Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kim H.]

 Rivendell Susie Frame (LG) - $1,750 (haight ashbury) 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-susie-frame-lg/7687992506.html

Kim Hetzel.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:15:10 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Is that Llambo’s cheviot? It is lovely 殺 
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:53:30 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I know that bike!  Well loved and well riden with a great owner
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> I think I recognize that bike. Orange Cheviot in Brooklyn? See him 
>>> around from time to time. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_6778_Original.jpeg]Here’s a candidate for beausage of the 
 month…
 Not for sale as far as I know, so the wrong post, but with all the talk 
 of tough lockups, this one stood out to me.
 -Kai


 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:

> "Who are you going to believe?? Me, or your own eyes??"  -Groucho
>
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:01, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate 
>> being told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot 
>> on 
>> Craigslist. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". 
>>> YMMV I guess.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 52cm CLEM "L"

 This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle 
 with so many scratches. YIKES !


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:

> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post 
> :o) 
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>
>> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 
>> 150 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>>
>>> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 
>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]

 Clem H
 52cm
 $741
 New Jersey
 https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Michael Baquerizo]

for the same reason people seem to like woom i've tried to avoid it. kinda 
fits in line (IMO) with liking rivendell. its a bit off the beaten path. 

with that said, we came upon our kids first bike through a buy nothing 
group on facebook. the brand is kokua, and it weighs less than most if not 
all the balance bikes on the market. weight weenie i am not, but a kid 
needs a light bike. and a parent needs a light bike when theyre forced to 
carry it.

i liked the bike enough that when it came time to bump up to the next size 
(with pedals this time) i searched for a used kokua 16 pedal bike. unlike 
woom, they DON'T hold their value that well so when i found one i ended up 
only paying $100 for it. 


On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:35:39 PM UTC-5 J wrote:

> The Woom 3 was perfect for a 4 year old who just could'nt grasp balancing 
> once the training wheels were taken off. I truly beleive that training 
> wheels hinder a kid from learning to ride, the balance bikes are the way to 
> go. The day the Woom arrives I removed the pedals and had the kiddo ride it 
> like his balance bike 15 minutes later I put the pedals back on and he rode 
> off into the sunset never to be seen again. Woom for the win!
>
> J
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:56:28 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Folks - thank you so much for all of your incredibly helpful & thoughtful 
>> responses! I've read through each one multiple times and feel so much 
>> better informed now and can't wait to transition to the pedaling years with 
>> my son!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 Nick Shoemaker wrote:
>>
>>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>>
>>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[J]

The Woom 3 was perfect for a 4 year old who just could'nt grasp balancing 
once the training wheels were taken off. I truly beleive that training 
wheels hinder a kid from learning to ride, the balance bikes are the way to 
go. The day the Woom arrives I removed the pedals and had the kiddo ride it 
like his balance bike 15 minutes later I put the pedals back on and he rode 
off into the sunset never to be seen again. Woom for the win!

J

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:56:28 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks - thank you so much for all of your incredibly helpful & thoughtful 
> responses! I've read through each one multiple times and feel so much 
> better informed now and can't wait to transition to the pedaling years with 
> my son!
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 Nick Shoemaker wrote:
>
>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>
>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

[larson....@gmail.com]

Bump.
Giving this another try.
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:40:06 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I was going to mention the same thing!
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-5 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> The rear derailleur on that eBay Lantis is not long for this world! 
>>  Yikes!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> ebay.com 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:52 PM, larson@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
>>> have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Randy in WI
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Kim H.]

Thank you, John.
Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 4:49 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second)
> run of Platypie
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Leah -
>> Is this what you are looking for ?
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA)
>>> when I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next
>>> county West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that
>>> pic is exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it
>>> to the side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they
>>> don't want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter
>>> rushes begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>>
 Hi Roberta!

 Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel
 comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the
 hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and
 it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't
 overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train
 crew really cares.

 There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will
 accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run
 on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North,
 MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating
 flipped up in the vestibule:

 [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]

 Bob

 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer
> to take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is
> on an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like
> to know how to do it.
>
> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer
> Philadelphia commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.
>
> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience
> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The
> drivers were quite nice about that.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick
> wrote:
>
>> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the
>> time would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require
>> unscrewing the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper 
>> brakes
>> wider tires can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab
>> is moved, requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be
>> fender contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed
>> to sway back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do 
>> it
>> very frequently.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Bob :) ,
>>>
>>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel
>>> off first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter
>>> without the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>>
>>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up,
>>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
>>> lift
>>> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of
 storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line.

