>If you ask a black artist to paint a picture of a man they will most likely paint a picture of a black man.
A tangent- but this is not strictly true! See: http://mediadiversified.org/2013/12/07/you-cant-do-that-stories-have-to-be-about-white-people/ On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Marie Earley <eir...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Since you've asked Derric... > > When you posted your message, "Can we please steer it back on topic and > remember why we are all here?" > - I was ready to steam in as I misinterpreted it. > > I thought that - as a response to Carol's comment that women get hassled > here and quit the list - you were saying, "We're not supposed to be talking > about women getting hassled, we're supposed to be talking about why women > leave." (I was going to say, "but they left precisely BECAUSE they were > being hassled".) > > Fortunately I read your next message in time not to steam in. > > Perhaps instead of: > > > "Nemo and Carol both, I really don't like the direction that this > discussion is going. Can we please steer it back on topic and remember why > we are all here?" > > ...something along the lines of, > > "I'm sure there are lots of examples people could give of poor behaviour > on this list. Since the purpose of this list is "...discussing solutions > and exploring opportunities that may serve as a starting point to improve > gender equity, increase the participation of women and trans women, and > reduce the impact of the gender gap within Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, > and the 'free knowledge movement'." then perhaps we should discuss measures > that would tackle such poor behaviour." > > Also if you ask a white artist to paint a picture of a man they will most > likely paint a picture of a white man. If you ask a black artist to paint a > picture of a man they will most likely paint a picture of a black man. > Neither are being racist. It's worth remembering that men - no matter how > progressive or forward thinking - experience the world as men and women > experience the world as women. > > There's a well known workplace experiment where a group of men are put in > one room and given a task and a group of women are put in another room and > given the same task. The women invariably put everything on the coffee > table in front of them, lean forward, and work collaboratively. Meanwhile > in the men are choosing someone who will lead them, Mr Alpha Male then goes > and stands by the white board taking ideas from the room. Neither room is > being sexist, it is just how the respective genders like to work. > > I also can't help but notice that solutions being put forward seem to be > of the latter, male orientated 'from-the-top-down' variety. > > Marie > > > From: datzr...@alizeepathology.com > > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:05:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] men on lists > > > > > Would anybody object to me hijacking this thread to use as a sort of > meta thread for what just happened? I have further questions and things to > explain and get feedback on. I can start another thread if wanted. > > > > This whole situation sort of reminds me of when I tried suggesting on > Wikitech-l that people make use of NVC and people were really offended. > Like there my intention was never to come off as condescending, but > apparently I am just really awful at not coming off that way via email. I'd > like to work on that and also find out what sort of things men on this list > can do to make the environment better are and in specific myself. I think a > polite discussion of what just happened would help advance all of those > goals. > > > > Thank you, > > Derric Atzrott > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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