Re: Trademarks and incubation (was: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project)

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

> On Apr 3, 2024, at 4:33 AM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
> 
> Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case?  How can we 
> prevent something like this from happening again?

Rather than consider what went wrong in this case and to avoid an how is the 
Incubator broken this time discussion … let’s look at the real problem. 

1. Companies donate IP while not understanding that they are giving up 
trademarks.
2. We defer trademark assignment until Incubation ends.

These branding issues can happen in TLPs as well.

It would help if the following were improved (I’m not licking this cookie, just 
discussion.)

1. If the Champion has one duty to the ASF it is to make sure that any entity 
that will sign an SGA knows the brand implications.
2. The IPMC members need to be willing to actively retire projects that are not 
properly understanding the “Apache Way”. This should not be consider a failure 
of the Incubator.
3. The VP, Brand may need to alter the Podling Name Search to include 
information about the brand’s "pre-existing conditions”.
4. When the Incubator votes to allow graduation it should have explicit 
feedback from one or more active Mentors. The VOTE should not be held unless 
that is demonstrated in the [DISCUSS].
5. The Board should ask for explicit assurances from the Incubator PMC that the 
new PMC has or will handle the situation.

Best,
Dave

> 
> On 2021/12/20 22:50:13 Eya Badal Abdisho wrote:
>> Hello Justin,
>> Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:
> 
> ...snip...> - There are some minor trademark issues on the Bitnine site e.g 
> [2] → All
>> will be fixed in a day.
> 
> One issue today is that both the Bitnine site advertises several software 
> products with names that start with "AGE...", including a graph-based tool.  
> The other issue is that AgeDB is a company using similar names and branding 
> as Apache Age.
> 
> These issues clearly weren't fixed, nor do they appear to really have been 
> seriously addressed in the past two years.
> 
>  https://bitnine.net/
>  https://agedb.io/
> 
> ...snip...
>> - I notice one person who replied to this thread had a agedb.io email
>> address - what is it relationship with the project?
>> Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
>> affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
>> codes to the Apache Software Foundation. The purpose of Agedb is not yet
>> clearly defined but it is expected to be to provide graph database
>> solutions and related services.
> 
> I definitely appreciate our Incubator mentors, who do an incredible job in 
> their volunteer time.  Helping build communities is hard work, and is to be 
> celebrated.
> 
> How can we improve documentation, education, or training so that the below 
> sentence would leap out at any mentor as a "You can't do that!"
> 
> "purpose of Agedb is ... provide graph database solutions and related 
> services"
> 
> Given we were trying to incubate Apache AGE as a graph database, the above 
> sentence is literally describing trademark infringement!  How can we make it 
> easier to ensure podlings and their donating organizations actually take 
> trademark transfer seriously?
> 
> -- 
> - Shane
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Re: Trademarks and incubation (was: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case?  How can we 
> prevent something like this from happening again?

The Incubator pointed out the issue during a graduation discussion at the end 
of 2021 (which put off graduation). The people involved said they would not use 
the name AgeDB and would stop using it in a week. They became a TLP in early 
2022. From what I can see, the AgeDB website was created in mid 2023.

Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: Trademarks and incubation (was: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project)

[tison]

Related discussions -
https://lists.apache.org/thread/oc9jft1tyo7cbphcyrtwobf4w5rcbhfw

I'll try to send a more complete reply in days. In short, let's update the
maturity model and provide more case studies.

Best,
tison.


Shane Curcuru  于2024年4月3日周三 19:33写道：

> Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case?  How can
> we prevent something like this from happening again?
>
> On 2021/12/20 22:50:13 Eya Badal Abdisho wrote:
> > Hello Justin,
> >
> > Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:
>
> ...snip...> - There are some minor trademark issues on the Bitnine site
> e.g [2] → All
> > will be fixed in a day.
>
> One issue today is that both the Bitnine site advertises several
> software products with names that start with "AGE...", including a
> graph-based tool.  The other issue is that AgeDB is a company using
> similar names and branding as Apache Age.
>
> These issues clearly weren't fixed, nor do they appear to really have
> been seriously addressed in the past two years.
>
>https://bitnine.net/
>https://agedb.io/
>
> ...snip...
> > - I notice one person who replied to this thread had a agedb.io email
> > address - what is it relationship with the project?
> >
> > Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> > affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> > codes to the Apache Software Foundation. The purpose of Agedb is not yet
> > clearly defined but it is expected to be to provide graph database
> > solutions and related services.
>
> I definitely appreciate our Incubator mentors, who do an incredible job
> in their volunteer time.  Helping build communities is hard work, and is
> to be celebrated.
>
> How can we improve documentation, education, or training so that the
> below sentence would leap out at any mentor as a "You can't do that!"
>
> "purpose of Agedb is ... provide graph database solutions and related
> services"
>
> Given we were trying to incubate Apache AGE as a graph database, the
> above sentence is literally describing trademark infringement!  How can
> we make it easier to ensure podlings and their donating organizations
> actually take trademark transfer seriously?
>
> --
> - Shane
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>The Apache Software Foundation
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Trademarks and incubation (was: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project)

[Shane Curcuru]

Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case?  How can 
we prevent something like this from happening again?


On 2021/12/20 22:50:13 Eya Badal Abdisho wrote:

Hello Justin,

Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:


...snip...> - There are some minor trademark issues on the Bitnine site 
e.g [2] → All

will be fixed in a day.


One issue today is that both the Bitnine site advertises several 
software products with names that start with "AGE...", including a 
graph-based tool.  The other issue is that AgeDB is a company using 
similar names and branding as Apache Age.


These issues clearly weren't fixed, nor do they appear to really have 
been seriously addressed in the past two years.


  https://bitnine.net/
  https://agedb.io/

...snip...

- I notice one person who replied to this thread had a agedb.io email
address - what is it relationship with the project?

Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
codes to the Apache Software Foundation. The purpose of Agedb is not yet
clearly defined but it is expected to be to provide graph database
solutions and related services.


I definitely appreciate our Incubator mentors, who do an incredible job 
in their volunteer time.  Helping build communities is hard work, and is 
to be celebrated.


How can we improve documentation, education, or training so that the 
below sentence would leap out at any mentor as a "You can't do that!"


"purpose of Agedb is ... provide graph database solutions and related 
services"


Given we were trying to incubate Apache AGE as a graph database, the 
above sentence is literally describing trademark infringement!  How can 
we make it easier to ensure podlings and their donating organizations 
actually take trademark transfer seriously?


--
- Shane
  Member
  The Apache Software Foundation

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

> It best if the project documents this, so the expectations are clear to 
> newcomers and potential committers.

Hello Justin, 
As you advised and requested, the Apache AGE community discussed the AGE 
committer requirements and finalized the following. 

Committer Requirements:

1-Continuous contributions to AGE:
Committers should have a decent amount of continuous engagements and 
contributions (fixing bugs, writing documentation, or answering community 
questions) to AGE either by contributing on GitHub Repos, documentation and 
mailing list, etc

+3 months with light activity and engagement.
+2 months of medium activity and engagement.
+1 month with solid activity and engagement.

2-Quality of contributions:
Well tested, well-designed, following Apache AGE coding standards, and simple 
patches.

3-Community involvement:
Committers should support the development and advancement of AGE in different 
areas. They should also be active on the dev and user list and help mentor 
newer contributors and users. They should also be active in the design road map 
discussions with a professional and diplomatic approach, even if there is a 
disagreement.


Please let us know if you have any questions. 
Eya

On 2021/12/26 22:35:34 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Could you clarify what would be considered too low of a bar for a committer?
> 
> There isn’t one. Some projects allow you to be a committer by asking and some 
> will vote you in after a couple of PRs. However each project can decide where 
> this is.
> 
> > I feel that we need good upper and lower bounds for this so that we are all 
> > on the same page on who qualifies to be a committer.
> 
> It best if the project documents this, so the expectations are clear to 
> newcomers and potential committers.
> 
> > I would rather we don't bounce back and forth between, too high and too low.
> 
> I don't think anyone would object if the bar was “too low”.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Hello Craig, 

Jasper Blues and Nick Sorrell have subscribed to the private mailing list. John 
Gemignani and I also fixed the issues mentioned earlier. 

As I mentioned before, Mason Sharp and Raphael Bircher have been inactive and 
not replying. We removed Mason Sharp and Raphael Bircher from the resolution 
and would like to remove them from the project as well. 

