bill/// it's ying and yang..and that is the way of the world..merle
Yes, I agree with you. We abandon all dualism. We abandon hope as well as despair. We abandon optimism as well as pessimism. We abandon good as well as bad. We are - and if you read this as 'self' then 'we aren't'. We act and we don't act. We do and we don't. Always, Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> wrote: > > Isn't the first principal of Zen to abandon hope and optimism? What we have > in front of us is our task. Any thought of it as good or bad (or getting > better in the so-called future) takes us away from the glory of that task. > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 22:12, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > I'm over-tired here, and not willing to think much, but it occurs to me > > that, in some ways, faith is a bit like optimism. > > > > Pessimism is a jadedness which is born of (too much) experience. ;-) > > > > I'm optimistic about sleep doing me plenty of good, and about tomorrow; > > and, pessimistic about my ability to keep my eyes open much longer tonight. > > What a long day! > > > > --Joe > > > >> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > >> > >> Even when faith is known as an assertion of life in the absence of any > >> dualustic knowledge? > >> On Dec 26, 2012 7:32 PM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > >> > >>> Chris, > >>> > >>> Yes, we all sometimes do use words with different nuances to support our > >>> purposes - our rhetoric, but isn't that what they're for? > >>> > >>> What I am trying to say is the only thing we 'know' for certain is what we > >>> experience. > >>> > >>> All other 'beliefs', whether based on faith or something else is IMO > >>> uncertain - and what I would call illusory. > >>> > >>> ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
