Re: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE)
On Friday 05 November 2010 22:51:01 Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 02:26:31 2010 From: Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:27:38 +0200 Subject: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and only those nameservers. (That's glue.) There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts in the .au zone. sure there is. Domain: foo.com (an aussie company) nameservers ns1.alicesprings.au, ns2.umelbourneatperth.au I think we're agreeing violently ;) The nameservers for the .com zone, when asked about foo.com, should reply with the hostnames of the two nameservers. It shouldn't reply with their IP addresses; the only nameservers that can do that are the ones serving the .au zone or the alicesprings.au and umelbourneatperth.au zones. They're still wrong to bw whinging about a lack o glue records. glue is needed _only_ when the nameserver is _in_ the domain it is the authoritative servr for. So, in the above frivolous example, foo.com does *NOT* need any glue records, but if ns1.alicesprings.au is an authoritative server for alicesprings.au, then *it* needs a glue record for that domain. Well, the glue record will be ``above the cut'': if .au delegates alicesprings.au, it's the .au nameserver that provides the A record for ns1.alicesprings.au; but, yes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
zfs performance issues with iscsi (istgt)
After scratching my head for a few weeks, I've decided to ask for some help. First, I've got two machines connected by gigabit ethernet, network performance is not a problem as I am able to substantially saturate the wire when not using iscsi [say iperf] or ftp. Both systems are 8.1-RELENG. They are both multi-core, 8G of RAM. Symptoms: When doing writes (size relatively independent) from a client to a server via iSCSI I seem to be hitting a wall between 18-26MB/s of write. This can be repeated continuously whether doing a newfs on a 2TB iscsi volume or doing a dd from /dev/zero to the iscsi target. I haven't compared read performance. What originally put me on to this was watching the newfs *fly* across the screen, and then hang for several seconds, and then *fly* again, and then pause. This looked like a write-delay problem, so I tweaked txgwrite values and/or the synctime values. This showed some improvements (iostat showed something closer to continuous write performance to the server but there was still a delay whether the write_limit was 384MB all the way up to 4GB. This tells me the spindles weren't holding the throughput back. The iostat size was never much beyond 20-26MB/s, peaks were frequently two-three times that, but then it would be 1MB/s for a few seconds which would bring us back to this average). CPU and network load were never the limiting factor, nor did the spindles ever get above 20-30% busy. So I added two USB keys that write at around 30-40MB/s, and mirrored them as a ZIL log. iostat verifies they are being used, but not continuously, it seems that the txgwrite value applies to writing to the ZIL. I also tried turning off the ZIL log and saw no particular performance increase (or decrease). When newfs (which jumps around a lot more than dd) the performance throughput does not change much at all. Even at 26K-40K pps, interrupt loads and such are not problematic, turning on polling does not change the performance appreciably. The server is a RAIDZ2 of 15 drives @ 2TB each. So *write* throughput should be pretty fast sequentially (i.e. the dd case), but it is returning identically. This server does nothing much but istgt -- tried NCQ values from 255 down to 32 to no improvement. Even though network performance was not showing a particular limit, I *did* get from 18MB/s to 26MB/s by tweaking tcp sendbuf* and tcp send* values way beyond reason even though the TCP throughput hadn't been a problem in non iscsi operations. So whatever i'm doing is not addressing the particular problem. The drives have plenty of available I/O, but instead of using it, or the RAM in the system, or the ZIL in the system, it seems largely idle, pegs the system with continuous (but not max speed) writes and halts the network transfers, and then continues on its way. Even if its a threading issue (i.e. we are single threading) there should be some way to make this behave like a normal system considering how much RAM, SSD, and other resources I'm trying to through at this thing. For example, after the buffer starts to empty, additional writes from the client should be accepted and NCQ should help reorder to process them in an efficient fashion, etc, etc. istgt settings: istgt version 0.3 istgt extra version 20100707 MaxSessions 32 MaxConnections 32 FirstBurstLength 65536 MaxBurstLength 262144 MaxRecvDataSegmentLength 262144 Local benchmarks like dd if=/dev/zero of=/tank/dump bs=1M count=12000 returns like 200MB/s. 12582912000 bytes transferred in 61.140903 secs (205801867 bytes/sec), and show continuous (as expected) writes to the spindles. (200MB/s is pretty close to the max I/O speed we can expect given the port the controller is in and RAID overhead, etc with 7200 RPM drives, at 5900 RPM the number is about 80MB/s). If this is an istgt problem, is there a way to get reasonable performance out of it? I know I'm not losing my mind here, so if someone has tackled this particular problem (or its sort), please chime in and let me know what tunable I'm missing. :) Thanks very much, in advance, DJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: zfs performance issues with iscsi (istgt)
On 08.11.2010 09:13, DJ wrote: After scratching my head for a few weeks, I've decided to ask for some help. First, I've got two machines connected by gigabit ethernet, network performance is not a problem as I am able to substantially saturate the wire when not using iscsi [say iperf] or ftp. Both systems are 8.1-RELENG. They are both multi-core, 8G of RAM. Symptoms: When doing writes (size relatively independent) from a client to a server via iSCSI I seem to be hitting a wall between 18-26MB/s of write. This can be repeated continuously whether doing a newfs on a 2TB iscsi volume or doing a dd from /dev/zero to the iscsi target. I haven't compared read performance. What originally put me on to this was watching the newfs *fly* across the screen, and then hang for several seconds, and then *fly* again, and then pause. I'll snip down this mail a little bit to ask some control questions (having recently had quite a wrestle with iSCSI myself). -Is jumbo frames involved? (and enabled on the initiator, all switches in between, and the target) -What's the number of PPS (some switches have PPS issues, which becomes painfully relevant for small block IO)? (I got rid of most of my problems when I replaced the Netgear GS724Tv3 switch with a Cisco SG-300) -Are you running digests? -Do you have TSO/TSOv2 enabled at the endpoints? -Does top -HSC reveal anything? -Does systat -vmstat 1 reveal anything? -What's the ICMP (ping) roundtrip times between the initiator and target IPs? //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: portmaster question
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the -u -p flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal. Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR? I hope so, or I have a correction to make... Yes, unless -F is used, in which case -R causes a checksum-recursive target to be used. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 11, Message: 4
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:00:34 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Julian Fagir g...@physik.tu-berlin.de wrote:
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code?