Best regards, 
Eya


On 2022/01/08 04:17:26 Craig Russell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > 
> > Four more concerns:
> > 
> > (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> > list.
> > 
> Jasper Blues?
> Mason Sharp?
> Raphael Bircher?
> 
> 
> > (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> > mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> > 
>   • eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>   • john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> 
> > (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > 
> > (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> > indicates they are not. [1]
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> > 
> >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will 
> >>> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>> 
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
>  
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
>  
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
>  
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
>  
>  Willem Jiang
>  
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
>  
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > 
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > 
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > 
> > 
> >  -
> > 
> >  Close to 900 commits
> >  -
> > 
> >  68 unique contributors
> >  -
> > 
> >  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >  -
> > 
> >  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >  -
> > 
> >  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >  -
> > 
> >  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >  and PPMC members excluded)
> > 
> > 
> >  -
> > 
> >  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> >  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >>> Israel,
> >  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >>> Russia, South
> >  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >  -
> > 
> >  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >  -
> > 
> >  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> >>> AGE.
> >  [5]
> >  -
> > 
> >  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> >  -
> > 
> >  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >>> and
> >  didn't find any issues
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [1] 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Nick Sorrell]

I have subscribed with both sorr...@apache.org and n...@cint.io.

On 2022/01/09 20:44:08 sebb wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 04:17, Craig Russell  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >
> > > Four more concerns:
> > >
> > > (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> > > list.
> > >
> > Jasper Blues?
> > Mason Sharp?
> > Raphael Bircher?
> 
> Also Nick Sorrell does not appear to be subscribed.
> 
> >
> > > (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> > > mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> > >
> > • eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> > • john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> >
> > > (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > >
> > > (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> > > indicates they are not. [1]
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> > >
> > >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> > >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are 
> > >> the
> > >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello Willem,
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> > >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> > >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will 
> > >>> start
> > >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>> Eya
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> >  Hi,
> > 
> >  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> >  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> >  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> >  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> >  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> >  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> > 
> >  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> >  policies during the incubation process.
> > 
> >  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> > 
> >  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> >  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> >  [3]
> > >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> > 
> >  Willem Jiang
> > 
> >  Twitter: willemjiang
> >  Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > 
> >  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone,
> > >
> > >
> > > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> > >>> with a
> > > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> > >>> Apache
> > > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > >
> > > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > >
> > > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > >
> > >
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Close to 900 commits
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  68 unique contributors
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> > >>> companies/institutions
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> > >>> (mentors
> > >  and PPMC members excluded)
> > >
> > >
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> > >  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> > >>> Israel,
> > >  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> > >>> Russia, South
> > >  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> > >>> AGE.
> > >  [5]
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> > >  -
> > >
> > >  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> > >>> and
> > >  didn't find any issues
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[John Gemignani]

I have added my bitnine.net email address.

John

On 2022/01/09 16:58:38 Eya Badal wrote:
> > John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
> I still do not understand how Bitnine email can cause an issue. The primary 
> email address that I used to subscribe to @private is badaleya@gmail and 
> e...@apacge.org, and I used badaleya@gmail from day one. I added the bitnine 
> email recently to be safe. Anyhow, I just fixed the typo.
> 
> On 2022/01/08 22:52:59 sebb wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:46, Craig Russell  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Josh,
> > >
> > > > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Craig,
> > > >
> > > > John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> > > > address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need 
> > > > to
> > > > fix this immediately.
> > >
> > > The problem here is that John is subscribed to the private list as 
> > > john.gemign...@bitnine.net but his profile at id.apache.org only shows 
> > > his gmail email address.
> > > He can fix this at id.apache.org.
> > 
> > Or using Whimsy
> > 
> > > > Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
> > > > eya.abdi...@bitnine.net).
> > >
> > > It looks like Eya's profile at id.apache.org has a typo in her email 
> > > "btinine" address.
> > >
> > > > I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
> > > > and Eya have been here from the beginning and if they are not getting
> > > > credit for their years of work on Apache AGE: please let us know. I am
> > > > confused to see their names on the list of PPMC members who have not 
> > > > linked
> > > > their apache id to their Github id, because I remember all of us doing 
> > > > so
> > > > and all of us have had a multi-year long influence on the project.
> > >
> > > The problem is not that they are not getting credit for their 
> > > contributions but that the email addresses subscribed to the private list 
> > > are not in their profile at id.apache.org.
> > 
> > AFAICT they are both subscribed twice - once with an address that is
> > in their LDAP record, and once with an address that is not registered.
> > 
> > > This is trivial for them to fix.
> > 
> > Indeed, using id.apache.org or Whimsy.
> > 
> > John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
> > 
> > > Warm regards,
> > > Craig
> > > >
> > > > Everyone else: please subscribe to the private mailing list. Otherwise I
> > > > will create an email discussion to have you removed from the project.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:17 PM Craig Russell  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted
> > > >> below.
> > > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Four more concerns:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private 
> > > >>> mailing
> > > >> list.
> > > >>>
> > > >> Jasper Blues?
> > > >> Mason Sharp?
> > > >> Raphael Bircher?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not
> > > >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> > > >>>
> > > >>• eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> > > >>• john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> > > >>
> > > >>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
> > > >> indicates they are not. [1]
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>> Dave
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> > > >>>
> > >  On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  Hi
> > > 
> > >  Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> > >  contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why 
> > >  are
> > > >> the
> > >  numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> > > 
> > >  John
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello Willem,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> > > > Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer 
> > > > is
> > > >> a
> > > > sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project 
> > > > will
> > > >> start
> > > > the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Eya
> > > >
> > > > On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE 
> > > >> viewer,
> > > >> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> > > >> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> > > >> addressed the 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Jasper Blues]

Hi Folks, 

I'm subscribed to the public and private mailing lists. I've been a long time 
supported of the project and collaborate with BitNine on both AgensGraph and 
Apache AGE. 

More generally am a graph database expert having run my own company (Liberation 
Data), worked with GraphAware, and as a developer on eg Neo4j OGM and related 
open-source graph projects. 

I'm now becoming more exclusively aligned with Bitnine and Apache AGE.

On 2022/01/08 04:17:26 Craig Russell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > 
> > Four more concerns:
> > 
> > (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> > list.
> > 
> Jasper Blues?
> Mason Sharp?
> Raphael Bircher?
> 
> 
> > (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> > mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> > 
>   • eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>   • john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> 
> > (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > 
> > (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> > indicates they are not. [1]
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> > 
> >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will 
> >>> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>> 
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
>  
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
>  
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
>  
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
>  
>  Willem Jiang
>  
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
>  
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > 
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > 
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > 
> > 
> >  -
> > 
> >  Close to 900 commits
> >  -
> > 
> >  68 unique contributors
> >  -
> > 
> >  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >  -
> > 
> >  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >  -
> > 
> >  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >  -
> > 
> >  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >  and PPMC members excluded)
> > 
> > 
> >  -
> > 
> >  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> >  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >>> Israel,
> >  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >>> Russia, South
> >  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >  -
> > 
> >  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >  -
> > 
> >  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> >>> AGE.
> >  [5]
> >  -
> > 
> >  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> >  -
> > 
> >  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >>> and
> >  didn't find any issues
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[sebb]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 04:17, Craig Russell  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> > Four more concerns:
> >
> > (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> > list.
> >
> Jasper Blues?
> Mason Sharp?
> Raphael Bircher?

Also Nick Sorrell does not appear to be subscribed.

>
> > (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> > mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> >
> • eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> • john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>
> > (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> >
> > (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> > indicates they are not. [1]
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> >
> >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will 
> >>> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>>
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> 
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
> 
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> 
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> 
>  Willem Jiang
> 
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
> 
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Everyone,
> >
> >
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> >
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> >
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> >
> >
> >  -
> >
> >  Close to 900 commits
> >  -
> >
> >  68 unique contributors
> >  -
> >
> >  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >  -
> >
> >  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >  -
> >
> >  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >  -
> >
> >  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >  and PPMC members excluded)
> >
> >
> >  -
> >
> >  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> >  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >>> Israel,
> >  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >>> Russia, South
> >  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >  -
> >
> >  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >  -
> >
> >  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> >>> AGE.
> >  [5]
> >  -
> >
> >  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> >  -
> >
> >  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >>> and
> >  didn't find any issues
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> >
> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> >
> > [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> > Releases menu.
> >
> > [4] https://age.apache.org/
> >
> > [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
> >>> under
> > the 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

> John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
I still do not understand how Bitnine email can cause an issue. The primary 
email address that I used to subscribe to @private is badaleya@gmail and 
e...@apacge.org, and I used badaleya@gmail from day one. I added the bitnine 
email recently to be safe. Anyhow, I just fixed the typo.

