I recommend a visit the ebXML Initiative web site at
http://www.ebxml.org where you can learn more bout this initiative. It's a
very important joint effort of OASIS and UN/CEFACT. Much work is being done
this week in Orlando during the second meeting of the ebxml participants
towards specifying a technical framework for the consistent and uniform use
of XML globally.

New information regarding progress, deliverables, and so on will be posted
to the ebXML web site regularly to keep all interested parties informed.

Rachel
ebXML Marketing, Awareness & Education Co-Project Team Lead




Hello David, 

The Ziff Davis article you referred to appears more favorable
towards MS BizTalk Server than some other sources; for example 
ZD said nobody else has an XML server except maybe Bluestone.
ZD says the real competition for BizTalk Server is ad-hoc XML 
implementations, raising fears of incompatibility (I guess we
all better buy MS' server, to make sure the internet works.)

Anyway, the stories are both about the delay.  ZD quotes MS 
execs who say they're just "taking time to do it right".
But Bloor Research on www.silicon.com Jan 31, says

"The reason (for the delay)... is the competition is already 
ahead of the game. According to recent reports, the missing 
link is the connection with business processes. This is the ability to 
link the communications required between organisations with the 
higher-level business logic, for example ordering a product or 
handling a customer request.

Products from HP and Vitria, for example, already support such a 
linkage. But as yet Microsoft has no such facility. Microsoft insiders 
claim that BizTalk is changing to take this into account - but that 
could give the competition quite a lead."

IMO the Biztalk Server thing makes a lot of sense on the surface but
if anybody else besides Microsoft sold it, nobody would listen. 
We would continue the original philosophy which was waiting for agreement
to emerge democratically and naturally.  

The existence of BizTalk envelope itself is a trojan.  Unless you 
spend your whole life scheming and planning software, you can never
win a chessgame with Microsoft.  All you can do is not play.  

The accountable exchange of business docs deserves a whole new 
standard along the lines of SMTP.  Look at all that crap in the
IP "Well known ports".  Can't we get our XML protocol in there? 
http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~triemer/network/docservs.html

Meanwhile give me eCo Framework, or anything else, thats free.

-Todd   http://www.gldialtone.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ... David RR Webber
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM
> To: The XML/EDI Group
> Subject: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
> 
> http://news.excite.com/news/zd/000123/21/biztalk-all
> 
> Great snap shot - seems actually that the technical side of
> Microsoft is ahead of the marketing / product people - 
> 
> Question - who do we sell this to, why, and for what price, and 
> then who is going to support it with 24x7 service?
> 
> Answering those little babies puts you a lot closer to a ship-by-date...
> 
> DW.


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