 The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that
 runs between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the 
 Empire
 Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
 hanging
 the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be
 removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. 
 On the
 return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel 
 on
 the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland
 rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
 my
 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
 would
 fit in that 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Johnny Alien]

No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second) 
run of Platypie

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Leah -
> Is this what you are looking for ?
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when 
>> I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
>> West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
>> exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
>> side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
>> want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
>> begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Roberta!
>>>
>>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
>>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
>>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
>>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
>>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
>>> crew really cares.
>>>
>>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
>>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
>>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
>>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
>>> flipped up in the vestibule:
>>>
>>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
 take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
 an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
 know how to do it.  

 Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
 commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.

 I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
 putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
 drivers were quite nice about that.

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require 
> unscrewing 
> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider 
> tires 
> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to 
> sway 
> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
> frequently.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob :) , 
>>
>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
>> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter 
>> without 
>> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>
>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
>> lift 
>> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>>
>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
>>> hanging 
>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
>>> the 
>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel 
>>> on 
>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
>>> my 
>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
>>> would 
>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>>
>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Kim H.]

@Leah -
Is this what you are looking for ?
https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when 
> I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
> West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
> exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
> side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
> want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
> begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> Hi Roberta!
>>
>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
>> crew really cares.
>>
>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
>> flipped up in the vestibule:
>>
>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
>>> take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
>>> an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
>>> know how to do it.  
>>>
>>> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
>>> commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.
>>>
>>> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
>>> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
>>> drivers were quite nice about that.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
 would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
 the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider 
 tires 
 can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
 requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
 contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
 back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
 frequently.


 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> Hi, Bob :) , 
>
> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>
> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
> lift 
> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>
>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
>> hanging 
>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
>> the 
>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
>> my 
>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
>> would 
>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>
>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>
>>
>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the 
>> same bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just 
>> fine!
>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>>
>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and 
>> get on the South Shore 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Bill Lindsay]

I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy 
is a bad ass.  
Excellent work 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the 
> Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home after 
> dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
> an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Ed Carolipio]

Thanks for taking the time to write this up and post the photos. That ride 
looked great. I love the build, and I bet it rides as good as it looks. 
Enjoyed every bit of your post.

Ed C.
Redondo Beach, CA

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the 
> Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home after 
> dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
> an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

You're all such a good bunch. Thanks for such supportive posts. 

Scott -- It may interest you to know that NOVA parks is, at long last, 
building a W trail bridge over Whiele Avenue. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Congratulations on completing your first century! Thanks for the report 
> and all the pics. An ideal day and route for a century.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
>> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
>> an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: 2x Schwalbe Marathon Almotion (700x47, 50-622, 28x2.00) - $75 shipped

[Irving]

 
I have 2x Schwalbe Marathon Almotion folding tires 
, ridden for 
about 250 miles, still in excellent condition. They measured out closer to 
700x47 on my Velocity DYAD and Alex Adventurer 2 rims.

They seem like a really well made and faster/lighter alternative for wire 
bead Schwalbe Big Ben's, Kenda Kwick Nine's and Continental Contact 
Urban's. Read the Bicycle Rolling Resistance review here 

!

$75 shipped and I'll put them in a USPS priority Tyvek envelope without any 
extra packaging.

-Irving
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini F/F - Dark Gold

[Johnny Alien]

Sold. Thanks everyone

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:09:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Sadly I am in the same position. So if you have been eying up a roadini in 
> this size then I've got the deal for you and you would be helping me out 
> immensely. Brand new frame, never built up or ridden. Comes with the stuff 
> in the previous post plus a brand new set of Tektro sidepulls.
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to maybe be able to hold onto this but it looks like thats 
>> not the best path for me right now. No parts left but it will still come 
>> with the stock seatpost, the 113 bottom bracket installed, and the extra 
>> 110 bottom bracket. Brand new with no issues. I could do *$1000 shipped.*
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Will do! The XTR stuff and crankset was claimed but I can post some 
>>> photos of the stem and bars and such. I should mention that I will include 
>>> Tektro long reach brakes with the frame as well cable stops for the shifter 
>>> mounts. The Tektros look new to me. I think I got them from someone here.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I highly recommend posting photos or a link to same. Someone will snap 
 this up once they see it*

 *Someone like me if it was 6-or-so months from now. I don't quite have 
 the funds at the moment. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:36:01 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I have parts that I will be selling if you want anything included. I 
> have a Blue Lug power quill stem, wavie bars, xtr rapid rise rd (the gray 
> one from the 90's), matching xtr FD, and a SPA (unbranded Sugino XD2) 
> c165 
> crankset.  Feel free to hit me up for the frame, parts, package deal, 
> etc. 
> Anything will be help. Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Sadly a family issue with my parents' health has popped up and I 
>> won't have time or money to do anything bike build related for quite 
>> some 
>> time. I just got this frame and was planning on a fall project but as 
>> noted 
>> above its not happening. This had some parts installed but is pretty 
>> much 
>> just as it came from Rivendell. Never got to a point far enough to get 
>> any 
>> dings or marks or anything. The fork is installed and the kalloy 
>> seatpost 
>> will of course be included. The one thing I did do so far is swap the 
>> bottom bracket from a 110 to a 113 so it would work better with a triple 
>> (or wide range triple with a guard). I will include the 110 BB that came 
>> with it. These cost around $1400 to get shipped to you from Rivendell. I 
>> will sell this one for $1100 shipped anywhere in the USA. I really hate 
>> to 
>> do this but hopefully someone here can help me out and also get a great 
>> looking bike.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Modemmisuser,

