Isn't the first principal of Zen to abandon hope and optimism? What we have in front of us is our task. Any thought of it as good or bad (or getting better in the so-called future) takes us away from the glory of that task.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Dec 26, 2012, at 22:12, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > I'm over-tired here, and not willing to think much, but it occurs to me that, > in some ways, faith is a bit like optimism. > > Pessimism is a jadedness which is born of (too much) experience. ;-) > > I'm optimistic about sleep doing me plenty of good, and about tomorrow; and, > pessimistic about my ability to keep my eyes open much longer tonight. What > a long day! > > --Joe > >> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: >> >> Even when faith is known as an assertion of life in the absence of any >> dualustic knowledge? >> On Dec 26, 2012 7:32 PM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> Yes, we all sometimes do use words with different nuances to support our >>> purposes - our rhetoric, but isn't that what they're for? >>> >>> What I am trying to say is the only thing we 'know' for certain is what we >>> experience. >>> >>> All other 'beliefs', whether based on faith or something else is IMO >>> uncertain - and what I would call illusory. >>> >>> ...Bill! > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
