Just caught up w/this thread and thought that while you are critique-ing
BizTalk/eCo/XML.org articles, you might look at:
http://www.xml.com/pub/2000/01/26/feature/index.html
Makes me a bit nervous that both XML.org *and* Microsoft liked it.
Liora
At 03:04 PM 2/5/00 -0600, Rachel Foerster wrote:
>Emad, et al....
>
>You're right - few organizations have connected both OO and standardization.
>One that has - and which began this effort several years ago - is the
>Techniques & Methodology Work Group under the UN/CEFACT. Much work has
>already been done is this arena and there are many papers available from
>CEFACT's web site that will inform interested parties of the progress that
>has been made and the direction the standards effort is heading.
>
>Rachel
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Emad N. Georgy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 2:21 AM
>> To: Dick Brooks (E); Rachel Foerster; 'The XML/EDI Group'
>> Subject: Re: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>>
>>
>> Speaking of implementation, OAG has widely been implemented at several
>> sites. The standard is well documented, has international support, and
>> approaches standardization in an object-oriented fashion (few
>> organizations
>> connect the two concepts -- standardization and OO).
>>
>> Emad N. Georgy 310.727.0679 - Office
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Senior Consultant
>> Explere.com - "I-Fulfillment Integration Services"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dick Brooks (E) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Rachel Foerster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'The XML/EDI Group'
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>>
>>
>> > I agree with Rachel, ebXML is the best prospect for a
>> unbiased (vendor
>> > neutral), cross industry standard for business-to-business commerce,
>> that's
>> > implementable by small to large sized companies.
>> >
>> > Dick Brooks
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rachel
>> > Foerster
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:38 PM
>> > To: 'The XML/EDI Group'
>> > Subject: RE: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>> >
>> >
>> > I recommend a visit the ebXML Initiative web site at
>> > http://www.ebxml.org where you can learn more bout this
>> initiative. It's a
>> > very important joint effort of OASIS and UN/CEFACT. Much
>> work is being
>> done
>> > this week in Orlando during the second meeting of the ebxml
>> participants
>> > towards specifying a technical framework for the consistent
>> and uniform
>> use
>> > of XML globally.
>> >
>> > New information regarding progress, deliverables, and so on
>> will be posted
>> > to the ebXML web site regularly to keep all interested
>> parties informed.
>> >
>> > Rachel
>> > ebXML Marketing, Awareness & Education Co-Project Team Lead
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello David,
>> >
>> > The Ziff Davis article you referred to appears more favorable
>> > towards MS BizTalk Server than some other sources; for example
>> > ZD said nobody else has an XML server except maybe Bluestone.
>> > ZD says the real competition for BizTalk Server is ad-hoc XML
>> > implementations, raising fears of incompatibility (I guess we
>> > all better buy MS' server, to make sure the internet works.)
>> >
>> > Anyway, the stories are both about the delay. ZD quotes MS
>> > execs who say they're just "taking time to do it right".
>> > But Bloor Research on www.silicon.com Jan 31, says
>> >
>> > "The reason (for the delay)... is the competition is already
>> > ahead of the game. According to recent reports, the missing
>> > link is the connection with business processes. This is the
>> ability to
>> > link the communications required between organisations with the
>> > higher-level business logic, for example ordering a product or
>> > handling a customer request.
>> >
>> > Products from HP and Vitria, for example, already support such a
>> > linkage. But as yet Microsoft has no such facility.
>> Microsoft insiders
>> > claim that BizTalk is changing to take this into account - but that
>> > could give the competition quite a lead."
>> >
>> > IMO the Biztalk Server thing makes a lot of sense on the surface but
>> > if anybody else besides Microsoft sold it, nobody would listen.
>> > We would continue the original philosophy which was waiting
>> for agreement
>> > to emerge democratically and naturally.
>> >
>> > The existence of BizTalk envelope itself is a trojan. Unless you
>> > spend your whole life scheming and planning software, you can never
>> > win a chessgame with Microsoft. All you can do is not play.
>> >
>> > The accountable exchange of business docs deserves a whole new
>> > standard along the lines of SMTP. Look at all that crap in the
>> > IP "Well known ports". Can't we get our XML protocol in there?
>> > http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~triemer/network/docservs.html
>> >
>> > Meanwhile give me eCo Framework, or anything else, thats free.
>> >
>> > -Todd http://www.gldialtone.com
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: ... David RR Webber
>> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM
>> > > To: The XML/EDI Group
>> > > Subject: Biztalk - Everyone loves marketing!
>> > >
>> > > http://news.excite.com/news/zd/000123/21/biztalk-all
>> > >
>> > > Great snap shot - seems actually that the technical side of
>> > > Microsoft is ahead of the marketing / product people -
>> > >
>> > > Question - who do we sell this to, why, and for what price, and
>> > > then who is going to support it with 24x7 service?
>> > >
>> > > Answering those little babies puts you a lot closer to a
>> ship-by-date...
>> > >
>> > > DW.
>> >
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