Comrade Patro,
1.You are raising vital question affecting the ANCYL and the programmes
it should undertook, but sadly
you attribute all the failures or challenges facing the ANCYL to only
one man (Julius Malema).The ANCYL belong to us, not JM.
2. Comrade Patro, what has your branch done in engaging the ANCYL
leadership in addressing the resolutions that were passed in Mangaung.
It is those resolutions that the current ANCYL will be held accountable.
I know for a fact that the ANCYL leadership have been busy implementing
those resolutions, sadly the media choose not to cover those events. We
will never know about the ANCYL programmes, unless were make a concerted
effort to know about those programmes and most importantly be involved
in those programmes. It does not help if we reduce ourselves to
armchair critics of JM in this forum with our big english words, while
we are not even attending branch meetings or not participating in the
structures of the ANCYL at all. We rely on Sunday Times and News 24 as
our source of information of the happenings within the ANCYL. What did
JM say in Witbank on the weekend, besides what has been covered by the
media?
3. I personally know the are programmes that are undertaken by the
ANCYL, that are addressing the challenges facing the youth. They might
not be enough, but lets engage the ANCYL leadership to tackle the issue
that we feel are pertinent, through our participation in structures of
the ANCYL. A leader is as good as the people he leads.
4. ANCYL is ours, where the branches are non existent, lets revive
them, surely we cannot wait for JM to do that for us. If we do not like
the way JM is addressing issues lets engage him and the ANCYL
leadership, because whether we like it or not, JM speaks on behalf of
the ANCYL, not himself
5. JM was duly elected by the branches of the ANCYL, that is a reality
we have to face, whether we like him or not. Why are you questioning
whether he is relevancy to be the Pres of the ANCYL. Is it because of
his statements that he has been raising, of which i agree some of them
were reckless , or is it because of his matric results? We cannot fault
JM for defending the ANC president and/or the ANC against the evil
forces who are hellbent to see the ANC fail. Some of us we can only
fault him on the manner he is addressing those issues, which to me does
not warrant him to be removed, but he should be reprimanded for that,
other than that even if there's the repeat of Mangaung tomorrow, i will
still vote for JM
Comrade Kodlana
>>> "Patro Modise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008/10/29 08:52 AM >>>
dear comrades
let raise this question before the forum to deliberate and debate it.
My questions are such that despite Malemas' lack of practical and
theoretical capacity to lead the revolutionary young movement can the
forum
respond to following inferences:
1. was Malema the relevant candidate for te presidency for the
ANCYL ?
2. why Malema seems to not incalcate the primary twin tasks of the
ANCYL
?
3. why is Malema not focusing on the youth development programmes
that
are aimed at bettering the lives of the young people?
4. why if Malema so passionately championed the matters regarding
the
ANC leadership why can't he also champion the matters that are
affecting
the structure he is the president of ?
5. the vibrancy of the youth has been peeled off by haulers and
leadership thats only interested lambasting when driving their
political
scores.
6. why can't Malema be vocal in fighting for the establishment of
the
youth ministry to place in the cabinet next government and purge the
establishment of youth commission, usobomvu and so the like of
institutions
that have created young elites who do not care about defending the gain
of
our revolution?
7. why can't Malema be vocal in lobby and advocacy for the youth
interest in
a broaders spectrum and champion the youth intersts.
8. why can't Malema mobilise the youth to rally behing the banner and
mission of the ANC amid the doltrums and challenges that are facing
the
movement in this juncture of political climate and mobilise the youth
to
vote for the ANC and not to become too much concerned or focused on
the
SHIKOTAS of this world
9. ANCYL branches are none functional or dead and not to mention the
provinces.
10. since the National Conference of the ANCYL where are ther
organisational
programme, what about the resolution of the conference and what about
uniting the ANCYL, there are many questions comrades.
But like I suggested let the leadersip of the ANCYL be assisted rather
than
be defended. LEt us not be blinded by loyalty because it the weakest
link
that is hindering robust and organic political debates in our
movement.