Best of luck on your bar search and congrats to your spouse on her return 
to cycling!  I certainly endorse bar/stem swapping... both on the bike and 
off the bike (via trades.)  I have been in your scenario feeling 'meh' with 
certain set-ups and previously bought some new parts here or there to try 
when I actually had some disposable income as well as more free time for 
wrenching.  Since then my available funds and free time have significantly 
reduced but I've still managed to opportunistically offload and obtain 
various bars and components through mutually beneficial trades in recent 
years with the added bonus of simply covering your own shipping, thus 
avoiding any other exchange of funds in many cases.  They don't all 
necessarily balance out exactly and some were larger or more complex multi 
component trade arrangements growing out of a single WTT/WTB or FS post 
while some had occasional partial fund exchanges to offset value 
imbalances, etc.  Some just end up lopsided on the shipping end but 
ultimately it's been a wash in my view even if on the losing end of a 
shipping disparity as it's helped reduce my own excess while gaining 
something desired and avoiding managing my own garage sale of spare parts.  
That may sound like I'm against selling parts.  I'm NOT!  I just know I 
don't personally have the capacity right now to manage my own listings and 
then add some seller remorse from a part here or there so I've kind of 
hoarded what remains while awaiting an opportune moment to either use, 
trade, or sell when ready.  Sorry for the digression, that's not even 
relevant to your query.

With so many drop bars out there I'm sure there may be one that will meet 
all your needs and may take time to try and identify it.  It may even 
require a compromise on stem preference or aesthetics if willing to 
consider other clamp diameters.  I may have missed it but don't think you 
mentioned what exact size Noodle you have?  I went through several 
different bars and ultimately found the Nitto RM013 (in 52cm) got me about 
90% where I wanted to be with drops once I acquired the wider size.  I was 
initially very confused on how so many drops are sized differently... even 
among Nitto made models like the Noodle vs. RM-013 Dirt Drop which are 
measured completely different for size designation!  Once I got to try the 
next size up (finding my middle sized 48cm just a little too narrow for me) 
I found a near goldilocks bar offering most of what I wanted in a varied 
drop and liked the unique drop only flare with traditional ramps for mixed 
terrain riding.  Now I'm back to lacking a drop bar build with the dirt 
drops in reserve again.

I tried RM-016 Moustache as well as a butterfly trekking bar on various 
builds and these comparisons led me to believe I'd like an Albastache to 
kind of meet in the middle between the two styles/widths but then I 
ultimately found some unexpected results with both a Chocomoose as well as 
a Soma Urban Pursuit bar.  These are now mounted on two different builds 
but actually have similar characteristics in their long uninterrupted 
'ramp' type grip area once I switched to bar end brake levers and a full 
grip tape wrap from end to stem junction on the Chocomoose.  On the Soma 
pursuit bar the bar end brake levers are out front kind of like hooded road 
levers and have nice and looong, flat ramp sections giving lots of room to 
move.  These are admittedly on single speeds with no concern for shifter 
placement but with potential for thumb or stem shifters away from the grip 
areas.  I briefly used the Urban Pursuit bar with a traditional Sturmey 
Archer three speed trigger shifter mounted on the bottom side of the right 
corner along the flats with tape over the clamp and that worked pretty well 
until I went a different direction with the bike.  You obviously lose the 
drop area when moving to something like the moustache, pursuit, or Choco 
bar but once I realized I appreciated having a long uninterrupted grip to 
move around I didn't really miss the drop on those builds that much.

At one point I really liked *most *things about the widest Salsa Cowbell 
EXCEPT the reach and short ramp.  Maybe on a geared road bike with big 
brifters I wouldn't have minded but with the non-brifter Tektro levers I 
was using I just couldn't find a happy spot along the short ramps and 
didn't like being limited to the hood itself.  Otherwise the width, flare, 
drops, flats all felt great (to me) after ruling out various other drops.

Again, best of luck on your bar adventure!

Brian Cole




On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:34:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Fwiw, just a few observations in case they help someone find an ideal bar 
> shape.
>
> For a medium+ size American man (ideal level tt size is 60 c-c), I've got 
> relatively short arms and small hands, and yet my favorite bar of all time 
> is a long reach traditional bend Maes Parallel, precisely because 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[RichS]

Nick,

Congratulations on completing your first century! Thanks for the report and 
all the pics. An ideal day and route for a century.

