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Von: Jacob Ritorto <jacob.rito...@gmail.com>
Cc: matth...@pfuetzner.de, zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org,
indiana-disc...@opensolaris.org
Gesendet: 22.2.'10, 21:21
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Tim Cook <t...@cook.ms> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Jacob Ritorto <jacob.rito...@gmail.com>
wrote:
2010/2/22 Matthias Pfützner <matth...@pfuetzner.de>:
> You (Jacob Ritorto) wrote:
>> FWIW, I suspect that this situation does not warrant a "Wait and See"
>> response. We're being badly mistreated here and it's probably too
>> late to do anything about it. Probably the only chance to quell this
>> poor stewardship is to get big and loud right away. Then we can see
>> if Oracle actually respects the notion of community.
>
> Badly mistreated "here"?
>
> Bad words, you're using, please change them! And, if you have a problem,
> escalate with your Sales-Rep!
>
Of course I will escalate with my sales rep, buy sorry, Matthias, I won't
condone having the carpet yanked out from under me and my business
while putting on a happy face in the forums. This has to be addressed
in public. If the word "here" offends you, please take it to mean "as
a consumer group."
You haven't had anything yanked out from under you. You found an
end-of-service-life page which is fairly standard practice, then decided to
freak out about it.
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/lifecycle.xml
The reason there's an end of service page is because Oracle isn't going to
be supporting 2009.06 for 30 years. I don't see how that lead you to the
conclusion they're ending the opensolaris project, but that is one hell of a
conclusion to jump to.
--Tim
Since it seems you have absolutely no grasp of what's happening here,
perhaps it would be best for you to continue to sit idly by and let
this happen. Thanks helping out with the crude characterisations
though. Do you understand that the OpenSolaris page has a sunset in
it and the Solaris page doesn't? Have you spent enough (any) time
trying to renew your contracts only to see that all mentions of
OpenSolaris have been deleted from the support pages over the last few
days? This, specifically, is what has been yanked out from under me
and my company. This represents years of my and my team's effort and
investment.
And, honestly, that's not something strange, is it?
Two facts:
1.) Solaris is a product, maintained and produced 100% by Sun!
2.) OpenSolaris is a community effort, and Sun's been providing the initial
version of it, as well as many development resources. Still, OSOL has never
been a 100% maintained and produced product of Sun!
So, yes, Sun did provide support contracts for OSOL, based on a 6-month basis (as that's the cycle for new
versions of OSOL). Now, the CiC (change in control) and the cycle of the next version of OSOL (did you
notice, that it might be 2010.03, and not 2010.02, aka 7 months?) do "collide", and you are drawing
the "conclusion", that the internal process of checking ALL offers (and be sure, as I stated, the
OSOL support contracts did not generate a margin!) and STANDARDIZING those offers entitles you to state, that
support is cancled? Boy, there are way more important contracts to check then the OSOL support offerings. And
I assume, ou also want to see "Sun" flourishing and providing an operative income to Oracle's
business. Because, if that will not happen, many other things might happen... And support contracts for OSOL
might then be so unimportant, that nobody might ever remember, that such things even existed once...
There are way more changes currently, then you seem to notice. NONE of those
entitle you to state, that there will NEVER EVER be support for OSOL.
Give the folks at Oracle some time to perform a thorough and intensive check of
all of Sun's former offerings, and also give them the time to figure, what to
do with all those things! And, yes, make sure, that your voice is heard INSIDE
Oracle. But, please, do not try to boil the ocean now by claiming end of
support...
And, if that should leave you "unsupported" in about two to three months time,
then you could start trying to state, that there might not be a commercial support offer
from Oracle for OpenSolaris...
There the still is the possibility to create your own company which coukd offer
support for OSOL, just like RedHat and Novell are doing with Linux. And, yes,
Nexenta currenly already does that, so, there are already options out there!
Again: I have no insight into what's going on inside Oracle w.r.t. the topics
discussed here!
My only commen is: Try to relax a bit, and please calm down!
Matthias
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