...
1 #include stdlib.h
2 #include string.h
3 #include stdio.h
4
5 // Change this for a more accurate result.
6 long max = 1;
7 double a, b;
8 double pi;
9 long counter;
10 long i;
11
12 int main() {
13 for (i = 0; i max; i++) {
14 a = drand48();
15 b = drand48();
16 if (a*a + b*b = 1)
17 counter++;
18 }
19 pi = 4*counter;
Surely that should be 'pi = 4 * counter / max;' otherwise even if the
integer counter were only 1 (of 1), pi would already be 4 :)
20
21 printf(%e\n, pi);
22 return(0);
23 }
...
This approximation is stupid ... Just take 'random' numbers and
look whether they are in a circle (that's the a*a + b*b = 1).
Not stupid, clever. Very clever. I rather doubt it resembles what
the OP had in mind, but it is a brilliant example of what can be
accomplished when one casts aside any perceived need to adopt a
conventional approach.
Agreed, quite elegant. Geometry being a bit rusty, I had to sketch it
to really see it as simply the ratio of the area of the first quadrant
of the unit circle (pi/4) to that of the unit square (1.0), times 4.
The detail of this approximation heavily depends on the pseudo-rng
you are using, as does its correctness
Perhaps it would be useful in a PRNG test suite?
(e.g., when your 'rng' always returns 10, pi would be computed to
be 10) ...
Bad example. If abs(drand48()) always exceeded (0.5 * sqrt(2.0)),
a*a + b*b would always exceed 1.0, thus counter would never be
incremented and pi would be reported as zero.
That'd be one pretty sad PRNG :) but testing variance of the above
algorithm's result to best known double pi is likely a useful test.
And while a square enclosing a circle, it's hardly squaring the circle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle .. but an interesting
read nonetheless for unrequited seekers of pi-foo :)
cheers, Ian
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:29 +, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to read the man page every time you want to do something you're not familiar with. Not fully. The strength of the command line is (1st) that things you learned can easily be transferred to new topics, and (2nd) you can conclude from what you already know. GUI usually is a discover new things each time; as a good example I may point you to famous office suits that tend to re-arrange their functionality with each release. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of characters. Okay, you're comparing visual memory (looks like) to the use of language (a foreign one, admitted), which is a basic cultural means (the use of a language). Following your argument, it is obvious that many GUI applications are NOT well-designed, as they force their users to continuously re-discover and re-learn things. Additionally, GUI prohibits giving clear instructions. Those that can be copied+pased are out of scope, of course. Instructions look like childrens books - full of pictures. This is logical as there is no benefit in DESCRIBING those pictures - would be too much text, text scares users. Learning CLI is like learning a language: If you're once familiar with the elements of the language (its vocabulary, its syntax, its use), you can express ANYTHING with it. With GUI, you're just free to choose from a predefined and LIMITED set of options. You can choose from ready-made sentences, but you can't express your own statements. The CLI approach leads to a continuous growth of knowledge (that is portable), while the GUI approach often just leads into stagnation. A real benefit of GUI, as I can admit without any problems, is that people judge by first sight. This is a visual impression that has nothing to do with any knowledge, it's just like saying I like Da Vinci's 'Mona Lisa', but I don't like Edvard Munch's 'Scream'. Keep in mind this is a VALID statement that does not require any knowledge to be formed. By well-designed GUI, products can easily be placed on markets. Advertising based on visual impression works much better for masses (!) than product presentation based on actual features (that require knowledge to form a statement about them). A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in Windows I can use the menu option TortoiseSVN - branch/tag... to create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a year or so. In a different Subversion GUI client, this functionality may be found at a completely different place. CLI applications usually have more things in common than GUI applications. That said, you can easily see why generic UNIX knowledge, no matter if achieved on BSD, Solaris, Linux or AIX, is portable, while GUI knowledge, achieved in a Windows of version N, is not portable to version N+1, as it is outdated. There even is no generic knowledge, one may assume. Let me ensure you that I'm NOT against GUI generically. I'm even lazy when it comes to reconsidering my daily habits of interacting with the system. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:41:09 -0800, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Up to a point, yes. But as options become more complex, either the GUI must also become more complex or you reach the tipping point where the complexity warrants the use of language instead of gestures. This is a valid point. There was a statement - no idea who said or wrote that - expressing it well, and I'm sure I'm mapping it into context right now: GUI makes simple tasks simpler. It also makes complex tasks impossible. As a GUI is only choosing from a predefined subset of options, complex tasks make the corresponding GUI more complex. This may proceed until the GUI isn't usable anymore. At this point, it gets abandoned, naturally. According to your point gestures vs. languages: Consider being a child. When you didn't have the ability to use language, you did point to objects and made a sound, ga! or dah! or whatever. Later on, when you learned to use the language, it started at not being perfect, but you kept learning it and then used it to express wishes, thoughts, needs. In this way, you did abandon pointing and dah!. Why? It should have worked continuously - e. g. there was no obvious reason others would stop interacting with you at that non-language level. But that is how intellectual development works. It is an evolutionary consideration. Applying this to GUI and CLI concepts, GUI, pointing and clicking, resembles the childish way of nonverbal communication. CLI, forming statements using a language, is like verbal communication. The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling and experience, but are useless to those who want to achieve a certain goal with it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks are concerned. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that it was worthless, just that I believe the efficiency works the other way sometimes. For example I did Linux development for a while earlier this year and found it to be extremely inefficient compared to working in Windows, due to overuse of terminals and command-line operation - and I grew up running BBC BASIC and have been using FreeBSD for many years. I love having the command-line available and indeed often develop software using just an xterm but I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time, because I have to mouse around a lot. Hmm. I wonder which I should choose. Why choose? Combine efficiently! :-) I select and middle click to paste quite a lot. This is much better than the ^C/^V approach, as seems to be supported by every application, no matter which echosystem it comes from. Every? Erm... no. Did I recently talk about bloat? About reduction of functionality? I did. Allow me to elaborate on an example. It's a Gtk version 2 example. Let's say it's X-Chat 2. It's the channel selection dialog on startup. In version 1 (using Gtk), you could select an item from a list using doubleclick on that item. In version 2, you are forced to select the item with one click, move the mouse to a button and then click that. First: t(2cl) t(1cl + move + 1cl). Then what happens if you still doubleclick on a list item? It becomes an input field. Well, hmmm... could be useful. Let's put some text in there from another program window. Oops, the window lost focus, and the input field got a list item again! Okay, not a big deal, we'll be back soon. After selecting the text (e. g. in a browser, a text editor, whatever), again clicking the list item, it gets an input field. Middle mouse... erm, middle mouse... middle mouse... why doesn't this work? Buffer empty? Check in an xterm... no, text is in the buffer. WHAT'S WRONG?! So what did Gtk 2 achieve here? 1. increased time for selection 2. inability to use copy / paste 3. - the most annoying one - FORCING to type (even if this just means ^C/^V) I really can't stand it when BASIC functionality disappears with NO understandable effect. Fatter libraries, longer time until program is up, and then everything gets slower and much less productive -- that must be bloat. I'm not opposed to use of the GUI per se; I just use TUIs much more often, because I use them for tasks that I perform an awful lot if they happen to benefit (in terms of efficiency and productivity) by the use of a TUI. When they don't, I use a GUI instead. That exactly is an educated standpoint - use whatever tool is the best - instead of insisting that the tool HAS TO BE a GUI tool, like saying: But I WANT the screwdriver to be a drill! I've ALWAYS used screwdrivers as drills, and EVERYONE uses screwdrivers as drills! Oh, and it should work as a hammer, too. By the way, TUI (text user interface) doesn't imply that is has to be CLI (command line interface). A famous example from by daily use is the Midnight Commander, a file manager that DOES IT CORRECTLY. As many (most?) things you do is a source-target- opertion (copying, moving, symlinking), the two-panel mode is the ideal solution. Good keyboard controls and the use of the very useful function keys is one of its strengths. Still, it does operate in text mode (defaults to 80x25, but can be used at any window size), so you can easily work with it over a serial line or SSH. GUI usually means abstraction. Abstraction adds layers, in this way or another. At some point, this is good as you can fit things together, but at some point, it gets unusable because you can't address the things directly you NEED to address directly. I wouldn't be willing to waste the time on little inefficiencies every single time I did *anything* with Subversion just for the dubious benefit of a one-time efficiency benefit once a year because I didn't remember off the top of my head how to branch, though. From computer science, just see what O notation means, and see that constant compexity is traditionally better than linear complexity: O(1) O(n). :-) I suppose your mileage may vary, though. It always depends on individual preferences, talents, knowledge and experience. I'm always impressed by people who are more advanced than me, who use minimalistic environments and can work faster, more productive, more relaxed. Allthough the tools they use may look archaic, not modern, old and difficult to me, given knowledge and experience they DE FACTO are better for them. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: [...] I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. Yes. Plain YES. I'm just waiting for the GUI that actually DOES that. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
UFS
Hi,
We have a problem with a few of our users.
And I'm a bit speechless since I understood what are our commercials
doing... Whatever...
We are providing a pre-configured FreeBSD distribution, for
videosurveillance prupose.
It seems the machines sold with our distribution may come with at max 44TB
RAID space.
And more likely, all the RAID space is allocated in an only partition (UFS).
Note that these servers includes only 2GB of RAM.
So, since a few, custommers are calling, telling us that there's a problem
with their RAID space.
As far as I know, all these users are running our FreeBSD-6.2 based version.
They try to run fsck, wait and eventually fsck stops, saying it can't
do anything (I haven't the exact error message...).
My boss came, and asked me wether I think upgrading these custommers to our
7.2 based version would fix that.
I told him I'm not up to date about that kind of info. But more likely,
UFS/fsck worked fine in 6.2, no way there's such a big change in 7 branch.
In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an
additional drive, make a huge swap file...
Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would at
least take days.
In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way?
Regards,
--
Samuel Martín Moro
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FRANCE
Nobody wants to say how this works.
Maybe nobody knows ...
Xorg.conf(5)
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
El día Monday, November 08, 2010 a las 10:56:00AM +0100, Polytropon escribió: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time, because I have to mouse around a lot. Hmm. I wonder which I should choose. Why choose? Combine efficiently! :-) ... Hi folks, I think this philosofic discussion has little or nothing todo with FreeBSD. Could you move this elsewhere, or off-list? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:00:59 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: [...] I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. Yes. Plain YES. I'm just waiting for the GUI that actually DOES that. :-) Try KDevelop. It brings together an editor, file manager, debugger, etc. into a single application. Similarly I find the KDE file manager can increase productivity for _certain_ things such as working on a remote filesystem (via ssh/samba/ftp) because it brings ssh/ftp functionality to a file manager. I do still find it more efficient to use the command-line when working locally though :) -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster question
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com articulated: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the -u -p flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal. Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR? I hope so, or I have a correction to make... From the man: -a --allDo with all the installed packages. Equivalent to specify '*' as pkgname_glob. -r --recursive Act on all those packages depending on the given packages as well. -R --upward-recursive Act on all those packages required by the given packages as well. (When specified with -F, fetch recursively, including the brand new, uninstalled ports that an upgraded port requires) I don't see anything that specifically states the the -R or -r flags are in included with the -a flag; although I might be misinterpreting it. If it was implied i think it should have been better documented. Perhaps the only way to positively ascertain the correct answer would be to actually study the apps code, something I have neither the time nor inclination to do. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UFS
On 11/08/10 11:01, Samuel Martín Moro wrote: In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an additional drive, make a huge swap file... Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would at least take days. In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way? Basically, no. You can't expect fsck a 44 TB drive with 2 GB of RAM, there is too much information to be kept while checking. However, IIRC there have been some committed patches in 7 and later which reduced the amount of memory so going with at least 7-STABLE would be better. It would of course be even better to go with 8-STABLE or wait for 9.0 which should be released in several months and then either use UFS-SUJ or ZFS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
static linking with gfortran?
On ia64 -current I'm trying to statically link against gfortran45 libraries, following from GCC fortran wiki (http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GFortranGettingStarted) : % gfortran45 -static mach-fort.f90 -o z % file z z: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, IA-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped % ./z ELF binary type 0 not known. ./z: Exec format error. Binary file not executable. What am I missing? many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a utillity...?
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 03:55:28 pm Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Nov 02), Gary Kline said: On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 01:44:37AM +, Bruce Cran wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2010 01:17:00 Gary Kline wrote: The Bps Down is supposed to me 1M. Up is 864Kbps. I spent hours googling around and trying things. So far, not much. ---It occured that I _might_ be geting the full thru-put; that it is data that is flowing in via the background that stalls things. (I have just shut off the automated flow.) You can run systat -if to see how much bandwidth is being used by the computer. At 1M you should see around 120KB/s downlink. Yes... outstanding. Is there any sort of GUI app tat has this in a geaph or histogram? Not a gui app, but I use netstat -I em0 1 a lot to watch my network activity. Replace em0 with your nic device. Gkrellm is a gui app that gives you little network histograms for each interface, but they're little :) Text based real time graphing: slurm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a problem. The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See geli(8), especially the -a option. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ersmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the checksum doesnt match etc? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster question
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:22:55 -0500
Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:
I don't see anything that specifically states the the -R or -r
flags are in included with the -a flag; although I might be
misinterpreting it. If it was implied i think it should have been
better documented.
-aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former.
I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed
packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package
that isn't in the set of all installed packages. The remaining question
is whether -Ra also recurses though new dependencies, and that's covered
in the entry for -R.
It doesn't really matter though, since -aRr is only a waste of
keystrokes.