On 2022/01/08 22:52:59 sebb wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:46, Craig Russell  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Josh,
> >
> > > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Craig,
> > >
> > > John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> > > address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
> > > fix this immediately.
> >
> > The problem here is that John is subscribed to the private list as 
> > john.gemign...@bitnine.net but his profile at id.apache.org only shows his 
> > gmail email address.
> > He can fix this at id.apache.org.
> 
> Or using Whimsy
> 
> > > Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
> > > eya.abdi...@bitnine.net).
> >
> > It looks like Eya's profile at id.apache.org has a typo in her email 
> > "btinine" address.
> >
> > > I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
> > > and Eya have been here from the beginning and if they are not getting
> > > credit for their years of work on Apache AGE: please let us know. I am
> > > confused to see their names on the list of PPMC members who have not 
> > > linked
> > > their apache id to their Github id, because I remember all of us doing so
> > > and all of us have had a multi-year long influence on the project.
> >
> > The problem is not that they are not getting credit for their contributions 
> > but that the email addresses subscribed to the private list are not in 
> > their profile at id.apache.org.
> 
> AFAICT they are both subscribed twice - once with an address that is
> in their LDAP record, and once with an address that is not registered.
> 
> > This is trivial for them to fix.
> 
> Indeed, using id.apache.org or Whimsy.
> 
> John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
> 
> > Warm regards,
> > Craig
> > >
> > > Everyone else: please subscribe to the private mailing list. Otherwise I
> > > will create an email discussion to have you removed from the project.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:17 PM Craig Russell  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted
> > >> below.
> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Four more concerns:
> > >>>
> > >>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing
> > >> list.
> > >>>
> > >> Jasper Blues?
> > >> Mason Sharp?
> > >> Raphael Bircher?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not
> > >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> > >>>
> > >>• eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> > >>• john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> > >>
> > >>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > >>>
> > >>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
> > >> indicates they are not. [1]
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> > >>>
> >  On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament 
> > >> wrote:
> > 
> >  Hi
> > 
> >  Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >  contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
> > >> the
> >  numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> > 
> >  John
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello Willem,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> > > Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is
> > >> a
> > > sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> > >> start
> > > the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Eya
> > >
> > > On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> > >> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> > >> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> > >> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> > >> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> > >> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> > >>
> > >> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> > >> policies during the incubation process.
> > >>
> > >> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> > >>
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[sebb]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:46, Craig Russell  wrote:
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> > address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
> > fix this immediately.
>
> The problem here is that John is subscribed to the private list as 
> john.gemign...@bitnine.net but his profile at id.apache.org only shows his 
> gmail email address.
> He can fix this at id.apache.org.

Or using Whimsy

> > Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
> > eya.abdi...@bitnine.net).
>
> It looks like Eya's profile at id.apache.org has a typo in her email 
> "btinine" address.
>
> > I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
> > and Eya have been here from the beginning and if they are not getting
> > credit for their years of work on Apache AGE: please let us know. I am
> > confused to see their names on the list of PPMC members who have not linked
> > their apache id to their Github id, because I remember all of us doing so
> > and all of us have had a multi-year long influence on the project.
>
> The problem is not that they are not getting credit for their contributions 
> but that the email addresses subscribed to the private list are not in their 
> profile at id.apache.org.

AFAICT they are both subscribed twice - once with an address that is
in their LDAP record, and once with an address that is not registered.

> This is trivial for them to fix.

Indeed, using id.apache.org or Whimsy.

John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.

> Warm regards,
> Craig
> >
> > Everyone else: please subscribe to the private mailing list. Otherwise I
> > will create an email discussion to have you removed from the project.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:17 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted
> >> below.
> >> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> >>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Four more concerns:
> >>>
> >>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing
> >> list.
> >>>
> >> Jasper Blues?
> >> Mason Sharp?
> >> Raphael Bircher?
> >>
> >>
> >>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not
> >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> >>>
> >>• eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> >>• john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> >>
> >>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> >>>
> >>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
> >> indicates they are not. [1]
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> >>>
>  On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Hi
> 
>  Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
>  contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
> >> the
>  numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> 
>  John
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> 
> > Hello Willem,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> > Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is
> >> a
> > sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> >> start
> > the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Eya
> >
> > On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> >> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> >> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> >> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> >> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> >> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> >>
> >> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> >> policies during the incubation process.
> >>
> >> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> >>
> >> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> >> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> >> [3]
> >
> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> Willem Jiang
> >>
> >> Twitter: willemjiang
> >> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Everyone,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> > with a
> >>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> > Apache
> >>> AGE 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Craig Russell]

Hi Josh,

> On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig,
> 
> John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
> fix this immediately.

The problem here is that John is subscribed to the private list as 
john.gemign...@bitnine.net but his profile at id.apache.org only shows his 
gmail email address.
He can fix this at id.apache.org.

> Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
> eya.abdi...@bitnine.net).

It looks like Eya's profile at id.apache.org has a typo in her email "btinine" 
address.

> I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
> and Eya have been here from the beginning and if they are not getting
> credit for their years of work on Apache AGE: please let us know. I am
> confused to see their names on the list of PPMC members who have not linked
> their apache id to their Github id, because I remember all of us doing so
> and all of us have had a multi-year long influence on the project.

The problem is not that they are not getting credit for their contributions but 
that the email addresses subscribed to the private list are not in their 
profile at id.apache.org.

This is trivial for them to fix. 

Warm regards,
Craig
> 
> Everyone else: please subscribe to the private mailing list. Otherwise I
> will create an email discussion to have you removed from the project.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:17 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted
>> below.
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Four more concerns:
>>> 
>>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing
>> list.
>>> 
>> Jasper Blues?
>> Mason Sharp?
>> Raphael Bircher?
>> 
>> 
>>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not
>> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
>>> 
>>• eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>>• john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>> 
>>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
>>> 
>>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
>> indicates they are not. [1]
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament 
>> wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
 contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
>> the
 numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
 
 John
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
 
> Hello Willem,
> 
> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is
>> a
> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
>> start
> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> 
> Best regards,
> Eya
> 
> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
>> 
>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>> policies during the incubation process.
>> 
>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
>> 
>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>> [3]
> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> Willem Jiang
>> 
>> Twitter: willemjiang
>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> with a
>>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> Apache
>>> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>>> 
>>> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>>> 
>>> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
>> AGE
>>> project community has grown in the following areas:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> Close to 900 commits
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 68 unique contributors
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> companies/institutions
>>> -
>>> 
>>> Gathered > 500 GitHub stars

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Josh Innis]

Hi Craig,

John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
fix this immediately. Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
eya.abdi...@bitnine.net). I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
and Eya have been here from the beginning and if they are not getting
credit for their years of work on Apache AGE: please let us know. I am
confused to see their names on the list of PPMC members who have not linked
their apache id to their Github id, because I remember all of us doing so
and all of us have had a multi-year long influence on the project.

Everyone else: please subscribe to the private mailing list. Otherwise I
will create an email discussion to have you removed from the project.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:17 PM Craig Russell  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted
> below.
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> > Four more concerns:
> >
> > (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing
> list.
> >
> Jasper Blues?
> Mason Sharp?
> Raphael Bircher?
>
>
> > (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not
> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> >
> • eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
> • john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
>
> > (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> >
> > (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
> indicates they are not. [1]
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> >
> >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
> the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is
> a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>>
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> 
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
> 
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> 
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> 
>  Willem Jiang
> 
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
> 
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Everyone,
> >
> >
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> >
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> >
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
> AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> >
> >
> >  -
> >
> >  Close to 900 commits
> >  -
> >
> >  68 unique contributors
> >  -
> >
> >  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >  -
> >
> >  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >  -
> >
> >  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >  -
> >
> >  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >  and PPMC members excluded)
> >
> >
> >  -
> >
> >  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> >  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >>> Israel,
> >  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >>> Russia, South
> >  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >  -
> >
> >  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >  -
> >
> >  Created and 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Craig Russell]

Hi,

It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Four more concerns:
> 
> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
> 
Jasper Blues?
Mason Sharp?
Raphael Bircher?


> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not mapped 
> their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
• eya.abdi...@bitnine.net (not recognised)
• john.gemign...@bitnine.net (not recognised)

> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> 
> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
>> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
>> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Willem,
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
>>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
>>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
>>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Eya
>>> 
>>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
 even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
 I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
 addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
 The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
 of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
 
 It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
 policies during the incubation process.
 
 Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
 
 [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
 [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
 [3]
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
 
 Willem Jiang
 
 Twitter: willemjiang
 Weibo: 姜宁willem
 
 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> 
> Dear Everyone,
> 
> 
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
>>> with a
> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
>>> Apache
> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> 
> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> 
> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> project community has grown in the following areas:
> 
> 
>  -
> 
>  Close to 900 commits
>  -
> 
>  68 unique contributors
>  -
> 
>  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
>>> companies/institutions
>  -
> 
>  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>  -
> 
>  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>  -
> 
>  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
>>> (mentors
>  and PPMC members excluded)
> 
> 
>  -
> 
>  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
>>> Israel,
>  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
>>> Russia, South
>  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>  -
> 
>  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>  -
> 
>  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
>>> AGE.
>  [5]
>  -
> 
>  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>  -
> 
>  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
>>> and
>  didn't find any issues
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> 
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> 
> [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> Releases menu.
> 
> [4] https://age.apache.org/
> 
> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
>>> under
> the Documentation menu.
> 
> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> 
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
> 
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> 
>>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

> >> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> >> list.
> > All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list. 
> This is still not the case.
I believe the only members that are not subscribed are removed from the 
resolution due to their inactivity. 


