> Why "others"? > > My hot button is when people use the words like "they" and "others". > The ASF is the set of people who show up to do the work. As such it > is constantly growing and shrinking as new people show up and others > move on to other things. > > If you are sincere about being willing to do the work, then you are part of us.
I apologize for my tone, I have made a deliberate effort in the past to separate myself from ASF rhetorically because of how uncomfortable I’ve been with the brand. I’ve heard the terms “Apache developer” and “Apache people” used when referring to people in this community and as a Tlingit developer I’m hesitant to assume a Native-themed identity that isn’t my own. It’s really not the most collaborative attitude and I’ll try to be more inclusive in my discussions from here on. > If option 3 is your choice, then I suppose the next step is working with > members of ASF to determine specific scope of work? Yeah that sounds good to me. Myrle broke down some steps for us earlier: > * Picking a new name and achieving consensus that it's the right name. > * Legally changing the name of The Foundation itself. > * Understanding how this affects the many business relationships the > Foundation has, and mitigating those effects. > * Designing new names and logos for the many brands The Foundation owns, > including project branding (eg "Apache Cassandra") the feather logo, the > incubator logo, etc. > * Registering a new website domain. > * Namespaces/packages/artifact names/etc in The Foundation's many projects. > * Getting OSI approval for a new license identical to "Apache License 2.0", > but under a new name. Getting that new license listed in various license > pickers. > * Marketing the new name so that it reaches a similar level of recognition > as the old name. > * ...all the things I didn't think of. * Picking a new name and achieving consensus that it's the right name. I feel like we’re at this point and progress is maybe being blocked by our lack of new name suggestions. Does anyone have any ideas for a name? I know Ed said something earlier about using the term “First”, is there anything we can do with that? On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:36 PM Ed Mangini <m...@emangini.com> wrote: > I don't think Walters use of "others" is intended to pass the buck. > @Walter, I'm assuming that your intent was to better understand the process > and scope of "how do I make a change in the ASF"? > > I think we agree this is a big task, regardless of avenue. > > > My intent was mostly to gauge/rally interest in a direction that is likely > to gain the most support and volunteers. > > If option 3 is your choice, then I suppose the next step is working with > members of ASF to determine specific scope of work? It's probably worth > identifying blockers up front and evaluating those before starting to apply > elbow grease. > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, 18:18 Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 5:49 PM Walter Cameron > > <walter.li...@waltercameron.com> wrote: > > > > > > My homework above was all about gathering more data to help others > make a > > > decision, but if there’s already an agreement on what needs to be done > > and > > > the board or membership is willing make a change without a poll or vote > > > that’s fine with me, I’m all for getting to the action if change is > > already > > > what’s agreed on here. I’m just trying to work with whatever options > are > > > available to me. > > > > Why "others"? > > > > My hot button is when people use the words like "they" and "others". > > The ASF is the set of people who show up to do the work. As such it > > is constantly growing and shrinking as new people show up and others > > move on to other things. > > > > If you are sincere about being willing to do the work, then you are part > > of us. > > > > - Sam Ruby > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > >
