Comrades, We must not use this platform to spit anti-Malema and anti-Motlanthe rhetorics.
To refer to to Deputy President Motlanthe as a sly fox is a bit unfortunate and unwarranted. We must not forget that Malema was elected democratically in a Congress of the ANCYL. We must not allow our hatred for other comrades to cloud our judgements. Its only demagogues do that. I never thought Comrades that I thought understood the movement would stoop this low. This is embarassing On 9/29/11, Klaas Nono Mabunda <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrade VC, > There is no other way than lash out at the article, and equally do so > soberly without being subjective in approaching this. > During the corruption trial of President Jacob Zuma some six seven years > ago, there were posters bearing the name of Jacob Zuma as the preferred > President whilst others were tarnishing Thabo Mbeki 's reputation and > lamented on his Leadership style. > This did not suggest Zuma as a Factionalist as he was largely preferred to > take over the ANC as its President, again towards the so called "Disastrous > Polokwane Conference" no terms of discussing leadership were tabled nor it > be that time to open for Leadership debate was awaited to be given a green > light. > Maybe that's the disastrous part of Polokwane that Thabo Mbeki didn't > disregard the right of member to lobby as enshrined in the Constitution of > the ANC. > VC, the deliberate allowance of your hatred on Cde. Kgalema Motlanthe and > Julius Malema to supersede your objectivity is a problem, because majority > looks up to you in this Forum. > What is wrong with the ANCYL this time around when it raises preference on > leadership of the ANC towards the Mangaung Congress, should Motlanthe go all > out denouncing the ANCYL so that the innocent masses of our people will be > given wrong impression on the Leadership of the ANCYL, so that when he goes > out in public he 'l be widely opening the gap between his believes and those > of yours. > Perhaps we should applaud Motlanthe for his mute on the current fiasco in > the ANC, when those that are expected to reign the ANC to the right > direction are charging their Young wing and drive them to possible expulsion > in the implementation of their "Youth Plan" > Has these popular support of leadership change in the ANC brew such a bitter > & unobjective person in you Tweedie, to an extend that you are at times > arrogant on matters that demand your clear views. > We cannot allow it that the names of our leaders are dragged in the mud > through media and furthermore the use of this forum to achieve such > disgracing objectives of painting those that are tough competitions towards > Mangaung. > The KZN ANCYL should learn to engage within relevant structures, and In a > clear view of differences within the PEC, wherein Mthandeni will say this > and Mtolo will say a different thing all together, should call for concern. > Those that are charged with a mandate to monitor the livelihood of the > Organisation Nationally should act to ensure that the organisation doesn't > collapse and be turned into a "Press Statement circus." > The decision by the NWC to disempower the PEC is critical in a light of > limiting confusion and the continuous putting the interest of the > Organisation ahead of Factionalism in that Province. > The ANCYL Nationally is sober unlike those that goes around disbanding > regions & province of the SACP because its Provincial Secretary is earmarked > for Provincial Secretary of the ANC against their cronies, even distribute > red T-shirts to Businessmen to March against the ANC led Provincial > Government and go all out to Branches which failed audits in preparation of > their BGMs to tell members not to attend, so much that an early conference > shouldn't materialise. > Its correct to lash when people are all factional but not when you are > lashing you spice your lashing with Factionalism. > These shows that the Charges against the Officials of the ANCYL goes above > politics, as those that goes to Luthuli to support their leadership are > scared off with the NIA Agents who goes to their homes in early hours of the > morning to terrorise them and give them ultimatums including telling them to > stop pledging support, and furthermore send their friend in departments > where supporters works to go and frustrate them. > On all this things you remain mute but vocal where Motlanthe and Malema are > concerned. > VC and Fellow comrades, let refrain from all these and focus on instilling > discipline amongst our members, Not promote factionalism. > > "Eager for expropriation proves determination for rightful ownership, > especially where compensation is unlisted" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:33:28 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN > structures > > Dear Cde Gugu > > I don't know to what extent the Kgalema Camp is directly led by Kgalema. But > if Kgalema pretends that he is not aware, then that is not o.k. comrade. > > You can't have a Zuma Camp and an anti-Zuma Camp, while pretending that the > anti-Zuma Camp is not a Kgalema Camp! > > Let me be clear, since it seems you are interested: I am positive, not > negative, and I think you should be positive, too. > > I am not especially anti-Malema. I am pro-communist. > > I am not especially anti-Kgalema. I am Zuma Camp, as I have been for more > years than enough. Maybe seven years or so. Why should I hide that, or > pretend that it is not so? Why should I change? I suport the incumbent, and > there is no campaign as far as I am concerned. > > Supporting the elected person is not electioneering. Until the > electioneering is supposed to start, you are supposed to support the elected > office bearers, including Jacob "Msholozi" Gedleyilhekisa