> >> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
> There are still issues here.
The only PPMC member that has not mapped the apache id to their GitHub id is 
the inactive member and has been removed from the resolution. 


On 2022/01/06 06:31:08 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> >> list.
> > All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list. 
> 
> This is still not the case.
> 
> >> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > We have just added two new PPMC members
> 
> However they were not added in the correct way.
> 
> >> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
> There are still issues here.
> 
> >> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> >> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> This is still an issue as far as I can see.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Josh Innis]

Hi Justin,

> >> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> >> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> This is still an issue as far as I can see.

The PR that fixes the licenses for the Python and Go drivers has been reviewed 
and merged into master. The original license issue was resolved during the 
previous release. This PR was resolving a new license issue that we were trying 
to fix before the next release.

On 2022/01/06 06:31:08 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing 
> >> list.
> > All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list. 
> 
> This is still not the case.
> 
> >> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> > We have just added two new PPMC members
> 
> However they were not added in the correct way.
> 
> >> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
> >> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
> There are still issues here.
> 
> >> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> >> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> This is still an issue as far as I can see.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[justin]

H,

>>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
>> We have just added two new PPMC members
> 
> However they were not added in the correct way.

My apologies, I made a mistake, they were added in the correct way.

Kind Regards,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
> All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list. 

This is still not the case.

>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> We have just added two new PPMC members

However they were not added in the correct way.

>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
>> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?

There are still issues here.

>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
>> indicates they are not. [1]

This is still an issue as far as I can see.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Thanks everyone for your valuable input.
Unless there's anything else that needs to be discussed, I expect we can close 
this [DISCUSS] thread and start the [VOTE] to graduate Apache AGE to a Top 
Level Project.

Best regards,
Eya

On 2021/12/13 21:04:30 Eya Badal wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
> 
> 
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> 
> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> 
> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> project community has grown in the following areas:
> 
> 
>-
> 
>Close to 900 commits
>-
> 
>68 unique contributors
>-
> 
>4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
>-
> 
>Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>-
> 
>4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>-
> 
>6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
>and PPMC members excluded)
> 
> 
>-
> 
>Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
>Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, South
>Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>-
> 
>Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>-
> 
>Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
>[5]
>-
> 
>Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>-
> 
>Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
>didn't find any issues
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> 
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> 
> [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> Releases menu.
> 
> [4] https://age.apache.org/
> 
> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
> the Documentation menu.
> 
> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> 
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
> 
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> 
> 
> Establish the Apache AGE Project
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> 
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> 
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> 
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> 
> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology
> 
> with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> 
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
> 
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
> 
> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most
> 
> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced
> 
> relational database system software.; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby
> 
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> 
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
> 
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> 
> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> 
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:
> 
> * Dehowe Feng 
> 
> * Eya Badal 
> 
> * Felix Cheung 
> 
> * Jasper Blues 
> 
> * John Gemignani 
> 
> * Josh Innis 
> 
> * Juan Pan 
> 
> * Kevin Ratnasekera 
> 
> * Mason Sharp 
> 
> * Raphael Bircher 
> 
> * Suneel Marthi 
> 
> * Von Gosling 
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed to
> 
> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with
> 
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> 
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> 
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> 
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE podling; and
> 
> be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> 
> AGE podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time and 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.

It has been discussed in the dev mailing list and with guidance from our 
mentor, Felix Cheung, it is being looked at by Apache infra at Jira.  

The AGE docker has been pulled more than 1100 times from our contributor's 
docker hub repos.  


On 2021/12/29 08:00:55 Justin Mclean wrote:
> HI,
> 
> > The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub. 
> 
> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list. 

> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
We have just added two new PPMC members (Nick Sorrell from Cintio and Pieterjan 
De Potter from Ghent University ) in addition to Dehowe Feng who became a PPMC 
member a few months ago. 

On 2021/12/17 18:28:51 Dave Fisher wrote:
> Four more concerns:
> 
> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
> 
> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not mapped 
> their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> 
> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> 
> > On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> > contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> > numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello Willem,
> >> 
> >> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
> >> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Eya
> >> 
> >> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> >>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> >>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> >>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> >>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> >>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> >>> 
> >>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> >>> policies during the incubation process.
> >>> 
> >>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> >>> 
> >>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> >>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> >>> [3]
> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> >>> 
> >>> Willem Jiang
> >>> 
> >>> Twitter: willemjiang
> >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
>  
>  Dear Everyone,
>  
>  
>  Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >> with a
>  vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >> Apache
>  AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>  
>  We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>  
>  In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
>  project community has grown in the following areas:
>  
>  
>    -
>  
>    Close to 900 commits
>    -
>  
>    68 unique contributors
>    -
>  
>    4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >> companies/institutions
>    -
>  
>    Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>    -
>  
>    4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>    -
>  
>    6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >> (mentors
>    and PPMC members excluded)
>  
>  
>    -
>  
>    Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>    Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >> Israel,
>    Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >> Russia, South
>    Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>    -
>  
>    Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>    -
>  
>    Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> >> AGE.
>    [5]
>    -
>  
>    Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>    -
>  
>    Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >> and
>    didn't find any issues
>  
>  
>  
>  [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
>  
>  [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
>  
>  [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
>  Releases menu.
>  
>  [4] https://age.apache.org/
>  
>  [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
> >> under
>  the Documentation menu.
>  
>  [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>   under 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Thank you Juan for your valuable feedback. 

> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
The NOTICE has been sent.

> 2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
> prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
The DISCUSSION has been open since September and today I requested mentors 
again to take a look at it. 

> 3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.
It is independent of business. The committers and PPMC members will be more 
diverse with a few more PPMC members and committers to hopefully join by 
accepting our invitation in a few days. 

> 4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
> committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High 
> bar discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for 
> the community.
Agreed.

> 5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
> effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
> counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
> much as possible.
Agreed, we will continue to do so. 

Best regards,
Eya 


On 2021/12/29 14:31:45 Juan Pan wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from 
> me,
> 
> 
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
> 2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
> prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
> 3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.
> 4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
> committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High 
> bar discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for 
> the community.
> 5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
> effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
> counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
> much as possible.
> 6. It's firmly suggested to invite your mentors for this worthwhile but hard 
> incubator process.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Trista
> 
> --
> Juan Pan(Trista), Twitter: @tristaZero
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2021 16:00，Justin Mclean wrote：
> HI,
> 
> The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.
> 
> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Dave Fisher]

A slight correction in line.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Juan Pan  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from 
> me,
> 
> 
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.

While incubating the NOTICE is to the IPMC’s private@ mailing list.

> 2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
> prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
> 3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.

This is critical and difficult.

> 4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
> committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High 
> bar discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for 
> the community.
> 5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
> effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
> counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
> much as possible.
> 6. It's firmly suggested to invite your mentors for this worthwhile but hard 
> incubator process.

I wonder, the mentors should be following podling email. Is enough happening on 
the mailing lists?

All the Best,
Dave
> 
> 
> Best,
> Trista
> 
> --
> Juan Pan(Trista), Twitter: @tristaZero
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2021 16:00，Justin Mclean wrote：
> HI,
> 
> The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.
> 
> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Juan Pan]

Hello Craig,


Thanks for your feedback, which made us feel welcomed, encouraged, and more 
willing to interact in different communities. ;-)


Regards,
Trista
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On 12/30/2021 05:24，Craig Russell wrote：
Hi Trista,

I appreciate the time and energy you personally put into your role here.

Warm regards,
Craig

On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:31 AM, Juan Pan  wrote:

Hello,


After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from 
me,


1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.
4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High bar 
discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for the 
community.
5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
much as possible.
6. It's firmly suggested to invite your mentors for this worthwhile but hard 
incubator process.


Best,
Trista

--
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HI,

The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.

Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Craig Russell]

Hi Trista,

I appreciate the time and energy you personally put into your role here.