Best,
Rich in ATL 

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the 
> Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home after 
> dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
> an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Patrick Moore]

Fwiw, just a few observations in case they help someone find an ideal bar
shape.

For a medium+ size American man (ideal level tt size is 60 c-c), I've got
relatively short arms and small hands, and yet my favorite bar of all time
is a long reach traditional bend Maes Parallel, precisely because of the
long ramps. I install my bars with ends parallel to the ground, and that
does effectively shorten the ramps somewhat, since I like my brake levers
positioned rather higher than the old-fasiohned "ends of lever even with
bottom of hooks" standard, but nonetheless it is the long ramps of the MP
-- 115 mm, 20 mm longer than the Noodle. The difference is the relatively
shallow drop: 125 mm versus 140 mm. I make up for the longer reach with a
relatively short stem: 8 cm (typical effective length and not Nitto
length).

I switched from short reach (95 mm) large drop (140 mm) Nitto drop bar with
agressive hooks* to the Maes Parallels. I compensated by raising the stem
from 7.5  cm below saddle to the current 3-3.5 cm below saddle to
accommodate an aging neck, but the longer ramps still allow a comfortable
aero position on the hoods and in the hooks because of the longer reach,
while the middle of the long ramps allow a more upright cruising position
and the flats are closer, thanks to the higher stem, than with the earlier
one. Altogether the best of all worlds, imo.

* Nitto 165? IIRC the Nitto Dream Bar, #176, was a Rivendell modification
of the one I have in mind.

OTOH, if you want what is effectively a no-reach bar: I installed a
Specialized Hover bar on the Monocog because even trimmed and adjusted
upright bar (MAP/Ahearne) with Ergon grips were not as comfortable as
drops; yet I needed a short bar to compensate for the long top tube.

With a 7 cm +30* stem the Hover gives me a riding position rather more
upright and relaxed than my already rather relaxed road drop position,
though with the Monocog I could probably benefit even further with a
miniscule 30 mm or so reach Analog stem, as long as the rise was great
enough. The Hover has essentially no ramps between flat and hoods, only
enough required by the bends in the tubing. It's pretty comfortable, but
even better would be a sufficiently high no-extension stem with -- yep, a
wider Maes Parallel. If I replace the Moncog and can't get a custom with
short top tube, I'll use an Analog stem and a wide 44 cm Maes Parallel a cm
or 2 above saddle.


On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:46 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Modemmisuser,
>
> Just my $0.02, but as someone who could never figure out the attraction of
> Nitto Noodles (I have relatively short arms and small hands, so any
> remotely long-reach handlebar will just never work...), I find Soma's
> Highway One (Hwy 1) handlebar to be just perfect -- short reach,
> shallow-ish drop, comfortable bends.  (Absence of pressure on hands in our
> cases is probably the result of other aspects of the set-up, though.)
>
> I've had it on my Saluki, and it's currently on a Bianchi Volpe that's
> done up with silver bits.  My boyfriend uses it on his Sam Hillborne (2008
> or so vintage) and his Long Haul Trucker.  I use STI levers with it;
> boyfriend has bar ends, for the moment, on both of his set-ups.  Super
> comfortable.
>
> As they say, though, your mileage may vary!  Good luck!
>
> -- Liz
> Washington, DC
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Patrick Moore]

Fwiw, just a few observations in case they help someone find an ideal bar
shape.

For a medium+ size American man (ideal level tt size is 60 c-c), I've got
relatively short arms and small hands, and yet my favorite bar of all time
is a long reach traditional bend Maes Parallel, precisely because of the
long ramps. I install my bars with ends parallel to the ground, and that
does effectively shorten the ramps somewhat, since I like my brake levers
positioned rather higher than the old-fasiohned "ends of lever even with
bottom of hooks" standard, but nonetheless it is the long ramps of the MP
-- 115 mm, 20 mm longer than the Noodle. The difference is the relatively
shallow drop: 125 mm versus 140 mm. I make up for the longer reach with a
relatively short stem: 8 cm (typical effective length and not Nitto
length).

I switched from short reach (95 mm) large drop (140 mm) Nitto drop bar with
agressive hooks* to the Maes Parallels. I compensated by raising the stem
from 7.5  cm below saddle to the current 3-3.5 cm below saddle to
accommodate an aging neck, but the longer ramps still allow a comfortable
aero position on the hoods and in the hooks because of the longer reach,
while the middle of the long ramps allow a more upright cruising position
and the flats are closer, thanks to the higher stem, than with the earlier
one. Altogether the best of all worlds, imo.

* Nitto 165? IIRC the Nitto Dream Bar, #176, was a Rivendell modification
of the one I have in mind.