Perhaps the only way to positively ascertain the correct answer would
be to actually study the apps code,
opts.def_option(-a, --all,
Do with all the installed packages) {
|$all|
$recursive = false
$upward_recursive = false
}
...
opts.def_option(-r, --recursive,
Do with all those depending on the given packages
NEXTLINE as well) {
$recursive = true unless $all
}
opts.def_option(-R, --upward-recursive,
Do with all those required by the given packages
NEXTLINE as well / Fetch recursively if -F is specified) {
$upward_recursive = true unless $all
$fetch_recursive = true
}
...
if $fetch_recursive
cmdargs 'checksum-recursive'
else
cmdargs 'checksum'
end
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Re: ZFS License and Future
On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote: On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a problem. The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See geli(8), especially the -a option. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ersmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the checksum doesnt match etc? Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. -- Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like. -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing files
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: hi, I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can guide me for the same. I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different *input folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for the same. /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete rm -R *.chk rm -R *.log rm -R *.gjk Or am I missing something. jerry thank you. regards, sweety. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote: On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote: On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a problem. The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See geli(8), especially the -a option. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ersmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the checksum doesnt match etc? Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:43:01AM +, Bruce Cran wrote: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks are concerned. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that it was worthless, just that I believe the efficiency works the other way sometimes. For example I did Linux development for a while earlier this year and found it to be extremely inefficient compared to working in Windows, due to overuse of terminals and command-line operation - and I grew up running BBC BASIC and have been using FreeBSD for many years. I love having the command-line available and indeed often develop software using just an xterm but I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. You probably found it inefficient because you did not bother to gain sufficient familiarity with it to enjoy the efficiencies it provided. Seriously. In my experience, development on MS Windows with clicky GUI tools like Visual Studio only seems more efficient when doing things that are very well-worn paths to very uninteresting destinations for people who have never bothered to learn a better way. A well-configured Vim provides a substantial efficiency boost for the competent user that dwarfs the dubious benefits of things like Intellisense, for instance. When developing software in a Unix(-like) environment, I typically have *several* terminals open, running different programs. For Ruby, for instance, I might have a Vim terminal, an irb terminal, and a test suite terminal, possibly including a second buffer in the test suite terminal for running the program separately when appropriate -- rather than just using just an xterm -- and it works better than any Visual Studio setup I've encountered on MS Windows for similar development. In fact, there are whole classes of software that are effectively impossible to develop effectively on MS Windows; it doesn't get much more inefficient than that. Sometimes a GUI that brings things together can help. You're right about that. Unfortunately, such GUIs usually shoot themselves in the foot by not just bringing things together, but actually replacing them so that the benefits of the separate things are lost, resulting in a net loss of productivity enhancement. That's what I get from IDEs like Visual Studio. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpbkrmkvI7BP.pgp Description: PGP signature
how to trace /dev/gpt/label to adaX to conroller?
iH, Is there any easy straight forward way to trace my /dev/gpt/data.zfs disk to what ada device it is, and on what controller? I've traced it manually by doing a gpart list adaX |grep data.zfs on each adaX device, then somehow I found out what controller it is on [I think by manually looking at serial number of the disk, and tracing cables]. This was easy when I had 2 disks, but now I have 4, and figure there could be an easier way instead of doing a 'for i' loop on each adaX device, tracing cables, etc. FreeBSD 8-STABLE if it makes a difference. ]Peter[ I'm prolly doing something wrong. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 11/08/10 16:08, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote:
On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote:
On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra
features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important
data
can do without checksuming.
I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what
kind of
external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a
problem.
The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See
geli(8),
especially the -a option.
Roland
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im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to
be a
fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it
doesnt
adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the
checksum doesnt match etc?
Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is
recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially
malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the
fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to
make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data.
But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are
to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap
for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for
error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less
net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?)
Presuming you're talking about ZFS, the hash isn't intended to correct
hardware errors, it's only there to detect them. Correction comes from
mirroring or the use of RAIDZ{1,2,3}. (I have personal experience of how
well that works, as I had a disk in a RAIDZ array go bad suddenly, and I
didn't lose any data.) Any new solution would almost certainly mimic
ZFS's approach of arranging the data as a Merkel tree, and using
multiple copies or N out of M shares for correction. I'm not sure GEOM's
block orientation fits well with Merkel trees though, although I'd be
happy to be corrected by a GEOM expert.
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Entropy Key for FreeBSD?
