Chris, Guess I've have to buy more guns! :-)
Edgar On Aug 31, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > And as I age I am getting much faster at immediately recycling or giving away > stuff I don't need right away. I could hold onto it for years and years and > use it in ten years, but I can also just find someone that can make it useful > right away. > > > Joko Beck writes a story of how some roommate of hers kept stuff in case she > needed it again, and how she, Joko, gave away stuff relentlessly, and how > constantly both of them couldn't find stuff they needed - the roommate > because it was covered up by other saved stuff, and Joko because she'd gotten > rid of it. She was able to just laugh it off as part of life, using it as an > example of how there's not some perfect person we are trying to become, but > rather we are trying to live comfortably with who we actually are. > > @Edgar: how will you keep your useful stuff if society collapses, if other > people with guns/crowds of fanatical believers, want your useful stuff? > > Thanks, > > --Chris > ch...@austin-lane.net > +1-301-270-6524 > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: > > > Merle, > > Interesting, I tend to save things I am unlikely to need because I might need > them someday, especially if/when society collapses. To some extent that's > practical, to some extent perhaps attachment. > > On the other hand there have been a number of cases I found a use for some of > that stuff, actually on a fairly regular basis. One can also consider it as > an alternative to our throw away consumerist society where most people always > have to spend their money on something new even when something old will do > quite well. > > I think the important point here between practicality and attachment is what > happens if one (or many) of those items is lost. If there is emotional > suffering then it was an attachment, if not it wasn't... > > Edgar > > > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > as i age..i have a dreadful attachment to things..i cannot even throw a > cardboard box out... once i was good at discarding..now it grips at my heart. > .i was a child in the era of the 50's..when we collected everything and it > was useful...e.g string. > .you who have lived in that era would know...i think the depression had a lot > to do with it...and then there is "oh i might be able to use that later"... > even to make an artwork. > .as a kid we had a rubbish tip walking distance from my home..i loved > searching through it..i like looking at things...everything is so amazing. > .if i lost my eye sight..which i could have well done in 2001..the stroke is > in the area that is linked to eyesight... and the top corner of each eye is > da maged. > .so i am forever grateful..is that attachment?..sure it is... > > detachment feels so cold..like with people..jesus..does one present a > detached aura... i am northern european..from the coldest parts of the > world..and yes they are detached..and rather cold..if you get my > drift..nothing like the ever embracing italian style of personality.. > . > any thoughts on this folks? > > what is detachment? > what is desire? > what is need and what is want? > > how much of our wants are thrust upon us by society that we are brainwashed > to believing we must have it and have it now? > > the vow of poverty and vow of silence holds much appeal to me now. > .we talk too much. > .we want too much. > .our society is out of balance > i question > merle > > > > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Aug 30, 2012, at 21:20, "Joe" <desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > Yes, well, I think so. > > > > Do you disagree that Desire is for what one does not have, > > and Attachment is to what one has? > > They are just words, I was trying to explain what the largely > mental/physiological experiences behind "attachment is the root of > suffering." In my experience the suffering comes from not the thought "I wish > it were otherwise" but from the belief in that thought, the indignation that > this self should experience that! > > If you want to refine wanting to have the moment be otherwise than it is into > a list of two different types of dissatisfaction is fine, but not the idea I > was trying to add my two cents to. > > > Personally, I don't see alternatives, so I ask. > > > > --Joe > > > >> Email <brintala@...> wrote: > >> > >> Attachment to your health, your family, your possessions, your reputation, > >> your intellect, your mind, your life. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