Warm regards,
Craig

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:31 AM, Juan Pan  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from 
> me,
> 
> 
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
> 2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
> prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
> 3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.
> 4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
> committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High 
> bar discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for 
> the community.
> 5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
> effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
> counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
> much as possible.
> 6. It's firmly suggested to invite your mentors for this worthwhile but hard 
> incubator process.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Trista
> 
> --
> Juan Pan(Trista), Twitter: @tristaZero
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2021 16:00，Justin Mclean wrote：
> HI,
> 
> The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.
> 
> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Juan Pan]

Hello,


After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from 
me,


1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the 
prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
3. It's necessary to keep Apache community independent from business.
4. The committer bar is primarily up to the community itself. The purpose of 
committer bar is to activate the community and encourage contributors. High bar 
discourages people, while sloppy one will cause the lowest motivation for the 
community.
5. Contributor or committer is not required to be the professional geeks. Any 
effort, time, or activities that help the community sustain or develop are 
counted. However, please present these contributions in public or onlist as 
much as possible.
6. It's firmly suggested to invite your mentors for this worthwhile but hard 
incubator process.


Best,
Trista

--
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On 12/29/2021 16:00，Justin Mclean wrote：
HI,

The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.

Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.

Kind Regards,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub. 

Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and 
make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Hi Justin, 

The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub. 
In June, I opened a Jira ticket to have AGE available at the Apache Dockerhub 
and the ticket was closed by Apache Infra without a resolution. 

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22024
https://hub.docker.com/u/apache

Best regards, 
Eya

On 2021/12/26 22:42:46 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> > additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?
> 
> A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the 
> roster. [1]
> 
> > The docker image is available at
> > https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/joefagan/incubator-age and a link
> > is provided on the website on the Releases page. 
> 
> Is there any reason you are not using https://hub.docker.com/u/apache? 
> 
> > Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> > affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> > codes to the Apache Software Foundation.
> 
> This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the Apache 
> project name.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#voting_in_a_new_ppmc_member
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

On 2021/12/26 22:42:46 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> > additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?
> 
> A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the 
> roster. [1]
> 
> > The docker image is available at
> > https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/joefagan/incubator-age and a link
> > is provided on the website on the Releases page. 
> 
> Is there any reason you are not using https://hub.docker.com/u/apache? 
> 
>Hi Justin, 
>
>The community would like to use it.
>In June, I opened a Jira ticket to have AGE available at the Apache Dockerhub 
>and the ticket >was closed by Apache Infra without a resolution. 

>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22024
>https://hub.docker.com/u/apache

>Best regards, 
>Eya

> > Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> > affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> > codes to the Apache Software Foundation.
> 
> This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the Apache 
> project name.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
> 
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> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Craig Russell]

Hi Andrew,

> On Dec 27, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Andrew Ko  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Please guide if the ICLA form needs to be resubmitted to the secretary to
> update the existing (@agedb.io) email address.

New ICLAs are not often needed, even when their email addresses change.

Users with Apache ids can change their forwarding email address themselves via 
id.apache.org . If they fail to change and their agedb.io addresses become 
invalid, they will need to file new ICLAs.

I only found one reference to agedb.io in our ICLA records...

Warm regards,
Craig
> 
> Thank you
> Andrew Ko
> 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Andrew Ko]

Hello,

> Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> codes to the Apache Software Foundation.

> This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the
Apache project name.

Discussed internally with the AgeDB and Bitnine managements and they have
decided to change the name of the company from AgeDB to something
distinctively different from the Apache project name to avoid potential
trademark and other legal issues.

The name change process has started and the name AgeDB will not be used in
any operation alongside the @agedb.io email addresses before the current
week ends.

Please guide if the ICLA form needs to be resubmitted to the secretary to
update the existing (@agedb.io) email address.

Thank you
Andrew Ko

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 7:43 AM Justin Mclean 
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> Hi,
>
> > - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> > additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?
>
> A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the
> roster. [1]
>
> > The docker image is available at
> > https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/joefagan/incubator-age and a
> link
> > is provided on the website on the Releases page.
>
> Is there any reason you are not using https://hub.docker.com/u/apache?
>
> > Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> > affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> > codes to the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the
> Apache project name.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
>
> 1.
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#voting_in_a_new_ppmc_member
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?

A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the roster. 
[1]

> The docker image is available at
> https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/joefagan/incubator-age and a link
> is provided on the website on the Releases page. 

Is there any reason you are not using https://hub.docker.com/u/apache? 

> Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> codes to the Apache Software Foundation.

This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the Apache 
project name.

Kind Regards,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Could you clarify what would be considered too low of a bar for a committer?

There isn’t one. Some projects allow you to be a committer by asking and some 
will vote you in after a couple of PRs. However each project can decide where 
this is.

> I feel that we need good upper and lower bounds for this so that we are all 
> on the same page on who qualifies to be a committer.

It best if the project documents this, so the expectations are clear to 
newcomers and potential committers.

> I would rather we don't bounce back and forth between, too high and too low.

I don't think anyone would object if the bar was “too low”.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[John Gemignani]

Hi Justin, Felix, and others,

I keep hearing that the bar for a committer is too high for our project.

Could you clarify what would be considered too low of a bar for a committer? 
Or, if there is some document that I am not aware of that explains this, that 
would be great too.

I feel that we need good upper and lower bounds for this so that we are all on 
the same page on who qualifies to be a committer. Additionally, this way, when 
we submit a new committer, we can state the milestones that they have reached 
that makes us confident with them as a new committer and most would agree.

I would rather we don't bounce back and forth between, too high and too low.

Thanks!

John

On 2021/12/18 11:55:12 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
> > and tight community.
> 
> IMO that bar is far too high, and I suggest the project needs to lower its 
> bar. No one should have to be an expert in all areas to become a committer in 
> a project. It would also be best to consider committers than contribute 
> things other than code.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal Abdisho]

Hello Justin,

Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:

- Indications that the committer/PPMC bar may be too high and not all forms
of contribution recognized → Comment noted. We will no longer insist that
committers are code contributors.

- A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?

- Other than that recent addition no other PPMC members added → The voting
process for Pieterjan De Potter (Ghent University) and Nick Sorrell (Cintio
Ltd) to become PPMC members will begin immediately.

- May be some concern about the employment diversity of the PPMC members.

The proposed new PPMC members above are not affiliated with any other PPMC
in any way.



   -

   John Gemignani [Bitnine] → Initial member of the project at the time of
   donation
   -

   Josh Innis [Bitnine] → Initial member of the project at the time of
   donation
   -

   Eya Badal [Bitnine] → Initial member of the project at the time of
   donation
   -

   Mason Sharp [Immuta] → Initial member of the project at the time of
   donation
   -

   Jasper Blues [Libration Data] → Initial member of the project at the
   time of donation
   -

   Dehowe Feng [Bitnine]
   -

   Pieterjan De Potter [Ghent university] → Soon to be PPMC
   -

   Nick Sorrell [Cintio] → Soon to be PPMC


- Issues with headers and licensing a few months back → All were fixed at
the time when 0.6.0 was released.


-People not signed up to the right mailing lists → All the active people
did. Jasper (initial member) and Mason (initial member) have been mainly
following and supporting the project and will sign up to the mailing lists.
Raphael (mentor) and Suneel (mentor) have not been active at all.

- I see in the maturity guide under releases it mentions docker files but
these don’t seem to be documented on the website? Where are these located?
This related JIRA is a little concerning [1].
The docker image is available at
https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/joefagan/incubator-age and a link
is provided on the website on the Releases page. The image (>800MB) cannot
reside on age.apache.org because it exceeds the file size limit of 25MB.

- There are some minor trademark issues on the Bitnine site e.g [2] → All
will be fixed in a day.

- Releases of Age-viewer not following ASF policy → The first official
Apache release for the Age-viewer is in the voting process and it follows
the ASF policy.

- Links to download 0.5.0 and 0.6.0 on the download page are not correct
[3] They are fixed now

- I notice one person who replied to this thread had a agedb.io email
address - what is it relationship with the project?

Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
codes to the Apache Software Foundation. The purpose of Agedb is not yet
clearly defined but it is expected to be to provide graph database
solutions and related services.

The agedb.io email address belongs to Andrew Ko (also a consultant to
Bitnine) who is one of the committers. He has been helping the project,
consulting on the roadmap and website, and nurturing technical
collaboration with other Big Data related Apache projects.

Thank you very much again for your time and support.
Eya


On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 3:55 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In
> addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a
> strong
> > and tight community.
>
> IMO that bar is far too high, and I suggest the project needs to lower its
> bar. No one should have to be an expert in all areas to become a committer
> in a project. It would also be best to consider committers than contribute
> things other than code.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Felix Cheung]

The community should definitely fix/address these.

As for Committer bar, the community should review the contributors to look
for sustained contributors that should be voted in. PPMC should discuss
this.

I couldn’t find anything about @agedb.io - can Andrew explain the
connection? At least, this might be a branding / trademark issue that the
PPMC should sort out.