On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:46 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Modemmisuser,
>
> Just my $0.02, but as someone who could never figure out the attraction of
> Nitto Noodles (I have relatively short arms and small hands, so any
> remotely long-reach handlebar will just never work...), I find Soma's
> Highway One (Hwy 1) handlebar to be just perfect -- short reach,
> shallow-ish drop, comfortable bends.  (Absence of pressure on hands in our
> cases is probably the result of other aspects of the set-up, though.)
>
> I've had it on my Saluki, and it's currently on a Bianchi Volpe that's
> done up with silver bits.  My boyfriend uses it on his Sam Hillborne (2008
> or so vintage) and his Long Haul Trucker.  I use STI levers with it;
> boyfriend has bar ends, for the moment, on both of his set-ups.  Super
> comfortable.
>
> As they say, though, your mileage may vary!  Good luck!
>
> -- Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter.
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Bill Lindsay]

Don't forget the reason for "No edit capacity".  When you post something on 
google groups, you are sending an email.  The reason you can't edit a 
google groups post is the same reason you can't edit an email that you've 
sent to dozens of people.  The fact that almost all of us view google 
groups as a webpage doesn't change what happens under the hood.  There are 
still a proud few who still only interact with Google groups in their email 
client.  Bizarre but true.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:01:00 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit 
> capacity is maddening...)
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you 
>> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That 
>> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well 
>> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 
>>
>> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
>> then double click it to make it full size. 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
>>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
>>> sure what it looks like
>>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
 on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
 just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
 bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
 I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
 lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
 rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 

 Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
 repair! 

 On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube 
> if 
> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry 
> about 
> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance 
> to 
> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down 
>> stairs sounds 
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
>> it's prob
>> fixable 
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to 
>>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, 
>>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, 
>>> etc.). 
>>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you 
>>> would 
>>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>>> can 
>>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel 
>>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>>> expected. 
>>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>>> off. I 
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of 
>>> the 
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen 
>>> it 
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting 
>>> to 
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>>> keep 
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>>> curious 
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Bill Lindsay]

My purple Rivendell is pretty different from most other purple Rivendells. 
 I was going for a "mineral purple" and the name of the shade is Amethyst 
Smoke.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51310826119/in/photolist-26anPuR-2iHBJM3-2iHDjYZ-2mbaoXR

Bill "smoke 'em if you got 'em" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Nick Shoemaker]

Folks - thank you so much for all of your incredibly helpful & thoughtful 
responses! I've read through each one multiple times and feel so much 
better informed now and can't wait to transition to the pedaling years with 
my son!

Nick

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 Nick Shoemaker wrote:

> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>
> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
> balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
> they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
> bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
> also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
> definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
> Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
> in advance for your help!
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Modemmisuser,

Just my $0.02, but as someone who could never figure out the attraction of 
Nitto Noodles (I have relatively short arms and small hands, so any 
remotely long-reach handlebar will just never work...), I find Soma's 
Highway One (Hwy 1) handlebar to be just perfect -- short reach, 
shallow-ish drop, comfortable bends.  (Absence of pressure on hands in our 
cases is probably the result of other aspects of the set-up, though.) 

I've had it on my Saluki, and it's currently on a Bianchi Volpe that's done 
up with silver bits.  My boyfriend uses it on his Sam Hillborne (2008 or so 
vintage) and his Long Haul Trucker.  I use STI levers with it; boyfriend 
has bar ends, for the moment, on both of his set-ups.  Super comfortable.

As they say, though, your mileage may vary!  Good luck!

-- Liz
Washington, DC 




On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[Patrick Moore]

Jerking this thread slightly off-topic: does anyone know of a combined
brake booster/housing stop? I refer to the arch brake boosters that used to
be sold for mtb cantilever brakes 30+ years ago to stiffen fork legs and
stays for more solid braking.

Reason: my Matthews #2, the equivalent of a 60 cm or greather c-c with
level tt (actual: 58 c-c with upsloping tt and extended head and steeer)
but built for 559 wheels has hugely long steerer and head made from skinny
relatively lightweight tubing, with the resultant tendency for front brake
grab and chatter. The precision-built Paul Neo Retros in front minimize
this so that there is only the vaguest ghost of shudder -- it's acceptable
-- but it still happens under hard front braking.

A more-or-less fork-crown-level stop would remove the forces causing
steerer flex. However, the Matthews does not have a drilled crown, and I
can't drill a hole for a crown-mount hanger because the fender mounting
boss takes up too much room inside the crown.*

I expect I'd pass on such a device, even if one is available, for aesthetic
reasons -- again, residual chatter is minimized by the Pauls -- but I'd
like to know if one is available.

