Comrade VC is not even a member of the ANC Youth League but thinks he can question the ANC Youth League leadership. The current NEC was elected by ANC Youth League at a congress. They were not imposed on anybody. It is the branches that said that they wanted this leadership. So,I would suggest that you leave our leadership alone and focus on work.
This discussion fourum must not be reduced into a personal fiefdom. If people want to spit their hatred on other leaders,they must use other platforms to do that,not here. This fourum must not be used to divide our movement and disrespect our leaders. I'm glad that some people were exposed today as hypocrites of the highest order who are hell-bent on dividing our movement. Comrades must also refrain from dragging the names of JZ and Motlanthe in their factional agendas. If you want to challenge ANC Youth League Leadership decisions,join it and do so at proper organisational platforms. The campaign led by VC to tarnish the image of Malema and Motlanthe will not work. On 9/29/11, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > But as I wrote to you earlier, Cde Gugu, I have no knowledge as to whether > the Deputy President is leading the campaign. I am not making such an > allegation, and I did not do so before. > > Let's start from the beginning. What is the problem that the ANC YL national > leadership has with its KZN leadership? The KZN Province refused to go and > demonstrate outside Luthuli House with placards calling for Cde Kgalema to > become President, while burning images of Jacob G Zuma, President of the > ANC. > > The ANC YL in KZN supports President Zuma. The Business Day says that the > national leadership wants Kgalema Motlanthe to become President, and hence > wants to "deal with", or rather to "remove the powers of" the KZN PEC. > > This is the Business Day story that I posted. > > I said that we needed a statement from the Deputy President of the ANC. Now, > thanks to Cde Sikhumbuzo and others, we have one, even if it is nearly three > months old. It is a lot better than nothing. > > To be honest, I think it would be good if the Deputy President repeated that > statement at this moment, and with an ANC hat on this time. > > > VC > > > > > > On 29 September 2011 12:06, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** I think he meant to apologise for creating an impression that Cde. KM >> is campaigning through the YL >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:55:02 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >> structures >> >> >> Apology for what? >> >> I said that a statement was called for and it seems that the Deputy >> President thought so, too. >> >> There is still the small matter of why the statement was issued from the >> Presidency and not from the ANC. The answer to this latter question we do >> not know. >> >> Comrade, this is a study circle. Collectively, we build up a picture of >> what is rational and what is real. >> >> Nobody needs to apologise for asking for a document. >> >> >> VC >> >> >> On 29 September 2011 11:47, Trevor Kekana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi VC**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Now that the statement has been produced, I await your apology to Cde. >>> Sku, the Deputy President and this Forum now that “the day has been >>> saved” >>> (to borrow your phrase).**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Regards**** >>> >>> Trevor **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dominic Tweedie >>> *Sent:* 29 September 2011 11:09 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >>> structures**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Hi Cde Sikhumbuzo,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The link that you gave does not work. It returns a page saying "Bad >>> Request".**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Let me tell you, there used to be a silent movie comedy star called >>> Buster >>> Keaton. Of course he never said anything, because the movies were >>> soundless >>> in those days, but he also had no expression on his face. Or rather, he >>> only >>> had one expression: blank. Buster Keaton was very successful.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Please, comrade, don't make big claims when you can't back them up. Claim >>> no easy victories! By the way, I was expecting something more than a >>> small >>> mention in the Sowetan.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> So far, the silence is deafening. You can save the day Cde Sku if you >>> come >>> through with that statement. It will change everything.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> VC**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On 29 September 2011 10:55, Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> It was even on SOWETAN **** >>> >>> www.*sowetan*live.co.za/columnists/2011/07/.../presidents-and-picnics -** >>> ** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ST**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dominic Tweedie < >>> [email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Good morning Cde Sikhumbuzo, **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I have looked for that statement of Cde Kgalema's, but I have not found >>> it. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Please would you mind forwarding it, or a link to where it can be found >>> on >>> the Internet?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Because this is what one wants to see, or to hear: A loud, clear message >>> from the Deputy President of the ANC to say that he is loyal to his >>> President and that he condemns what the ANC YL is doing and what the >>> Daily >>> Maverick is doing.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I have never heard of a senior politician that was incapable of speaking >>> before.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> VC**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On 29 September 2011 10:41, Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Comrades**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On July 06th this year the office of the DP issued a statement in this >>> regard. Why are we engaging as though the DP has NOT distanced himself >>> from >>> anarchy?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> TIme came that Business Day be handed to cleaners for reckless reporting, >>> because here we have a faction doing its best to devide to top 6 >>> deliberatly.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> What we should be discussing is perhaps does nt the movement need some >>> sort of a Morogoro or Kabwe processes before the national conference to >>> cleanse ourselves pls!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ST**** >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:33 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> It is ! Highly**** >>> >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!**** >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bernard Makgaka <[email protected]> >>> Sender: [email protected]**** >>> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:22:27 >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >>> structures >>> >>> Comrades, >>> >>> We must not use this platform to spit anti-Malema and anti-Motlanthe >>> rhetorics. >>> >>> To refer to to Deputy President Motlanthe as a sly fox is a bit >>> unfortunate and unwarranted. >>> >>> We must not forget that Malema was elected democratically in a >>> Congress of the ANCYL. >>> >>> We must not allow our hatred for other comrades to cloud our >>> judgements. Its only demagogues do that. >>> >>> I never thought Comrades that I thought understood the movement would >>> stoop this low. This is embarassing >>> >>> >>> On 9/29/11, Klaas Nono Mabunda <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Comrade VC, >>> > There is no other way than lash out at the article, and equally do so >>> > soberly without being subjective in approaching this. >>> > During the corruption trial of President Jacob Zuma some six seven >>> > years >>> > ago, there were posters bearing the name of Jacob Zuma as the preferred >>> > President whilst others were tarnishing Thabo Mbeki 's reputation and >>> > lamented on his Leadership style. >>> > This did not suggest Zuma as a Factionalist as he was largely preferred >>> to >>> > take over the ANC as its President, again towards the so called >>> "Disastrous >>> > Polokwane Conference" no terms of discussing leadership were tabled nor >>> it >>> > be that time to open for Leadership debate was awaited to be given a >>> green >>> > light. >>> > Maybe that's the disastrous part of Polokwane that Thabo Mbeki didn't >>> > disregard the right of member to lobby as enshrined in the Constitution >>> of >>> > the ANC. >>> > VC, the deliberate allowance of your hatred on Cde. Kgalema Motlanthe >>> and >>> > Julius Malema to supersede your objectivity is a problem, because >>> majority >>> > looks up to you in this Forum. >>> > What is wrong with the ANCYL this time around when it raises preference >>> on >>> > leadership of the ANC towards the Mangaung Congress, should Motlanthe >>> > go >>> all >>> > out denouncing the ANCYL so that the innocent masses of our people will >>> be >>> > given wrong impression on the Leadership of the ANCYL, so that when he >>> goes >>> > out in public he 'l be widely opening the gap between his believes and >>> those >>> > of yours. >>> > Perhaps we should applaud Motlanthe for his mute on the current fiasco >>> in >>> > the ANC, when those that are expected to reign the ANC to the right >>> > direction are charging their Young wing and drive them to possible >>> expulsion >>> > in the implementation of their "Youth Plan" >>> > Has these popular support of leadership change in the ANC brew such a >>> bitter >>> > & unobjective person in you Tweedie, to an extend that you are at times >>> > arrogant on matters that demand your clear views. >>> > We cannot allow it that the names of our leaders are dragged in the mud >>> > through media and furthermore the use of this forum to achieve such >>> > disgracing objectives of painting those that are tough competitions >>> towards >>> > Mangaung. >>> > The KZN ANCYL should learn to engage within relevant structures, and In >>> a >>> > clear view of differences within the PEC, wherein Mthandeni