Hi, Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key http://www.entropykey.com/ for use with FreeBSD? As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with better skills already did? FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:32:20 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: You probably found it inefficient because you did not bother to gain sufficient familiarity with it to enjoy the efficiencies it provided. Seriously. In my experience, development on MS Windows with clicky GUI tools like Visual Studio only seems more efficient when doing things that are very well-worn paths to very uninteresting destinations for people who have never bothered to learn a better way. A well-configured Vim provides a substantial efficiency boost for the competent user that dwarfs the dubious benefits of things like Intellisense, for instance. If you're clicking lots you're doing something wrong :) I think the key thing is well-configured. I've found that far too many users have poorly-configured systems that require them to drop to a terminal and type commands when they want to run builds, find where something's defined etc. That involves find, grep etc. which is far less efficient than clicking the (the built-in) Go to definition command or hitting the shortcut key within an IDE; I know the same can be done in vim by defining macros for building, running ctags/cscope etc. I'm not convinced about IntelliSense either, really. At one job I found people dependended totally on it, and complained when it broke. I find I use it as a productivity enhancement when I know roughly what parameters a function takes but can't remember the ordering - it's more useful when you have a huge framework like Java or .NET, or an overly complex API like WinAPI (e.g. CreateFile). Too many people _do_ depend on it though, which I think introduces an inefficiency in their work. In terms of efficient use of Visual Studio it takes time to learn and become a competent user: for example I hardly ever use the menus since they're so slow to access. I hardly leave the keyboard and hate watching people waste time for example clicking Build, moving to the Build Solution entry and clicking when I could have done it in a fraction of the time using Ctrl-Shift-B. I know vim, with suitable plugins and macros, can be made to be more efficient than Visual Studio since it doesn't require ever using the mouse but the upfront investment in time to learn and configure it is something I've never done, mainly because I've always had more important things to learn and the inefficiencies of GUI editors don't really worry me. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Mon 08 Nov 2010 at 02:06:24 PST Matthias Apitz wrote: I think this philosofic discussion has little or nothing todo with FreeBSD. Could you move this elsewhere, or off-list? Thanks It's also a very very OLD argument. Surely the debating points have already been collected on a webpage somewhere? If not, I would suggest the participants direct their energies into creating one, so that their wisdom shall be preserved for posterity. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UFS
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: On 11/08/10 11:01, Samuel Martín Moro wrote: In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an additional drive, make a huge swap file... Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would at least take days. In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way? Basically, no. You can't expect fsck a 44 TB drive with 2 GB of RAM, there is too much information to be kept while checking. However, IIRC there have been some committed patches in 7 and later which reduced the amount of memory so going with at least 7-STABLE would be better. It would of course be even better to go with 8-STABLE or wait for 9.0 which should be released in several months and then either use UFS-SUJ or ZFS. Another option would to place UFS on top a gjournal then your fsck become much, much less intensive. However there are several problems with this suggestion as gjournal isn't available for your version, and adding gjournal to an existing FS is a non-trivial task and would probably not be feasible. Perhaps you could evaluate it for your next product build though. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See geli(8), especially the -a option. snip im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the checksum doesnt match etc? Personally I've never enabled the checksumming because, and I quote from geli(8), This will reduce size of available storage and also reduce speed. Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. But with geli(8) one can choose between HMAC/MD5, HMAC/SHA1, HMAC/RIPEMD160, HMAC/SHA256, HMAC/SHA384 and HMAC/SHA512. With the recommeded HMAC/SHA256 you'll loose 11% of the provider's capacity. Presumably MD5 is fastest while SHA512 is the slowest, while MD5 has a higher chance of collisions. But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by true forward-error-correction. But if you want to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: - Calculate a checksum of a data block in memory. - Write the data block to disk (with write caching disabled to make as sure as possible that the data is on disk when the write finishes. That is a _huge_ performance penalty) - Read the data back from disk (and not from the cache!) and compare with the original checksum. - If the read checksum control fails, mark the block as bad and repeat at another location Personally I don't see how this is going to be fast without compromising on correctness. If you keep the disk write cache enabled to the best of my knowledge there is no way for the OS to know for sure that the data is actually on the plates, so the read-back and comparison stage might not mean anything. And for SSDs we might need another type of filesystem entirely. Some concepts in UFS2 (like e.g. cylinder groups) pretty much useless on SSDs. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpKFkwsVfoVZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
apache13 to apache22
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Re: portmaster question
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, RW wrote: -aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former. I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package that isn't in the set of all installed packages. That sentence makes me a little dizzy. I think you mean that since -a is equivalent to listing all packages on the command line, -r or -R are redundant. So portupgrade \* (i.e., -a) is a superset of portupgrade -r libexample because all the dependencies of libexample are included in the \* and so portupgrade will see they need to be updated because a port they depend on has been updated... Right? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 08.11.2010 18:47, Arthur Chance wrote:
*snip*
Presuming you're talking about ZFS, the hash isn't intended to correct
hardware errors, it's only there to detect them. Correction comes from
mirroring or the use of RAIDZ{1,2,3}. (I have personal experience of how
well that works, as I had a disk in a RAIDZ array go bad suddenly, and I
didn't lose any data.) Any new solution would almost certainly mimic
ZFS's approach of arranging the data as a Merkel tree, and using
multiple copies or N out of M shares for correction. I'm not sure GEOM's
block orientation fits well with Merkel trees though, although I'd be
happy to be corrected by a GEOM expert.
No, I'm talking about knowing that a file has been corrupted is a little
better than not knowing it has been corrupted. But it still won't help
bring back the file.
And I'm ... all too familiar with redundancy strategies (and backups).
Including their shortcomings. Speaking of which: Has there been any
progress on properly backing up ZFS on FreeBSD yet? (including the metadata)
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Re: apache13 to apache22
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the .css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the same directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I got the blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I checked the apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? AFAIK they're not. It sounds like the stylesheet isn't being served up (white background is default). Examine the apache error log. By default it's in /var/log. Also look in the regular apache log and it could be the stylesheet is getting a 404. Is server root the same in httpd.conf for 2.2 as it is for 1.3? Could be the cause of the problem. 2.2 uses a different root by default IIRC. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD?
