, letting developers reading this list know that patch would be appreciated and accepted. This is what it means to be welcoming.

Who knows, someone might even feel empowered to become a core contributor.

Or, you can write "I don't see a problem", and blame the issue on user ignorance. You can insist the design makes sense, contrary to the feedback. You can observe talk is cheap, and complain about how few core contributors you have, and opine cross-platform interfaces are hard. Having established your audience is lazy, ignorant, and unappreciative, and the problem (wait, there wasn't a problem?) technically intractable, you can mask your vitriol with "patches welcome".

You're right, talk is cheap, code is hard. So tell me, why should I invest my valuable time helping you?

You want more developer contributions? As you say, it's easy to complain.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 18:48 Joe Taylor <j...@princeton.edu <mailto:j...@princeton.edu>> wrote:

    Hi Phil,

    On 2/26/2018 5:44 PM, Phil Frost wrote:
     > The lack of contributors to the UI should not be surprising. With
    such
     > dismissiveness and opposition to change, who's going take the time to
     > implement a patch only to endure belittlement and rejection?


    I don't think anyone here has been dismissive or opposed to change.
    Quite the contrary.  As Bill wrote: the project is open source, anyone
    can submit patches, and many patches get accepted.

    Do keep in mind that we try to maintain platform independence.  Making a
    GUI look good (and behave intuitively) on one platform is not always
    good enough.  Making it good for one mode, say FT8, may not be good
    enough.

    Simply asking for somebody else to "do something about it", whatever
    "it" may be, will usually be assigned a much lower priority than
    evaluating a proffered solution to a perceived problem.

          -- Joe, K1JT

    
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