will say >>> this >>> > and Mtolo will say a different thing all together, should call for >>> concern. >>> > Those that are charged with a mandate to monitor the livelihood of the >>> > Organisation Nationally should act to ensure that the organisation >>> doesn't >>> > collapse and be turned into a "Press Statement circus." >>> > The decision by the NWC to disempower the PEC is critical in a light of >>> > limiting confusion and the continuous putting the interest of the >>> > Organisation ahead of Factionalism in that Province. >>> > The ANCYL Nationally is sober unlike those that goes around disbanding >>> > regions & province of the SACP because its Provincial Secretary is >>> earmarked >>> > for Provincial Secretary of the ANC against their cronies, even >>> distribute >>> > red T-shirts to Businessmen to March against the ANC led Provincial >>> > Government and go all out to Branches which failed audits in >>> > preparation >>> of >>> > their BGMs to tell members not to attend, so much that an early >>> conference >>> > shouldn't materialise. >>> > Its correct to lash when people are all factional but not when you are >>> > lashing you spice your lashing with Factionalism. >>> > These shows that the Charges against the Officials of the ANCYL goes >>> above >>> > politics, as those that goes to Luthuli to support their leadership are >>> > scared off with the NIA Agents who goes to their homes in early hours >>> > of >>> the >>> > morning to terrorise them and give them ultimatums including telling >>> them to >>> > stop pledging support, and furthermore send their friend in departments >>> > where supporters works to go and frustrate them. >>> > On all this things you remain mute but vocal where Motlanthe and Malema >>> are >>> > concerned. >>> > VC and Fellow comrades, let refrain from all these and focus on >>> instilling >>> > discipline amongst our members, Not promote factionalism. >>> > >>> > "Eager for expropriation proves determination for rightful ownership, >>> > especially where compensation is unlisted" >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >>> > Sender: [email protected] >>> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:33:28 >>> > To: <[email protected]> >>> > Reply-To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >>> > structures >>> > >>> > Dear Cde Gugu >>> > >>> > I don't know to what extent the Kgalema Camp is directly led by >>> > Kgalema. >>> But >>> > if Kgalema pretends that he is not aware, then that is not o.k. >>> > comrade. >>> > >>> > You can't have a Zuma Camp and an anti-Zuma Camp, while pretending that >>> the >>> > anti-Zuma Camp is not a Kgalema Camp! >>> > >>> > Let me be clear, since it seems you are interested: I am positive, not >>> > negative, and I think you should be positive, too. >>> > >>> > I am not especially anti-Malema. I am pro-communist. >>> > >>> > I am not especially anti-Kgalema. I am Zuma Camp, as I have been for >>> more >>> > years than enough. Maybe seven years or so. Why should I hide that, or >>> > pretend that it is not so? Why should I change? I suport the incumbent, >>> and >>> > there is no campaign as far as I am concerned. >>> > >>> > Supporting the elected person is not electioneering. Until the >>> > electioneering is supposed to start, you are supposed to support the >>> elected >>> > office bearers, including Jacob "Msholozi" Gedleyilhekisa Zuma. That is >>> what >>> > I am doing. >>> > >>> > Kgalema Motlanthe is likewise the Deputy President of the ANC and of >>> > the >>> > country. Let it remain so. >>> > >>> > But if people are campaigning and destroying structures so that Kgalema >>> can >>> > overthrow Jacob Zuma, that is wrong. >>> > >>> > >>> > VC >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 29 September 2011 08:25, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> ** My point is, the sub title asserts that Comrade Kgalema is leading >>> >> a >>> >> faction in the YL and it is incorrect >>> >> >>> >> We can't behave as if we are not ANC members-when the ANC specifically >>> >> called for discipline on such things . >>> >> >>> >> Its really improper comrades. If some people choose to do things >>> >> incorrectly, we can't then follow suite and say "oh well if they are >>> doing >>> >> it, why can't we"- hence some are facing disciplinary matters >>> >> >>> >> Let's allow objectivity and discipline to prevail and not encourage >>> >> factionalism. Cde Gwede came out strongly against it and acknowledged >>> the >>> >> severe ramifications it has on the organisation >>> >> >>> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> >> ------------------------------ >>> >> *From: * [email protected] >>> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> >> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:17:01 +0000 >>> >> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes >>> >> KZN >>> >> structures >>> >> >>> >> VC you do not have to be defensive- the article is too divisive- do >>> >> not >>> >> let >>> >> your anti-Malema mindset rule your brain! No one approves of Malema's >>> way >>> >> of >>> >> doing things- but leave Kgalema alone!!!! >>> >> >>> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> >> ------------------------------ >>> >> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >>> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> >> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:42:55 +0200 >>> >> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes >>> >> KZN >>> >> structures >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> It is not incorrect, Cde Gugu, and any divisiveness comes from what is >>> >> described in the article. >>> >> >>> >> It may be shocking to you, but in fact the Malema faction of the ANC >>> Youth >>> >> League is also a Kgalema-for-President faction, which the Deputy >>> President >>> >> has not discouraged, and which he actively encouraged by appearing at >>> the >>> >> Youth League National Congress after the re-election of Malema, to >>> >> pose >>> >> with >>> >> him for the cameras. >>> >> >>> >> When the rioters were outside Luthuli House on 29th/30th August >>> >> burning >>> >> Cde >>> >> Blade's image, Cde President Zuma's image and the ANC flag, were at >>> >> the >>> >> same >>> >> time brandishing large, expensive pre-printed placards saying >>> "Motlanthe >>> >> for >>> >> President", Motlanthe did not distance himself from the display. >>> >> >>> >> Kgalema Motlanthe is mentioned in the article of the Business Day. >>> >> >>> >> When it comes to the Subject line of the e-mail postings, we are not >>> >> prisoners of the newspaper sub-editors, Cde Gugu. >>> >> >>> >> If the Kgalema thing is an "elephant in the room" for you, that you >>> want >>> >> to >>> >> pretend is not there, it's not anybody else's fault. The rest of us >>> have >>> >> to >>> >> see it for what it is. We can't go on talking about "anti-Zuma" as if >>> we >>> >> do >>> >> not know who is actually being referred to. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> VC >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 29 September 2011 07:33, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Morning, >>> >>> >>> >>> Just as a matter of interest the heading "Kgalema Motlanthe Faction >>> >>> smashes KZN structures"-is this an official heading from Business day >>> or >>> >>> is >>> >>> it another title-it sounds HIGHLY incorrect and divisive! >>> >>> >>> >>> I just want clarity >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> >>> *Date: *Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:54:35 +0200 >>> >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] Kgalema Motlanthe faction smashes KZN >>> >>> structures >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Business Day] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Youth league strips rebel province of its ‘powers’***** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *Sibongakonke Shoba, Business Day, Johannesburg, 29 September 2011* >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> THE KwaZulu-Natal African National Congress (ANC) Youth League has >>> been >>> >>> stripped of its powers after its clashes with the Julius Malema-led >>> >>> national >>> >>> leadership.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> League secretary-general Sindiso Magaqa said yesterday the decision >>> >>> to >>> >>> strip the provincial leaders of their powers was taken by the >>> >>> national >>> >>> working committee after divisions within the KwaZulu-Natal executive >>> >>> became >>> >>> public last week. "There is infighting in that province and there is >>> no >>> >>> stability," Mr Magaqa said.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> However, he could not explain what this decision meant. "It means >>> >>> they >>> >>> have no powers," he said.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This is likely to fuel tensions in the league and the ANC, pitting >>> >>> supporters of ANC president Jacob Zuma against those who want him >>> >>> replaced >>> >>> by his deputy Kgalema Motlanthe. The league in KwaZulu-Natal has >>> thrown >>> >>> its >>> >>> weight behind Mr Zuma while Mr Malema is linked to the anti-Zuma >>> >>> campaign. >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> KwaZulu-Natal chairman Mthandeni Dlungwane yesterday said his >>> executive >>> >>> would oppose the decision as it had been influenced by its refusal to >>> >>> support Mr Malema and his campaigns. "We will do whatever is >>> >>> necessary >>> to >>> >>> fight this decision."**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Mr Dlungwane is leading a pro-Zuma faction in the province, while Mr >>> >>> Malema’s group is led by provincial secretary Bheki Mtolo. Mr Mtolo >>> >>> is >>> >>> said >>> >>> to be in favour of the national working committee decision.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Both factions have gone to the league’s lower structures to lobby >>> >>> support. >>> >>> Mr Dlungwane said his backers would form the majority in all of the >>> >>> scheduled regional general council meetings. "We will be there in >>> >>> numbers," >>> >>> he said.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Mr Magaqa denied the regional meetings had been called to explain the >>> >>> national working committee decision. 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