On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 12:39 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’m seeing some issues here:
> - Indications that the committer/PPMC bar may be too high and not all
> forms of contribution recognised.
> - A new PPMC member not being added in the correct way
> - Other than that recent addition no other PPMC members added
> - May be some concern about employment diversity of the PPMC members
> - Issues with headers and licensing a few months back
> - People not signed up to the right mailing lists
> - I see in the maturity guide under releases it mentions docker files but
> these don’t seem to be documented on the website? Where are these located?
> This related JIRA is a little concerning [1].
> - There are some minor trademark issues on the bitnine site e.g [2]
> - Releases of Age-viewer not following ASF policy
> - Links to download 0.5.0 and 0.6.0 on the download page are not correct
> [3]
> - I notice one person replied to this thread had a agedb.io email address
> - what is it relationship with the project?
>
> It would be great if I could get some mentor feedback here t see if these
> are just just minor issues or if some more work needs o be done before the
> project should consider graduation.
>
> Kind Regards.
> Justin
>
> 1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22024
> 2. https://bitnine.net/blog-postgresql/thestack-apache-age/
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I’m seeing some issues here:
- Indications that the committer/PPMC bar may be too high and not all forms of 
contribution recognised.
- A new PPMC member not being added in the correct way
- Other than that recent addition no other PPMC members added
- May be some concern about employment diversity of the PPMC members
- Issues with headers and licensing a few months back
- People not signed up to the right mailing lists
- I see in the maturity guide under releases it mentions docker files but these 
don’t seem to be documented on the website? Where are these located? This 
related JIRA is a little concerning [1].
- There are some minor trademark issues on the bitnine site e.g [2]
- Releases of Age-viewer not following ASF policy
- Links to download 0.5.0 and 0.6.0 on the download page are not correct [3]
- I notice one person replied to this thread had a agedb.io email address - 
what is it relationship with the project?

It would be great if I could get some mentor feedback here t see if these are 
just just minor issues or if some more work needs o be done before the project 
should consider graduation.

Kind Regards.
Justin

1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22024
2. https://bitnine.net/blog-postgresql/thestack-apache-age/


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi, 

>> Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].
> 
> Oh I see, but he is a BitNine employee. Add increases the concern that AGE is 
> not a diverse community.

He was also added without sending NOTICE to the IPMC. It seems he was added 
based only on code commits, I would expect the vote and discussion to include 
mention of wider community involvement.

Kind Regards,
Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Personally I thought code contributions were mandatory to be considered as 
> being added to the PPMC team.

I would say not, the responsibilities of being a PPMC member includes a lot of 
things other than code and being good at just the code part doesn’t alway make 
you a good PPMC candidate. Anyone who has a wider community view should be 
considered as a candidate.

Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
> we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
> and tight community.

IMO that bar is far too high, and I suggest the project needs to lower its bar. 
No one should have to be an expert in all areas to become a committer in a 
project. It would also be best to consider committers than contribute things 
other than code.

Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Juan Pan]

Hello,




This is Trista, one of the AGE mentors from July this year. I didn't join this 
community from day one but like to share something about it.

After joining, Andrew, one committer of the community, contacted me that they 
wanted to have a meeting with me to talk about the community's developing and 
goals. So, I gave them many inputs and suggestions. 

I have to say they really listened to my voice and made many efforts in this 
community. From the news [1], we can learn this community has a quick grow-up 
from August this year. More new committers joined, more releases launched. 
Here, thanks to the help from Craig, Justin, and Willem since I could see their 
guiding in private@age ml and this ml.

They looked lost at our first meeting, but I could see progress and willingness 
to create an active community these days. Also, they really took their actions. 
As one of their mentors, at least I could look at their feedback on my 
opinions, and they became familiar with the release process, knew the 
importance of people involved in the community. 

However, the subproject is a surprising issue, so I'd like to listen to other 
IPMCs voices about it. Furthermore, thanks to IPMCs suggestions to AGE. @PPMC 
of AGE, please have closed eyes on them, some of which need to be settled down 
from my view.




[1] https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/age.html

2020-04-30 Project enters incubation.

2021/03/19 New Committer, Dehowe Feng

2021-02-19 First Apache AGE release v0.3.0.

2021-05-03 Apache AGE release v0.4.0.

2021/08/03 Apache AGE release v0.5.0.

2021/09/13 New Committer, Alex Kwak

2021/10/15 New Committer, Andrew Ko

2021/11/08 New Committer, Pieterjan De Potter

2021/11/15 New Committer, Nick Sorrell

2021/11/23 Apache AGE release v0.6.0 (New)

2021/12/07 New PMC, Dehowe Feng (New)




Best,

Trista


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Juan Pan(Trista), Twitter: @tristaZero
 Replied Message 
| From | Andrew Ko |
| Date | 12/18/2021 08:44 |
| To | general |
| Subject | Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project 
|
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.

First of all, I didn't know non-code contributors can also become a
committer. :)

I believe AGE would not have come this far had it not been for non-code
contributors, especially users.
Graph technologies are still relatively new from a developer perspective
even though there are many hypes around for data insights and AI.
But I see many graph enthusiasts? in the community really wanting to help
others experience the benefit of graph.


On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 8:32 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko  wrote:
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > The number 68 includes
> >
> >   -
> >
> >   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
> >   -
> >
> >   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and
> informed
> >   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
> >   clarify how to use AGE.
>
> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do
> the many non-code activities.
>
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering
> questions.
>
> >
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In
> addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a
> strong
> > and tight community.
>
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
> some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
> long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
>
> Many months is good.
>
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Andrew Ko
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
> the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Andrew Ko]

> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.

First of all, I didn't know non-code contributors can also become a
committer. :)

I believe AGE would not have come this far had it not been for non-code
contributors, especially users.
Graph technologies are still relatively new from a developer perspective
even though there are many hypes around for data insights and AI.
But I see many graph enthusiasts? in the community really wanting to help
others experience the benefit of graph.


On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 8:32 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko  wrote:
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > The number 68 includes
> >
> >   -
> >
> >   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
> >   -
> >
> >   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and
> informed
> >   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
> >   clarify how to use AGE.
>
> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do
> the many non-code activities.
>
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering
> questions.
>
> >
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In
> addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a
> strong
> > and tight community.
>
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
> some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
> long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
>
> Many months is good.
>
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Andrew Ko
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are
> the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is
> a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> >> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>>
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> 
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
> 
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> 
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> 
>  Willem Jiang
> 
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
> 
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Everyone,
> >
> >
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> >
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> >
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
> >> AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> >
> >
> >   -
> >
> >   Close to 900 commits
> >   -
> >
> >   68 unique contributors
> >   -
> >
> >   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >   -
> >
> >   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >   -
> >
> >   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >   -
> >
> >   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >   and PPMC 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Josh Innis]

> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the 
> many non-code activities.
> 
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering 
> questions.

Personally I thought code contributions were mandatory to be considered as 
being added to the PPMC team. If that is not the case there are some 
contributors that are worth considering to make PPMC members. They have 
consistently reported issues, asked about future development, answering issues 
that others raise and being a very active member of the project.

> It seems like they should be invited as a committer.

We are considering adding the author as a committer. His contributions have 
been somewhat recent and we haven't had time to add him yet.

On 2021/12/17 23:32:12 Dave Fisher wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello John,
> > 
> > The number 68 includes
> > 
> >   -
> > 
> >   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
> >   -
> > 
> >   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
> >   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
> >   clarify how to use AGE.
> 
> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the 
> many non-code activities.
> 
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering 
> questions.
> 
> > 
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
> > and tight community.
> 
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has some 
> expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a long 
> time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
> 
> Many months is good.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Andrew Ko
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> >> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>> 
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>  even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>  I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>  addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>  The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>  of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
>  
>  It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>  policies during the incubation process.
>  
>  Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
>  
>  [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>  [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>  [3]
> >>> 
> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
>  
>  Willem Jiang
>  
>  Twitter: willemjiang
>  Weibo: 姜宁willem
>  
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > 
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > 
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
> >> AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > 
> > 
> >   -
> > 
> >   Close to 900 commits
> >   -
> > 
> >   68 unique contributors
> >   -
> > 
> >   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >   -
> > 
> >   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >   -
> > 
> >   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Dave Fisher]

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko  wrote:
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> The number 68 includes
> 
>   -
> 
>   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
>   -
> 
>   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
>   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
>   clarify how to use AGE.

Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the 
many non-code activities.

That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering 
questions.

> 
> Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
> we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
> and tight community.

IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has some 
expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a long 
time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.

Many months is good.

> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Andrew Ko
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
>> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
>> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Willem,
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
>>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
>>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
>> start
>>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Eya
>>> 
>>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
 even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
 I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
 addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
 The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
 of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
 
 It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
 policies during the incubation process.
 
 Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
 
 [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
 [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
 [3]
>>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
 
 Willem Jiang
 
 Twitter: willemjiang
 Weibo: 姜宁willem
 
 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> 
> Dear Everyone,
> 
> 
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
>>> with a
> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
>>> Apache
> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> 
> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> 
> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
>> AGE
> project community has grown in the following areas:
> 
> 
>   -
> 
>   Close to 900 commits
>   -
> 
>   68 unique contributors
>   -
> 
>   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
>>> companies/institutions
>   -
> 
>   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>   -
> 
>   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>   -
> 
>   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
>>> (mentors
>   and PPMC members excluded)
> 
> 
>   -
> 
>   Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe
>> including
>   Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
>>> Israel,
>   Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
>>> Russia, South
>   Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>   -
> 
>   Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>   -
> 
>   Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions
>> of
>>> AGE.
>   [5]
>   -
> 
>   Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>   -
> 
>   Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
>>> and
>   didn't find any issues
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> 
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> 
> [3] 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Dave Fisher]

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:11 PM, Josh Innis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].

Oh I see, but he is a BitNine employee. Add increases the concern that AGE is 
not a diverse community.

> 
> Regarding (4), all the files involved in the issue we had in the last release 
> have the correct headers. The open pull request is not about the original 
> license issue. Since the previous release, a Python and Go driver were added 
> to the project. The original pull request did not include the license and the 
> author of the drivers has added the licenses. None of the files involved in 
> that PR have been involved in a release. The PR with the licenses has not 
> been merged to the repository yet because it also includes logic changes that 
> must be reviewed.
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/7428n0p4hwf6lv4v3n9fldqt4wjp6omd

It seems like they should be invited as a committer.

> 
> 
> On 2021/12/17 18:28:51 Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Four more concerns:
>> 
>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
>> 
>> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not 
>> mapped their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
>> 
>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
>> 
>> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
>> indicates they are not. [1]
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
>>> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
>>> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Willem,
 
 Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
 Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
 sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
 the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
 
 Best regards,
 Eya
 
 On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> 
> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> policies during the incubation process.
> 
> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> 
> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> [3]
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> 
> Willem Jiang
> 
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
 with a
>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
 Apache
>> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>> 
>> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>> 
>> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
>> project community has grown in the following areas:
>> 
>> 
>>  -
>> 
>>  Close to 900 commits
>>  -
>> 
>>  68 unique contributors
>>  -
>> 
>>  4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
 companies/institutions
>>  -
>> 
>>  Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>>  -
>> 
>>  4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>>  -
>> 
>>  6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
 (mentors
>>  and PPMC members excluded)
>> 
>> 
>>  -
>> 
>>  Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>>  Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
 Israel,
>>  Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
 Russia, South
>>  Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>>  -
>> 
>>  Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>>  -
>> 
>>  Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
 AGE.
>>  [5]
>>  -
>> 
>>  Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>>  -
>> 
>>  Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
 and
>>  didn't find any issues
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Josh Innis]

Hi Dave,

Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].

Regarding (4), all the files involved in the issue we had in the last release 
have the correct headers. The open pull request is not about the original 
license issue. Since the previous release, a Python and Go driver were added to 
the project. The original pull request did not include the license and the 
author of the drivers has added the licenses. None of the files involved in 
that PR have been involved in a release. The PR with the licenses has not been 
merged to the repository yet because it also includes logic changes that must 
be reviewed.

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/7428n0p4hwf6lv4v3n9fldqt4wjp6omd


On 2021/12/17 18:28:51 Dave Fisher wrote:
> Four more concerns:
> 
> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
> 
> (2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not mapped 
> their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
> 
> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> 
> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
> indicates they are not. [1]
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150
> 
> > On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> > contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> > numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello Willem,
> >> 
> >> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
> >> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Eya
> >> 
> >> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> >>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> >>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> >>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> >>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> >>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> >>> 
> >>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> >>> policies during the incubation process.
> >>> 
> >>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> >>> 
> >>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> >>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> >>> [3]
> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> >>> 
> >>> Willem Jiang
> >>> 
> >>> Twitter: willemjiang
> >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
>  
>  Dear Everyone,
>  
>  
>  Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >> with a
>  vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >> Apache
>  AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>  
>  We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>  
>  In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
>  project community has grown in the following areas:
>  
>  
>    -
>  
>    Close to 900 commits
>    -
>  
>    68 unique contributors
>    -
>  
>    4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >> companies/institutions
>    -
>  
>    Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>    -
>  
>    4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>    -
>  
>    6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >> (mentors
>    and PPMC members excluded)
>  
>  
>    -
>  
>    Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>    Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >> Israel,
>    Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >> Russia, South
>    Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>    -
>  
>    Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>    -
>  
>    Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> >> AGE.
>    [5]
>    -
>  
>    Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>    -
>  
>    Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >> and
>    didn't find any issues
>  
>  
>  
>  [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
>  
>  [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
>  
>  [3] Release at Apache AGE website 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Andrew Ko]

Hello John,

The number 68 includes

   -

   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
   -

   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
   clarify how to use AGE.

Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
and tight community.


Regards

Andrew Ko

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
>
> > Hello Willem,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> > Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> > sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> start
> > the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Eya
> >
> > On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> > > even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> > > I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> > > addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> > > The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> > > of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> > >
> > > It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> > > policies during the incubation process.
> > >
> > > Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> > >
> > > [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> > > [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> > > [3]
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Willem Jiang
> > >
> > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Everyone,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> > with a
> > > > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> > Apache
> > > > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > > >
> > > > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
> AGE
> > > > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Close to 900 commits
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >68 unique contributors
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> > companies/institutions
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> > (mentors
> > > >and PPMC members excluded)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe
> including
> > > >Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> > Israel,
> > > >Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> > Russia, South
> > > >Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions
> of
> > AGE.
> > > >[5]
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> > > >-
> > > >
> > > >Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> > and
> > > >didn't find any issues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> > > >
> > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> > > >
> > > > [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under
> the
> > > > Releases menu.
> > > >
> > > > [4] https://age.apache.org/
> > > >
> > > > [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
> > under
> > > > the Documentation menu.
> > > >
> > > > [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
> > > >  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> > > >
> > > > Please see 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Dave Fisher]

Four more concerns:

(1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.

(2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not mapped 
their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?

(3) No one has been added to the PPMC.

(4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that 
indicates they are not. [1]

Regards,
Dave

[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/150

> On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Willem,
>> 
>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Eya
>> 
>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
>>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
>>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
>>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
>>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
>>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
>>> 
>>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
>>> policies during the incubation process.
>>> 
>>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
>>> 
>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
>>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
>>> [3]
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Willem Jiang
>>> 
>>> Twitter: willemjiang
>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
 
 Dear Everyone,
 
 
 Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
>> with a
 vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
>> Apache
 AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
 
 We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
 
 In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
 project community has grown in the following areas:
 
 
   -
 
   Close to 900 commits
   -
 
   68 unique contributors
   -
 
   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
>> companies/institutions
   -
 
   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
   -
 
   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
   -
 
   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
>> (mentors
   and PPMC members excluded)
 
 
   -
 
   Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
   Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
>> Israel,
   Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
>> Russia, South
   Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
   -
 
   Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
   -
 
   Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
>> AGE.
   [5]
   -
 
   Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
   -
 
   Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
>> and
   didn't find any issues
 
 
 
 [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
 
 [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
 
 [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
 Releases menu.
 
 [4] https://age.apache.org/
 
 [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
>> under
 the Documentation menu.
 
 [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
  under the COMMUNITY menu.
 
 Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
 think.
 
 The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
 
 
>> 
 
 Establish the Apache AGE Project
 
 WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
 
 the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>> establish
 
 a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>> maintenance
 
 of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
 
 related to combining the 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[John D. Ament]

Hi

Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?

John


On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal  wrote:

> Hello Willem,
>
> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start
> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
>
> Best regards,
> Eya
>
> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> > even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> > I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> > addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> > The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> > of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> >
> > It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> > policies during the incubation process.
> >
> > Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> >
> > [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> > [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> > [3]
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone,
> > >
> > >
> > > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> with a
> > > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> Apache
> > > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> > >
> > > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> > >
> > > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > > project community has grown in the following areas:
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >Close to 900 commits
> > >-
> > >
> > >68 unique contributors
> > >-
> > >
> > >4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> companies/institutions
> > >-
> > >
> > >Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> > >-
> > >
> > >4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> > >-
> > >
> > >6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> (mentors
> > >and PPMC members excluded)
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> > >Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> Israel,
> > >Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> Russia, South
> > >Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> > >-
> > >
> > >Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> > >-
> > >
> > >Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of
> AGE.
> > >[5]
> > >-
> > >
> > >Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> > >-
> > >
> > >Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> and
> > >didn't find any issues
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> > >
> > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> > >
> > > [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> > > Releases menu.
> > >
> > > [4] https://age.apache.org/
> > >
> > > [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website 
> under
> > > the Documentation menu.
> > >
> > > [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
> > >  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> > >
> > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > > think.
> > >
> > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > >
> 
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache AGE Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > >
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > >
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > >
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > >
> > > related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open
> technology
> > >
> > > with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > >
> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
> > >
> > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
> > >
> > > the creation and 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Hello Willem, 

Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official Apache 
releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a sub-project 
of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start the process for 
the first Apache release today or tomorrow. 