* A tangential observation: IME with several bikes built with threaded
fender mounting bosses inside the bottom of the steerer, it's very hard to
get enough threads underneath a caliper brake mounting bolt, unless you
"artificially" extend the steerer below the crown. I've stripped the
threads of several such bosses built for caliper brakes rendering the boss
unusable while the ruined boss remains to block installation of a steerer
daruma. The Matthews #2 was built for cantilevers and therefore does not
have to accommodate a caliper mounting bolt, but with the boss designed
deep enough for enough threads to be secure, there's no room to drill it
for a fork-mounted housing stop.



On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:11 AM JohnS  wrote:

> This is timely, the Shove Research FMBCH...
>
> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>
> Bling for the bike, about the same cost as the RH.
>
> Back to Adam's point that fork mounted hangers won't work with center pull
> brakes, seems to me someone should make an integrated backing plate/hanger.
> That would nice!
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:16:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> One factor in reducing front brake cable friction is a gradual, "natural"
>> bend in the housing between its exit from the bar tape (aero levers, of
>> course) and where it meets the stop. If your stem is high so that the
>> housing leaves the bar tape (I'm assuming you use aero levers) far above
>> the housing stop then I expect that a hanger with the angled noodle can
>> actually make the bend tighter and less efficient for cable travel.
>>
>> Because my errand road bike (2020 Matthews custom) has a high stack --
>> upsloping tt and extended steerer and head -- the stem and therefore the
>> bar is positioned relatively low above the headset. When I built the bike I
>> installed a very nice, stiff, steel Shimano hanger but it has only about 1
>> cm of drop. Together with the close bar the housing has to bend tightly
>> when it exits the tape to meet the hanger. In this case, the angled noodle
>> on the PS hanger would allow a more gradual bend.
>>
>> I recently bought a Rene Herse cable housing hanger, paying $59 because
>> no one else offers a stiff, silver, steerer-mount housing hanger with a
>> deep drop. While the Shimano hanger drops 1 cm, the RH drops fully 3.5 cm
>> and will allow a much more "natural" bend.
>>
>> I have to confess that the tight bend with the short Shimano hanger
>> hasn't caused a great deal of cable friction, but there's room for
>> improvement, and since this is a "nice" bike I want to reduce it to the
>> minimum possible. The longer RH hanger will do that. It also makes the
>> housing bend look nicer.
>>
>> Tektro offers a deep-drop hanger for about $13 but that one is quill
>> mounted so that you lose a cm of drop because it is clamped above headset
>> locknut and a thin spacer. Of course, the PS hanger not only clamps to the
>> quill but it's about a cm shorter than the Tektro and RH hangers.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>>
>> > Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable
>> hanger? The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?
>>
>> > I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of
>> these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup
>> the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no
>> real reason. I'm > thinking that I should change the setup, any
>> recommendations? Or is this not an issue?
>>
>> > When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable
>> noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I
>> can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into 

Re: [RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[Adam]

Thanks for the thoughts all.

And Garth, thanks for that picture. Now I see how it could make sense. 
Unfortunately, my bars are high drops, so the angle ends up creating a 
weird double bend that requires me to overshoot the hanger and loop back 
into it from the opposite side--I know a pic would help here, but this site 
makes it too difficult to upload.

Is there any reason NOT to go with the quill mounted Tektro? The Paul one 
is also quill-mounted, right?

I may not change this now, but it's annoying me and I'm moving other stuff 
around, so maybe doing it all now makes sense.

thanks

Adam



On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:11:03 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> This is timely, the Shove Research FMBCH...
>
> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>
> Bling for the bike, about the same cost as the RH.
>
> Back to Adam's point that fork mounted hangers won't work with center pull 
> brakes, seems to me someone should make an integrated backing plate/hanger. 
> That would nice!
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:16:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> One factor in reducing front brake cable friction is a gradual, "natural" 
>> bend in the housing between its exit from the bar tape (aero levers, of 
>> course) and where it meets the stop. If your stem is high so that the 
>> housing leaves the bar tape (I'm assuming you use aero levers) far above 
>> the housing stop then I expect that a hanger with the angled noodle can 
>> actually make the bend tighter and less efficient for cable travel.
>>
>> Because my errand road bike (2020 Matthews custom) has a high stack -- 
>> upsloping tt and extended steerer and head -- the stem and therefore the 
>> bar is positioned relatively low above the headset. When I built the bike I 
>> installed a very nice, stiff, steel Shimano hanger but it has only about 1 
>> cm of drop. Together with the close bar the housing has to bend tightly 
>> when it exits the tape to meet the hanger. In this case, the angled noodle 
>> on the PS hanger would allow a more gradual bend.
>>
>> I recently bought a Rene Herse cable housing hanger, paying $59 because 
>> no one else offers a stiff, silver, steerer-mount housing hanger with a 
>> deep drop. While the Shimano hanger drops 1 cm, the RH drops fully 3.5 cm 
>> and will allow a much more "natural" bend.
>>
>> I have to confess that the tight bend with the short Shimano hanger 
>> hasn't caused a great deal of cable friction, but there's room for 
>> improvement, and since this is a "nice" bike I want to reduce it to the 
>> minimum possible. The longer RH hanger will do that. It also makes the 
>> housing bend look nicer.
>>
>> Tektro offers a deep-drop hanger for about $13 but that one is quill 
>> mounted so that you lose a cm of drop because it is clamped above headset 
>> locknut and a thin spacer. Of course, the PS hanger not only clamps to the 
>> quill but it's about a cm shorter than the Tektro and RH hangers.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>>
>> > Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable 
>> hanger? The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?
>>
>> > I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of 
>> these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup 
>> the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no 
>> real reason. I'm > thinking that I should change the setup, any 
>> recommendations? Or is this not an issue?
>>
>> > When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable 
>> noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I 
>> can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into the 
>> hanger, so I think the > whole setup may need to be changed.
>>
>> > Thoughts, advice?
>>
>> > Here's the part:
>>
>> > 
>> https://www.thebikerschoice.com/product/problem-solvers-clamp-on-cable-hanger-182078-1.htm?variations=926322,926354?utm_source=google%20shopping_medium=organic_id=18999470602_id===m=CjwKCAiA9dGqBhAqEiwAmRpTCxJ5qK9TD6hipo0RYCdZIeE5F_M3FbHVnzmIbVVSUoKWshTJSoWaCRoCHJMQAvD_BwE
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Drew Henson]

