RE: eCo Framework

[A. Malik]

Title: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!

I answered my own question.

 

http://eco.commerce.net/

 

--Adam--

-----Original Message-----
From: David Irvine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:40 PM
To: 'A. Malik'; The XML/EDI Group
Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!

Ditto

Dave Irvine
Systems Analyst, EIS
EDI Coordinator
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-----Original Message-----
From:   A. Malik [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:23 AM
To:     The XML/EDI Group
Subject:        RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!

>Meanwhile give me eCo Framework, or anything else, thats free.

Where would I go to find out more about this framework?
Any help is appreciated.

--Adam--

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Boyle
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:50 AM
To: The XML/EDI Group
Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!




Hello David,

The Ziff Davis article you referred to appears more favorable
towards MS BizTalk Server than some other sources; for example
ZD said nobody else has an XML server except maybe Bluestone.
ZD says the real competition for BizTalk Server is ad-hoc XML
implementations, raising fears of incompatibility (I guess we
all better buy MS' server, to make sure the internet works.)

Anyway, the stories are both about the delay.  ZD quotes MS
execs who say they're just "taking time to do it right".
But Bloor Research on www.silicon.com Jan 31, says

"The reason (for the delay)... is the competition is already
ahead of the game. According to recent reports, the missing
link is the connection with business processes. This is the ability to
link the communications required between organisations with the
higher-level business logic, for example ordering a product or
handling a customer request.

Products from HP and Vitria, for example, already support such a
linkage. But as yet Microsoft has no such facility. Microsoft insiders
claim that BizTalk is changing to take this into account - but that
could give the competition quite a lead."

IMO the Biztalk Server thing makes a lot of sense on the surface but
if anybody else besides Microsoft sold it, nobody would listen.
We would continue the original philosophy which was waiting for agreement
to emerge democratically and naturally. 

The existence of BizTalk envelope itself is a trojan.  Unless you
spend your whole life scheming and planning software, you can never
win a chessgame with Microsoft.  All you can do is not play. 

The accountable exchange of business docs deserves a whole new
standard along the lines of SMTP.  Look at all that crap in the
IP "Well known ports".  Can't we get our XML protocol in there?
http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~triemer/network/docservs.html

Meanwhile give me eCo Framework, or anything else, thats free.

-Todd   http://www.gldialtone.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ... David RR Webber
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM
> To: The XML/EDI Group
> Subject: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>
> http://news.excite.com/news/zd/000123/21/biztalk-all
>
> Great snap shot - seems actually that the technical side of
> Microsoft is ahead of the marketing / product people -
>
> Question - who do we sell this to, why, and for what price, and
> then who is going to support it with 24x7 service?
>
> Answering those little babies puts you a lot closer to a ship-by-date...
>
> DW.




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