Best regards, 
Eya 

On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> 
> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> policies during the incubation process.
> 
> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> 
> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> [3]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> 
> Willem Jiang
> 
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Everyone,
> >
> >
> > Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
> > vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
> > AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> >
> > We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> >
> > In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> > project community has grown in the following areas:
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >Close to 900 commits
> >-
> >
> >68 unique contributors
> >-
> >
> >4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
> >-
> >
> >Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >-
> >
> >4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >-
> >
> >6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
> >and PPMC members excluded)
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
> >Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
> >Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, 
> > South
> >Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >-
> >
> >Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >-
> >
> >Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
> >[5]
> >-
> >
> >Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> >-
> >
> >Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
> >didn't find any issues
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> >
> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> >
> > [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> > Releases menu.
> >
> > [4] https://age.apache.org/
> >
> > [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
> > the Documentation menu.
> >
> > [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
> >  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> >
> > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > think.
> >
> > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Establish the Apache AGE Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> >
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> >
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> >
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> >
> > related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology
> >
> > with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> >
> > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
> >
> > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
> >
> > the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most
> >
> > widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced
> >
> > relational database system software.; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby
> >
> > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> >
> > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
> >
> > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> >
> > scope of 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Willem Jiang]

Hi,

I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.

It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
policies during the incubation process.

Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.

[1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
[2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
[3]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal  wrote:
>
> Dear Everyone,
>
>
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>
> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>
> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> project community has grown in the following areas:
>
>
>-
>
>Close to 900 commits
>-
>
>68 unique contributors
>-
>
>4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
>-
>
>Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>-
>
>4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>-
>
>6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
>and PPMC members excluded)
>
>
>-
>
>Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
>Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, South
>Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>-
>
>Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>-
>
>Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
>[5]
>-
>
>Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>-
>
>Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
>didn't find any issues
>
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
>
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
>
> [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> Releases menu.
>
> [4] https://age.apache.org/
>
> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
> the Documentation menu.
>
> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>  under the COMMUNITY menu.
>
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
>
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache AGE Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
>
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>
> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology
>
> with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
>
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
>
> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most
>
> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced
>
> relational database system software.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby
>
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
>
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
>
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>
> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:
>
> * Dehowe Feng 
>
> * Eya Badal 
>
> * Felix Cheung 
>
> * Jasper Blues 
>
> * John Gemignani 
>
> * Josh Innis 
>
> * Juan Pan 
>
> * Kevin Ratnasekera 
>
> * Mason Sharp 
>
> * Raphael Bircher 
>
> * Suneel Marthi 
>
> * Von Gosling 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed to
>
> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with
>
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Dave Fisher]

No one has had time to review.

I would like to hear from the AGE mentors.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Eya Badal  wrote:
> 
> I am closing this [DISCUSS] thread now and will start the VOTE shortly to 
> graduate Apache AGE (incubating) as a top level project. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> Eya
> 
>> On 2021/12/13 21:04:30 Eya Badal wrote:
>> Dear Everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
>> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
>> 
>> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
>> 
>> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
>> project community has grown in the following areas:
>> 
>> 
>>   -
>> 
>>   Close to 900 commits
>>   -
>> 
>>   68 unique contributors
>>   -
>> 
>>   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
>>   -
>> 
>>   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>>   -
>> 
>>   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>>   -
>> 
>>   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
>>   and PPMC members excluded)
>> 
>> 
>>   -
>> 
>>   Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>>   Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
>>   Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, South
>>   Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>>   -
>> 
>>   Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>>   -
>> 
>>   Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
>>   [5]
>>   -
>> 
>>   Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>>   -
>> 
>>   Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
>>   didn't find any issues
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
>> 
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
>> 
>> [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
>> Releases menu.
>> 
>> [4] https://age.apache.org/
>> 
>> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
>> the Documentation menu.
>> 
>> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>>  under the COMMUNITY menu.
>> 
>> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
>> think.
>> 
>> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Establish the Apache AGE Project
>> 
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>> 
>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>> 
>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
>> 
>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>> 
>> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology
>> 
>> with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>> 
>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
>> 
>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
>> 
>> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most
>> 
>> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced
>> 
>> relational database system software.; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby
>> 
>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
>> 
>> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
>> 
>> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>> 
>> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>> 
>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:
>> 
>> * Dehowe Feng 
>> 
>> * Eya Badal 
>> 
>> * Felix Cheung 
>> 
>> * Jasper Blues 
>> 
>> * John Gemignani 
>> 
>> * Josh Innis 
>> 
>> * Juan Pan 
>> 
>> * Kevin Ratnasekera 
>> 
>> * Mason Sharp 
>> 
>> * Raphael Bircher 
>> 
>> * Suneel Marthi 
>> 
>> * Von Gosling 
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed to
>> 
>> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with
>> 
>> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
>> 
>> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>> 
>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with the
>> 
>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

I am closing this [DISCUSS] thread now and will start the VOTE shortly to 
graduate Apache AGE (incubating) as a top level project. 

Best regards, 
Eya

On 2021/12/13 21:04:30 Eya Badal wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
> 
> 
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> 
> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> 
> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
> project community has grown in the following areas:
> 
> 
>-
> 
>Close to 900 commits
>-
> 
>68 unique contributors
>-
> 
>4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
>-
> 
>Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
>-
> 
>4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
>-
> 
>6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
>and PPMC members excluded)
> 
> 
>-
> 
>Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
>Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
>Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, South
>Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
>-
> 
>Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
>-
> 
>Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
>[5]
>-
> 
>Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
>-
> 
>Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
>didn't find any issues
> 
> 
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> 
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> 
> [3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
> Releases menu.
> 
> [4] https://age.apache.org/
> 
> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
> the Documentation menu.
> 
> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
>  under the COMMUNITY menu.
> 
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
> 
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> 
> 
> Establish the Apache AGE Project
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> 
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> 
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> 
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> 
> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology
> 
> with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> 
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
> 
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for
> 
> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most
> 
> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced
> 
> relational database system software.; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby
> 
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> 
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
> 
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> 
> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> 
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:
> 
> * Dehowe Feng 
> 
> * Eya Badal 
> 
> * Felix Cheung 
> 
> * Jasper Blues 
> 
> * John Gemignani 
> 
> * Josh Innis 
> 
> * Juan Pan 
> 
> * Kevin Ratnasekera 
> 
> * Mason Sharp 
> 
> * Raphael Bircher 
> 
> * Suneel Marthi 
> 
> * Von Gosling 
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed to
> 
> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with
> 
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> 
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> 
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> 
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE podling; and
> 
> be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> 
> AGE podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time and consideration,
> 
> Eya, on behalf of the Apache AGE (incubating) community
> 

[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project

[Eya Badal]

Dear Everyone,


Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.

We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.

In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the AGE
project community has grown in the following areas:


   -

   Close to 900 commits
   -

   68 unique contributors
   -

   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different companies/institutions
   -

   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
   -

   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
   -

   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers (mentors
   and PPMC members excluded)


   -

   Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe including
   Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel,
   Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, Russia, South
   Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
   -

   Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
   -

   Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions of AGE.
   [5]
   -

   Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
   -

   Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] and
   didn't find any issues



[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9

[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm

[3] Release at Apache AGE website  under the
Releases menu.

[4] https://age.apache.org/

[5] Documentation at Apache AGE website  under
the Documentation menu.

[6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
 under the COMMUNITY menu.

Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
think.

The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.



Establish the Apache AGE Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of

the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish

a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance

of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,

related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open technology

with one of the most advanced relational database system software.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee

(PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is

established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible for

the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the most

widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most advanced

relational database system software.; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and hereby

is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of

the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to

have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the

scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are

appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:

* Dehowe Feng 

* Eya Badal 

* Felix Cheung 

* Jasper Blues 

* John Gemignani 

* Josh Innis 

* Juan Pan 

* Kevin Ratnasekera 

* Mason Sharp 

* Raphael Bircher 

* Suneel Marthi 

* Von Gosling 

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed to

the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with

and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of

the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or

disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with the

migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE podling; and

be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator

AGE podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter



Thank you for your time and consideration,

Eya, on behalf of the Apache AGE (incubating) community