I've had the RH rando bars and the chaco bars on my Sam, which is from the 
last run. I like them both a lot. I'm going with the chaco bars now though 
- plenty of room to roam, I can stretch out if I want, and i feel like the 
most recent Rivendell's are really well suited for upright bars vs drops 
(except maybe the Roadini). 


On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:29:20 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Most drops now anticipate brake/shift levers with a longer dimension from 
> the bar clamp to the lever pivot. That extension of the lever body 
> triggered a slew of shorter reach bends that cheat those of us who love 
> generous ramps ahead of the hoods. Talk about complicating the field for 
> your choice.  
>
> When STI arrived there was a bit of struggle for those who loved riding 
> the hoods/ramps but could feel how expended they were from previous brake 
> hood positioning. Shorter stems were a quick dimensional solution but 
> closed the distance to the tops, depth of hooks and knee clearance if 
> sticking with a favorite bar with the new brake/shifters. I was and am 
> still a bar-end shifter across my fleet and like the range of handholds for 
> the spectrum of positions from which I address the effort input of riding. 
> Some of the brifter-tailored, widely flared and shallow drop bars 
> significantly limit the number of hand positions and worse, for me, lock 
> those holds by limited wandering from any of them. The Midge bar on the 
> tandem has to go because of this. My body rejects being locked into any 
> position for very long at all as I ride, even if the terrain doesn't vary.
>
> I have Nitto RM-013 bars on both my commuter and Rambouillet and make 
> great use of their generous ramp length (not designed presuming brifters) 
> but on my Coast rando I chose the RH rando bar for the additional contours 
> of the tops for wandering hands and anticipated longer hours on the bike. I 
> imagined that with different steering geometry a different bar would be 
> good for my proprioception and new, distinct muscle memories as I switch 
> back and forth between the others. It took a little bit riding to get 
> accustomed to and make use of the attributes of the new bend after riding 
> the same bars for 20 years before but really does work for me.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - 
>> there's 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower 
>> drops and mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I 
>> probably want something with a longer ramp for even more position 
>> variability.  There are just. so. many. bars. now.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
>>> bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
>>> use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
>>> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
>>> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
>>> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
>>> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
>>> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
>>> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
>>> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
>>> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
>>> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>>>
>>> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
>>> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
 bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
 able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
 too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  

 The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
 drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
 comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
 part of my hands behind the thumbs.

 The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
 "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
 pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...

 I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
 being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
 them in 

[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Joe and my apologies to Ana. She's a great lady. Haven't heard from 
her on the Gram in a while. 


On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:28:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also for the record, it's Ana. One N. 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
>> Bridgestones. 
>>
>> But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self 
>> has recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various 
>> shades of blue and green. What's become of me?? 
>>
>> Joe "things have changed" Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

Also for the record, it's Ana. One N. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
> Bridgestones. 
>
> But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self 
> has recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various 
> shades of blue and green. What's become of me?? 
>
> Joe "things have changed" Bernard 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Joe Bernard]

It's not my jam these days but it IS pretty, it reminds me of early-'90s 
Bridgestones. 

But I'm not one to ask, my former "bright/loud colors are awesome" self has 
recently morphed into a lover of the Universal Grant Colors: various shades 
of blue and green. What's become of me?? 