Let us be objective comrades
Amandla>>>>>>>>>>>
Comrades correct me if I am wrong, Malema is or has deviated from the
main
core of the ANCYL principles and policies. He seems to have forgotten
the
core mandate of the ANCYL.
Let engage
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sabelo gina
Sent: 28 October 2008 06:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
Sure VC, good decision!
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Dominic Tweedie
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Sgidi,
I censor spam.
You are spamming this group.
Bye-bye Sgidi. You're banned.
VC
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sgidi Mosala
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
Cde Lazola, I think U are dead wrong. Julias does not have both
practical and theoritical capacity to lead the revolutionary Youth
Movement.
If he has the said capacity ! Where is the program of the ANCYL,
Provinces are dying a natural death. The only thing preoccupying his
mind is
how to symphone Lembede Investment Arm resources.
I am utterly dissapointed in all of those who allege that this boy
can
lead. He is just like a child who make noise to draw the attention of
the
parents, irrespective of the timing.
I don't hate him I despise his unpolitical and antirevolutionary
conduct.
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From: "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cakwebe, Ronnie"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bobani, Lindile"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Yoliswa Memela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jikeka,
Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack, Thumeka"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Katshu, Zamekile"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Vusumzi
Ketelo
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:19:32 PM
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
I wonder who in the history of the movement did apply or produced
his
qualifications in order for him to be elected in to a leadership
position?Anyway even if there is one who did so for arguement sake who
will
be responsible for shortlisting.Cdes in this movement we accept anyone
who
has the potential to lead not only in theory but also in practice as
this
young lion is doing Malema will lead the ANCYL as long as he is still
carrying the mandate if young people of this country.All what is doing
or
saying on the content is the mandate we gave him on the 23rd conference
it
has nothing to do with his matric result.I wonder how many sport
celebrity
who obtained scholarship abroad based on their sporting perfomance
than
their academics some now are the adminstrators of sport structures so
why
there is noise on this young politician.Viva
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From: Madlavu, Simphiwe
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:08 AM
To: Cakwebe, Ronnie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Bobani, Lindile; Yoliswa Memela;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mantla, Mzwabantu; Jikeka, Wandisile; Jack,
Thumeka;
Blouw, Zitulele; Katshu, Zamekile; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Vusumzi Ketelo;
Ndlazilwana, Lazola; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
Com
you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly
mantained,
that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called
fundi's.
Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade
whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue
of
certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody
even
if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate.
The
point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you
wrestle
with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves
the
respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader
of
one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know
that
as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if
we
are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to
be
the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has
been
hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in.
phambili
Malema phambili!!!
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From: Cakwebe, Ronnie
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile
Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO
KE
PHOFU
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sabelo gina
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
Comrade Mondli,
I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point.
Comradely,
Cedric Gina.
On 10/24/08, Mondli Hlatshwayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi comrades
I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius
Malema's
fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made
by
Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing
the
interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another
day.
On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists
and
activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois
elements, the
analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of
the
struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a
pinch
of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve
the
interest of the apartheid capitalist system.
Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of
struggle. Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but
individual
qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a
popular
pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you
will
notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of
comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they
performed
better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than
those
who had university qualification. The struggle was their school.
In fact, their education was what we call popular education which
was
based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were
grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic
intellectuals. A
number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on.
In
fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and
academics.
These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation
of
the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these
comrades
education. .
Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty
bourgeois
elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation,
certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those
who
have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never
forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working
class
children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the
middle
class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education
because
they have all the material support from their parents.
Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching
incident in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a
meeting there. There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is
probably
three years old but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were
to
compare that with middle class and upper class kids, what do you get?
The
kids from better family backgrounds at that age are starting to read
and
write. They even speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers.
Now
we can see right from the beginning that this working class kid is
unlikely
to compete with the kids of the middle classes.
I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric
results. Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never
matriculated? I think that would be reactionary and backward on my
part. I
have to confess that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks
much
better than the certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements.
Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working
class
Mondli Hlatshwayo
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