Hi, I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the community, both users community but also dev communities. So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation.
I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg, Hudi, Paimon, ...). Regards JB On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2), > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement, > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community. > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack > of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate > the remaining concern. > > Thanks, > Jesús > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > [2] Apache Iceberg: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > [3] Apache Hudi: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach <cwsteinb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Jesús, > > > > This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator. > > > > It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you > > also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden > > the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta > > communities? > > > > Thanks. > > > > - Carl > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > > jcama...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to > > > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people. > > > > > > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are > > working > > > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with any > > > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing some > > > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during > > > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share it > > > in this thread. > > > > > > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're > > > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're > > > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before > > pushing > > > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the > > ASF > > > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or > > > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on previous > > > instances would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesús > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > jbono...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me. > > > > > > > > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache > > > > projects. > > > > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :) > > > > > > > > Thanks ! > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez > > > > <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - > > OneTable. > > > > > > > > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that > > > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query > > > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table > > > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake. > > > > > > > > > > Here is the proposal - > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal > > > > > > > > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the > > > > project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], > > > > Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [ > > > > jbono...@apache.org]. > > > > > > > > > > We are looking forward to your feedback! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Jesús > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
