There is a tendency of men to disregard women's discussion of issues that affect them so, yes, men on a list like this can undermine its purpose.
--Kathleen On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sorry Derric, but I think the topic of this thread is the notion that > many men, including those in administrator roles (e.g. list moderators) > simply don't even recognize misogyny, and don't recognize the importance of > providing systems by which women (and others, for that matter) can easily > limit the ability of people who have caused them problems from continuing to > communicate with them. > > The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no way > for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive "email this user" emails, > or pings through the notification system. We know that both have been, and > continue to be, vectors for harassment and trolling. There's never, to my > knowledge, been any consideration given to including these features. We > keep being told we're going to get this wonderful new communication system > called "Flow" to replace talk pages. Features that allow users to control > who posts to their "page", or even to let non-admin users remove individual > threads or posts from their "stream", aren't included - and I'm not sure > they're even under consideration. > > And I'm going to be honest - I've seen more people blocked for "homophobic" > comments than "misogynistic" ones. > > Nemo, your "Hm, we've discussed that author before... oh well." is really > unhelpful and dismissive - and is pretty much exactly the kind of statement > that Violet Blue is talking about in her article. It comes across as "She > wrote something I didn't agree with in the past, so there's no reason to > ever pay attention to her again". I am really hoping you didn't intend that. > > And Carol has a point. There are now more men posting to this thread than > there are women. And most of you have missed the point entirely. Heaven > help us from those who see themselves as our saviours. > > Risker > > > On 23 June 2014 09:57, Derric Atzrott <datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote: >> >> >> Carol Moore dc, 23/06/2014 06:34: >> >> A lot of women used to be outspoken about all this here when this email >> >> list started, but that stopped after a bunch of guys joined and started >> >> hassling them about it. >> >> SURPRISE!! >> > >> > By looking at this directory, I can tell that I mostly stopped reading >> > this list in January 2012, one week after a fight between two vocal >> > women. >> > >> > Nemo >> >> Nemo and Carol both, I really don't like the direction that this >> discussion is >> going. Can we please steer it back on topic and remember why we are all >> here? >> >> From the Mailing list signup page: >> "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation >> of >> women within Wikimedia projects. >> >> Wikimedia Foundation surveys show that the participation of women in >> Wikipedia >> and related projects are between 9 and 13 percent. This mailing list is >> provided by the Wikimedia Foundation as a communication tool to >> collectively >> address the realities of the gender gap within our projects. We are >> focused >> on discussing solutions and exploring opportunities that may serve as a >> starting point to improve gender equity, increase the participation of >> women >> and trans women, and reduce the impact of the gender gap within Wikipedia, >> Wikimedia Commons, and the 'free knowledge movement'. We want to encourage >> you >> to engage with others in this effort. Your thoughts and opinions in this >> regard matter to us and to the community." >> >> Thank you, >> Derric Atzrott >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
