Emad, et al....
You're right - few organizations have connected both OO and standardization.
One that has - and which began this effort several years ago - is the
Techniques & Methodology Work Group under the UN/CEFACT. Much work has
already been done is this arena and there are many papers available from
CEFACT's web site that will inform interested parties of the progress that
has been made and the direction the standards effort is heading.
Rachel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emad N. Georgy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 2:21 AM
> To: Dick Brooks (E); Rachel Foerster; 'The XML/EDI Group'
> Subject: Re: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>
>
> Speaking of implementation, OAG has widely been implemented at several
> sites. The standard is well documented, has international support, and
> approaches standardization in an object-oriented fashion (few
> organizations
> connect the two concepts -- standardization and OO).
>
> Emad N. Georgy 310.727.0679 - Office
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> Senior Consultant
> Explere.com - "I-Fulfillment Integration Services"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dick Brooks (E) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Rachel Foerster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'The XML/EDI Group'
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>
>
> > I agree with Rachel, ebXML is the best prospect for a
> unbiased (vendor
> > neutral), cross industry standard for business-to-business commerce,
> that's
> > implementable by small to large sized companies.
> >
> > Dick Brooks
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rachel
> > Foerster
> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:38 PM
> > To: 'The XML/EDI Group'
> > Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
> >
> >
> > I recommend a visit the ebXML Initiative web site at
> > http://www.ebxml.org where you can learn more bout this
> initiative. It's a
> > very important joint effort of OASIS and UN/CEFACT. Much
> work is being
> done
> > this week in Orlando during the second meeting of the ebxml
> participants
> > towards specifying a technical framework for the consistent
> and uniform
> use
> > of XML globally.
> >
> > New information regarding progress, deliverables, and so on
> will be posted
> > to the ebXML web site regularly to keep all interested
> parties informed.
> >
> > Rachel
> > ebXML Marketing, Awareness & Education Co-Project Team Lead
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello David,
> >
> > The Ziff Davis article you referred to appears more favorable
> > towards MS BizTalk Server than some other sources; for example
> > ZD said nobody else has an XML server except maybe Bluestone.
> > ZD says the real competition for BizTalk Server is ad-hoc XML
> > implementations, raising fears of incompatibility (I guess we
> > all better buy MS' server, to make sure the internet works.)
> >
> > Anyway, the stories are both about the delay. ZD quotes MS
> > execs who say they're just "taking time to do it right".
> > But Bloor Research on www.silicon.com Jan 31, says
> >
> > "The reason (for the delay)... is the competition is already
> > ahead of the game. According to recent reports, the missing
> > link is the connection with business processes. This is the
> ability to
> > link the communications required between organisations with the
> > higher-level business logic, for example ordering a product or
> > handling a customer request.
> >
> > Products from HP and Vitria, for example, already support such a
> > linkage. But as yet Microsoft has no such facility.
> Microsoft insiders
> > claim that BizTalk is changing to take this into account - but that
> > could give the competition quite a lead."
> >
> > IMO the Biztalk Server thing makes a lot of sense on the surface but
> > if anybody else besides Microsoft sold it, nobody would listen.
> > We would continue the original philosophy which was waiting
> for agreement
> > to emerge democratically and naturally.
> >
> > The existence of BizTalk envelope itself is a trojan. Unless you
> > spend your whole life scheming and planning software, you can never
> > win a chessgame with Microsoft. All you can do is not play.
> >
> > The accountable exchange of business docs deserves a whole new
> > standard along the lines of SMTP. Look at all that crap in the
> > IP "Well known ports". Can't we get our XML protocol in there?
> > http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~triemer/network/docservs.html
> >
> > Meanwhile give me eCo Framework, or anything else, thats free.
> >
> > -Todd http://www.gldialtone.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ... David RR Webber
> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM
> > > To: The XML/EDI Group
> > > Subject: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
> > >
> > > http://news.excite.com/news/zd/000123/21/biztalk-all
> > >
> > > Great snap shot - seems actually that the technical side of
> > > Microsoft is ahead of the marketing / product people -
> > >
> > > Question - who do we sell this to, why, and for what price, and
> > > then who is going to support it with 24x7 service?
> > >
> > > Answering those little babies puts you a lot closer to a
> ship-by-date...
> > >
> > > DW.
> >
> >
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