Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin later today if possible.
-Jesús On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2), > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement, > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community. > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack > of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate > the remaining concern. > > Thanks, > Jesús > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > [2] Apache Iceberg: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > [3] Apache Hudi: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach <cwsteinb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Jesús, >> >> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator. >> >> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you >> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden >> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta >> communities? >> >> Thanks. >> >> - Carl >> >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < >> jcama...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people. >> > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are >> working >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with >> any >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing >> some >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share >> it >> > in this thread. >> > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before >> pushing >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the >> ASF >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on >> previous >> > instances would be appreciated. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jesús >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < >> jbono...@apache.org> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me. >> > > >> > > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache >> > > projects. >> > > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project :) >> > > >> > > Thanks ! >> > > Regards >> > > JB >> > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez >> > > <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi All, >> > > > >> > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - >> OneTable. >> > > > >> > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats that >> > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and query >> > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source table >> > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake. >> > > > >> > > > Here is the proposal - >> > > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal >> > > > >> > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the >> > > project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], >> > > Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré [ >> > > jbono...@apache.org]. >> > > > >> > > > We are looking forward to your feedback! >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Jesús >> > > > >> > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable >> > > >> > >> >