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Sorry to repeat my question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html but I got no replies at all. Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? TIA, -cpghost. I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video card, works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet. Ah, thank you. Good to know. Did you try something 3D, or just the usual 2D stuff (e.g. dri/drm etc...)? It's 3D acceleration I'm interested in, particular the new OpenGL APIs -- and with a bit of luck, CUDA and/or OpenCL stuff as well. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by true forward-error-correction. But if you want to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from those ECC blocks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction http://www.eccpage.com/ -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing files
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:48:18AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: hi, I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can guide me for the same. I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different *input folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for the same. /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete rm -R *.chk rm -R *.log rm -R *.gjk Or am I missing something. jerry It could be that the OP has more files than the glob can handle. (With most shells there's a restrictionor used to be). I'm also reluctant to use a glob with rm without the -i. With find(1) you can do a dry run first before giving it the -delete argument. The OP also wants to use -maxdepth 1 with find(1) if he doesn't want to traverse the tree below his target dir. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:38 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Sorry to repeat my question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html but I got no replies at all. Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? TIA, -cpghost. I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video card, works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet. Ah, thank you. Good to know. Did you try something 3D, or just the usual 2D stuff (e.g. dri/drm etc...)? It's 3D acceleration I'm interested in, particular the new OpenGL APIs -- and with a bit of luck, CUDA and/or OpenCL stuff as well. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ For shiggles I set up e17 with bling. Works just fine. my laptop can't really do all that much but this seems to work well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 08.11.2010 21:44, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by true forward-error-correction. But if you want to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from those ECC blocks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction http://www.eccpage.com/ Something along those lines was what I had in mind. ;) //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: removing files
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 08:49:12PM +, Frank Shute wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:48:18AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: hi, I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can guide me for the same. I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different *input folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for the same. /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete rm -R *.chk rm -R *.log rm -R *.gjk Or am I missing something. jerry It could be that the OP has more files than the glob can handle. (With most shells there's a restrictionor used to be). I'm also reluctant to use a glob with rm without the -i. With find(1) you can do a dry run first before giving it the -delete argument. Well, if that is the problem, find is the answer. It should do everything he wants. jerry The OP also wants to use -maxdepth 1 with find(1) if he doesn't want to traverse the tree below his target dir. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
pam services under ldap
Hello List I am attempting to setup various pam modules to consult our new LDAP services in order to do what it needs to do. My LDAP server is FreeBSD but the clients are CentOS... I have setup my /etc/pam.d sudo file on the client (for example) this way in the attempt to accomplish this via LDAP: [r...@vircent03:~]#cat /etc/pam.d/sudo #%PAM-1.0 auth include system-auth auth required pam_ldap.so accountinclude system-auth accountrequired pam_ldap.so password include system-auth password required pam_ldap.so sessionoptional pam_keyinit.so revoke sessionrequired pam_limits.so sessionrequired pam_ldap.so but even tho the user is part of the %wheel group under LDAP it is unable to sudo to any other account (including root). If I try to sudo this is what happens: [bluethu...@vircent03:~]#sudo bash [sudo] password for bluethundr: bluethundr is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. It would appear that sudo support for ldap is compiled in: [r...@vircent03:~]#ldd $(which sudo)| grep -i ldap libldap-2.3.so.0 = /usr/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0 (0x00552000) This is how I setup my ldap.conf file [r...@vircent03:~]#cat /etc/openldap/ldap.conf # # LDAP Defaults # # See ldap.conf(5) for details # This file should be world readable but not world writable. #BASE dc=example, dc=com #URIldap://ldap.example.com ldap://ldap-master.example.com:666 #SIZELIMIT 12 #TIMELIMIT 15 #DEREF never URI ldap://ldap.acadaca.net/ BASE dc=acadaca,dc=net TLS_CACERTDIR /etc/openldap/cacerts sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net In my openldap logs on the LDAP server there appears to be no activity when I sudo. however in the secure logs on the client I do.. Nov 8 16:05:34 VIRCENT03 su: pam_unix(su-l:session): session opened for user root by bluethundr(uid=500) Nov 8 16:05:37 VIRCENT03 su: pam_unix(su-l:session): session opened for user bluethundr by bluethundr(uid=0) Nov 8 16:05:44 VIRCENT03 sudo: bluethundr : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/5 ; PWD=/home/bluethundr ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/bash I do see other events in secure.log that appear to be pam successes however. am i interpreting this correctly that at least part of the system is communicating with pam on the ldap server? thanks -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote: And I'm ... all too familiar with redundancy strategies (and backups). Including their shortcomings. Speaking of which: Has there been any progress on properly backing up ZFS on FreeBSD yet? (including the metadata) I use zetaback on my OpenSolaris systems; I don't know of any reason it wouldn't work on FreeBSD, since it's just using snapshots and zfs send/receive. IMHO it's really only suitable for disaster recovery backups, not archival, though, because zfs send streams are not guaranteed to be compatible between filesystem versions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Xorg support for adding a graphics card
