Sure VC, good decision! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Sgidi, > > > > I censor spam. > > > > You are spamming this group. > > > > Bye-bye Sgidi. You're banned. > > > > VC > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sgidi Mosala > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:32 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results > > > > Cde Lazola, I think U are dead wrong. Julias does not have both practical > and theoritical capacity to lead the revolutionary Youth Movement. > > > > If he has the said capacity ! Where is the program of the ANCYL, Provinces > are dying a natural death. The only thing preoccupying his mind is how to > symphone Lembede Investment Arm resources. > > > > I am utterly dissapointed in all of those who allege that this boy can > lead. He is just like a child who make noise to draw the attention of the > parents, irrespective of the timing. > > > > I don't hate him I despise his unpolitical and antirevolutionary conduct. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cakwebe, Ronnie" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Cc:* "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bobani, Lindile" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Yoliswa Memela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jikeka, > Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack, Thumeka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Katshu, Zamekile" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Vusumzi > Ketelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2008 6:19:32 PM > *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results > > I wonder who in the history of the movement did apply or produced his > qualifications in order for him to be elected in to a leadership > position?Anyway even if there is one who did so for arguement sake who will > be responsible for shortlisting.Cdes in this movement we accept anyone who > has the potential to lead not only in theory but also in practice as this > young lion is doing Malema will lead the ANCYL as long as he is still > carrying the mandate if young people of this country.All what is doing or > saying on the content is the mandate we gave him on the 23rd conference it > has nothing to do with his matric result.I wonder how many sport celebrity > who obtained scholarship abroad based on their sporting perfomance than > their academics some now are the adminstrators of sport structures so why > there is noise on this young politician.Viva > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Madlavu, Simphiwe > *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2008 7:08 AM > *To:* Cakwebe, Ronnie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > *Cc:* Malgas, Nicholas; Bobani, Lindile; Yoliswa Memela; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > Mantla, Mzwabantu; Jikeka, Wandisile; Jack, Thumeka; Blouw, Zitulele; > Katshu, Zamekile; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Vusumzi Ketelo; Ndlazilwana, Lazola; > [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results > > Com > > > > you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly mantained, > that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called fundi's. > Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade > whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue of > certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody even > if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate. The > point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you wrestle > with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves the > respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader of > one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know that > as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if we > are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to be > the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has been > hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in. phambili > Malema phambili!!! > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Cakwebe, Ronnie > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Cc:* Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile > *Subject:* FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results > > > > DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO KE PHOFU > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *sabelo gina > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results > > Comrade Mondli, > > > > I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point. > > > > Comradely, > > > > Cedric Gina. > > > > On 10/24/08, *Mondli Hlatshwayo* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi comrades > > I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius Malema's > fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made by > Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing the > interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another day. > > On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists and > activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois elements, the > analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of the > struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a pinch > of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve the > interest of the apartheid capitalist system. > > Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of struggle. > Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but individual > qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a popular > pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you will > notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of > comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they performed > better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than those > who had university qualification. The struggle was their school. > > In fact, their education was what we call popular education which was > based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were > grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic intellectuals. A > number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on. In > fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and academics. > These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation of > the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these comrades > education. . > > Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty bourgeois > elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation, > certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those who > have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never > forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working class > children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the middle > class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education because > they have all the material support from their parents. > > Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching incident > in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a meeting there. > There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is probably three years old > but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were to compare that with > middle class and upper class kids, what do you get? The kids from better > family backgrounds at that age are starting to read and write. They even > speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers. Now we can see right > from the beginning that this working class kid is unlikely to compete with > the kids of the middle classes. > > I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric results. > Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never matriculated? I > think that would be reactionary and backward on my part. I have to confess > that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks much better than the > certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements. > > Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working class > > Mondli Hlatshwayo > > 0843773003 > > > > > Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. 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