Zuma. That is what > I am doing. > > Kgalema Motlanthe is likewise the Deputy President of the ANC and of the > country. Let it remain so. > > But if people are campaigning and destroying structures so that Kgalema can > overthrow Jacob Zuma, that is wrong. > > > VC > > > > > > On 29 September 2011 08:25, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** My point is, the sub title asserts that Comrade Kgalema is leading a >> faction in the YL and it is incorrect >> >> We can't behave as if we are not ANC members-when the ANC specifically >> called for discipline on such things . >> >> Its really improper comrades. If some people choose to do things >> incorrectly, we can't then follow suite and say "oh well if they are doing >> it, why can't we"- hence some are facing disciplinary matters >> >> Let's allow objectivity and discipline to prevail and not encourage >> factionalism. Cde Gwede came out strongly against it and acknowledged the >> severe ramifications it has on the organisation >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * [email protected] >> *Sender: * [email protected] >> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:17:01 +0000 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >> structures >> >> VC you do not have to be defensive- the article is too divisive- do not >> let >> your anti-Malema mindset rule your brain! No one approves of Malema's way >> of >> doing things- but leave Kgalema alone!!!! >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:42:55 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >> structures >> >> >> It is not incorrect, Cde Gugu, and any divisiveness comes from what is >> described in the article. >> >> It may be shocking to you, but in fact the Malema faction of the ANC Youth >> League is also a Kgalema-for-President faction, which the Deputy President >> has not discouraged, and which he actively encouraged by appearing at the >> Youth League National Congress after the re-election of Malema, to pose >> with >> him for the cameras. >> >> When the rioters were outside Luthuli House on 29th/30th August burning >> Cde >> Blade's image, Cde President Zuma's image and the ANC flag, were at the >> same >> time brandishing large, expensive pre-printed placards saying "Motlanthe >> for >> President", Motlanthe did not distance himself from the display. >> >> Kgalema Motlanthe is mentioned in the article of the Business Day. >> >> When it comes to the Subject line of the e-mail postings, we are not >> prisoners of the newspaper sub-editors, Cde Gugu. >> >> If the Kgalema thing is an "elephant in the room" for you, that you want >> to >> pretend is not there, it's not anybody else's fault. The rest of us have >> to >> see it for what it is. We can't go on talking about "anti-Zuma" as if we >> do >> not know who is actually being referred to. >> >> >> VC >> >> >> >> On 29 September 2011 07:33, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Morning, >>> >>> Just as a matter of interest the heading "Kgalema Motlanthe Faction >>> smashes KZN structures"-is this an official heading from Business day or >>> is >>> it another title-it sounds HIGHLY incorrect and divisive! >>> >>> I just want clarity >>> >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:54:35 +0200 >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >>> structures >>> >>> >>> [image: Business Day] >>> >>> >>> *Youth league strips rebel province of its ‘powers’***** >>> ** ** >>> ** ** >>> *Sibongakonke Shoba, Business Day, Johannesburg, 29 September 2011* >>> ** ** >>> THE KwaZulu-Natal African National Congress (ANC) Youth League has been >>> stripped of its powers after its clashes with the Julius Malema-led >>> national >>> leadership.**** >>> ** ** >>> League secretary-general Sindiso Magaqa said yesterday the decision to >>> strip the provincial leaders of their powers was taken by the national >>> working committee after divisions within the KwaZulu-Natal executive >>> became >>> public last week. "There is infighting in that province and there is no >>> stability," Mr Magaqa said.**** >>> ** ** >>> However, he could not explain what this decision meant. "It means they >>> have no powers," he said.**** >>> ** ** >>> This is likely to fuel tensions in the league and the ANC, pitting >>> supporters of ANC president Jacob Zuma against those who want him >>> replaced >>> by his deputy Kgalema Motlanthe. The league in KwaZulu-Natal has thrown >>> its >>> weight behind Mr Zuma while Mr Malema is linked to the anti-Zuma >>> campaign. >>> **** >>> ** ** >>> KwaZulu-Natal chairman Mthandeni Dlungwane yesterday said his executive >>> would oppose the decision as it had been influenced by its refusal to >>> support Mr Malema and his campaigns. "We will do whatever is necessary to >>> fight this decision."**** >>> ** ** >>> Mr Dlungwane is leading a pro-Zuma faction in the province, while Mr >>> Malema’s group is led by provincial secretary Bheki Mtolo. Mr Mtolo is >>> said >>> to be in favour of the national working committee decision.**** >>> ** ** >>> Both factions have gone to the league’s lower structures to lobby >>> support. >>> Mr Dlungwane said his backers would form the majority in all of the >>> scheduled regional general council meetings. "We will be there in >>> numbers," >>> he said.**** >>> ** ** >>> Mr Magaqa denied the regional meetings had been called to explain the >>> national working committee decision. "We are going there to discuss the >>> OR >>> Tambo month programme of mass action and other political issues," he >>> said. >>> **** >>> ** ** >>> [email protected]**** >>> ** ** >>> *From: http://www.businessday.co.za/Articles/Content.aspx?id=154613* >>> * * >>> * * >>> * * >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. 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