When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by libpciaccess. Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to suggest things have changed. _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com d...@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) d...@safeport.com d...@safeport.com articulated: When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by libpciaccess. Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to suggest things have changed. Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Every dog has its day, but the nights belong to the pussycats. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by true forward-error-correction. But if you want to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from those ECC blocks: And how do you detect that a block has gone bad, other than reading back what you wrote and finding a difference? Because that would still be slow. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpUlzPtH4rC3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 8 November 2010 22:35, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for normal cases but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by true forward-error-correction. But if you want to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from those ECC blocks: And how do you detect that a block has gone bad, other than reading back what you wrote and finding a difference? Because that would still be slow. Roland -y R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ersmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) The read doesnt need to be done at write time, it only needs to be done when the block is read by the system. If an issue is found than the corrective measures are executed. For you important data in my opinion you should always set the copies attribute to 3. This is obviously very costly in terms of storage but its just a trade off for the data. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Copy all users between systems
Hello Matthew, On 10/29/2010 04:51 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 29/10/2010 12:46, Laszlo Nagy wrote: I would like to copy all user accounts, including root from an already installed 8.0 system to a fresh new 8.1 system. My plan is to boot into single user mode, then copy these: /etc/passwd /etc/master.passwd /etc/group then run pwd_mkdb and finally restart the system. (Obviously, I also need to copy user home directories) Will this be enough? Did I miss something? That should be sufficient, assuming you aren't using NIS or LDAP or some other userdb. AFAIR there weren't any changes to the standard system accounts between 8.0 and 8.1, but in general you should also run 'mergemaster -p' to merge in any such when copying the master.passwd file between different OS versions. (mergemaster -p does some other stuff besides merging the system user accounts, but it's all pretty harmless) Restarting the system may not actually be necessary, but it's a good idea if you can spare the down-time. Its never bad to be careful but shouldn't it be enough to change init mode? Cheers, Matthew //Mattias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Administrating more than 10 servers
Hello there, On 10/25/2010 04:19 AM, Randy Belk wrote: This is a must read for multiple UNIX server administration, http://www.cae.tntech.edu/~mwr/unix_infrastructure_management_from_scratch.pdf . Just want to thank you for the PDF, very interesting. If you are in town I can buy you a beer or similar :) On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Ahmed Ossamaah...@master-zone.net wrote: Hi folks, Lately I was put in charge to administrate 12 FreeBSD servers, and I was wonder what is the best way to administrate/monitor/follow-up/update/patch these servers such that all work like a clockwise with each other with the exact same updates? I wrote few scripts that notifies me with system failure and updates, but I want to manage the servers more efficiently. Any advice/guide is much appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org //Mattias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) d...@safeport.com d...@safeport.com articulated: When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by libpciaccess. Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to suggest things have changed. Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. I was not aware of the possibility - thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster question
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, RW wrote: -aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former. I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package that isn't in the set of all installed packages. That sentence makes me a little dizzy. I think you mean that since -a is equivalent to listing all packages on the command line, -r or -R are redundant. So portupgrade \* (i.e., -a) is a superset of portupgrade -r libexample because all the dependencies of libexample are included in the \* and so portupgrade will see they need to be updated because a port they depend on has been updated... Right? yes ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Entropy Key for FreeBSD?
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:51:08 +0100 Per olof Ljungmark p...@intersonic.se wrote: Hi, Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key http://www.entropykey.com/ for use with FreeBSD? As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with better skills already did? FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. FreeBSD doesn't have a linux-style blocking /dev/random, so it couldn't be used in quite the same way as in other OS. Personally I think the key demographic for this is people with more money than sense. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing files
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Pegasus Mc Cleaft k...@mthelicon.com wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2010 06:10:20 yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote:
hi,
I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can
guide me for the same.
I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the
extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different
*input folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having
files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file
with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files
extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please
some one help me for the same.
/student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input
Could you, in your script do something like:
cd /Path_to_Data_Root
find . -name *.chk -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} \;
If you really want to delete all the .chk files extension files at a time
find path -name '*.chk' -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} + \;
--
Eitan Adler
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Re: removing files
On 9-11-2010 6:57, Eitan Adler wrote:
If you really want to delete all the .chk files extension files at a time
find path -name '*.chk' -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} + \;
And more efficient:
find path -name '*.chk' -delete
Peter
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Re: Copy all users between systems
On 08/11/2010 22:44, mattibj...@bredband.net wrote: Its never bad to be careful but shouldn't it be enough to change init mode? This isn't SysV. BSD init doesn't really do modes. However, yes, taking the system down to single user and then back up to multiuser is a possibility. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Entropy Key for FreeBSD?
On 11/09/10 01:09, RW wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:51:08 +0100 Per olof Ljungmarkp...@intersonic.se wrote: Hi, Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key http://www.entropykey.com/ for use with FreeBSD? As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with better skills already did? FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. FreeBSD doesn't have a linux-style blocking /dev/random, so it couldn't be used in quite the same way as in other OS. Personally I think the key demographic for this is people with more money than sense. Could you please elaborate a bit over this? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
