Sgidi,
I censor spam. You are spamming this group. Bye-bye Sgidi. You're banned. VC From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sgidi Mosala Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Cde Lazola, I think U are dead wrong. Julias does not have both practical and theoritical capacity to lead the revolutionary Youth Movement. If he has the said capacity ! Where is the program of the ANCYL, Provinces are dying a natural death. The only thing preoccupying his mind is how to symphone Lembede Investment Arm resources. I am utterly dissapointed in all of those who allege that this boy can lead. He is just like a child who make noise to draw the attention of the parents, irrespective of the timing. I don't hate him I despise his unpolitical and antirevolutionary conduct. _____ From: "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cakwebe, Ronnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bobani, Lindile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Yoliswa Memela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jikeka, Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack, Thumeka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Katshu, Zamekile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Vusumzi Ketelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:19:32 PM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results I wonder who in the history of the movement did apply or produced his qualifications in order for him to be elected in to a leadership position?Anyway even if there is one who did so for arguement sake who will be responsible for shortlisting.Cdes in this movement we accept anyone who has the potential to lead not only in theory but also in practice as this young lion is doing Malema will lead the ANCYL as long as he is still carrying the mandate if young people of this country.All what is doing or saying on the content is the mandate we gave him on the 23rd conference it has nothing to do with his matric result.I wonder how many sport celebrity who obtained scholarship abroad based on their sporting perfomance than their academics some now are the adminstrators of sport structures so why there is noise on this young politician.Viva _____ From: Madlavu, Simphiwe Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:08 AM To: Cakwebe, Ronnie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Bobani, Lindile; Yoliswa Memela; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mantla, Mzwabantu; Jikeka, Wandisile; Jack, Thumeka; Blouw, Zitulele; Katshu, Zamekile; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Vusumzi Ketelo; Ndlazilwana, Lazola; [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Com you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly mantained, that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called fundi's. Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue of certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody even if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate. The point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you wrestle with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves the respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader of one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know that as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if we are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to be the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has been hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in. phambili Malema phambili!!! _____ From: Cakwebe, Ronnie Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO KE PHOFU _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sabelo gina Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Comrade Mondli, I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point. Comradely, Cedric Gina. On 10/24/08, Mondli Hlatshwayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi comrades I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius Malema's fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made by Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing the interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another day. On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists and activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois elements, the analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of the struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a pinch of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve the interest of the apartheid capitalist system. Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of struggle. Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but individual qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a popular pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you will notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they performed better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than those who had university qualification. The struggle was their school. In fact, their education was what we call popular education which was based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic intellectuals. A number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on. In fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and academics. These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation of the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these comrades education. . Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty bourgeois elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation, certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those who have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working class children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the middle class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education because they have all the material support from their parents. Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching incident in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a meeting there. There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is probably three years old but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were to compare that with middle class and upper class kids, what do you get? The kids from better family backgrounds at that age are starting to read and write. They even speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers. Now we can see right from the beginning that this working class kid is unlikely to compete with the kids of the middle classes. I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric results. Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never matriculated? I think that would be reactionary and backward on my part. I have to confess that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks much better than the certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements. Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working class Mondli Hlatshwayo 0843773003 Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. 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