Joe "things have changed" Bernard 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter repair

[Eric Marth]

Hello MTR — I've disassembled Silver shifters for repairs but have not had 
one of the cover plates pop off on its own like yours. That is some brave 
free-hand drilling you've depicted! 

I've found the plates are relatively easy to re-install and can be pressure 
fit or set into place with a vise or a hammer. Getting them as flat as you 
can beforehand helps. 

If I had your lever in my shop here's what I would do. 

1: Remove the shift cable and set aside to reinstall
2: Remove the lever from the shifter pod, paying careful attention to the 
order the washers, bolts and other loose bits are installed
3: While the cover plate is free inspect the spring, pawl and ratchet for 
corrosion. Clean with a stiff brush if necessary and reinstall. Be careful 
with the spring, they're very tiny and can fly across your shop in the 
blink of an eye!
4: Take the freed lever and press the cover plate back over the shifter 
body by hand
5: Seat the cover plate by clamping it tightly with a bench vise *or *tapping 
it into place with a piece of hardwood between the plate and the hammer
6: If the plate doesn't look like it wants to stay in place I might add a 
very small amount of epoxy in a spot that will not interfere with the 
internal ratchet mechanisms
7: Reinstall the lever, reinstall the cable. 

Just my take, let us know how your screw fix works. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Looks good! It shouldn't come loose, nothing is acting on it to loosen it.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:19:14 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>
>> Posting my repair
>>
>>  I used the smallest sheet metal screw I could find at Ace 3/32 inch and 
>> the matching drill bit to drill perpendicular through the shifter. If I did 
>> it again I would've removed the shift cable to not damage it when drilling, 
>> but leaving it in seemed to work ok too. 
>>
>> The sheet metal screw tapped into the aluminum shifter pretty easily with 
>> just a little persuasion and seems to be holding pretty well. If it strips 
>> or comes loose I'll run a small machine bolt through with a nylock nut. 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3929.jpeg][image: IMG_3931.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I would do. I don't think there's any other options.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>>>
 I have a set Dia Comp knockoff silver shifters that have partially 
 broken, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to fix them. See 
 the attached pictures to see how they're broken.

  I thought for repair would be to drill a tiny hole and thread a screw 
 in there to hold it together.

  Does anybody have any ideas?[image: IMG_3917 Large.jpeg][image: 
 IMG_3918 Large.jpeg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Garth]

It's "okay" if it's 50/50 with one other color. But really, I can think of 
many colors I'd like to have on a bike other than any stock color. The 
paint job ought to be the least relevant factor in choosing a stock frame 
though as it's easy to get wooed by a nice paint job and neglect the real 
important details of the frame itself. You can change the pain but you 
can't alter the frame dimensions ! Everyone deserves to have at least one 
full custom frame, hopefully many, regardless of the "brand name" 
associated with it. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:58:33 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Funny. I was thinking that I like the purple on the Appaloosa. As they say 
> beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm not a fan at all but I do happen to think it looks great on the 
>> Platypus frame. Not sure why that ones different for me but it is.
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
>>> -W
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am 
 on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or 
 not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the 
 purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in 
 person. Thoughts? 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[JohnS]

This is timely, the Shove Research FMBCH...

https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger

Bling for the bike, about the same cost as the RH.

Back to Adam's point that fork mounted hangers won't work with center pull 
brakes, seems to me someone should make an integrated backing plate/hanger. 
That would nice!

JohnS


On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:16:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One factor in reducing front brake cable friction is a gradual, "natural" 
> bend in the housing between its exit from the bar tape (aero levers, of 
> course) and where it meets the stop. If your stem is high so that the 
> housing leaves the bar tape (I'm assuming you use aero levers) far above 
> the housing stop then I expect that a hanger with the angled noodle can 
> actually make the bend tighter and less efficient for cable travel.
>
> Because my errand road bike (2020 Matthews custom) has a high stack -- 
> upsloping tt and extended steerer and head -- the stem and therefore the 
> bar is positioned relatively low above the headset. When I built the bike I 
> installed a very nice, stiff, steel Shimano hanger but it has only about 1 
> cm of drop. Together with the close bar the housing has to bend tightly 
> when it exits the tape to meet the hanger. In this case, the angled noodle 
> on the PS hanger would allow a more gradual bend.
>
> I recently bought a Rene Herse cable housing hanger, paying $59 because no 
> one else offers a stiff, silver, steerer-mount housing hanger with a deep 
> drop. While the Shimano hanger drops 1 cm, the RH drops fully 3.5 cm and 
> will allow a much more "natural" bend.
>
> I have to confess that the tight bend with the short Shimano hanger hasn't 
> caused a great deal of cable friction, but there's room for improvement, 
> and since this is a "nice" bike I want to reduce it to the minimum 
> possible. The longer RH hanger will do that. It also makes the housing bend 
> look nicer.
>
> Tektro offers a deep-drop hanger for about $13 but that one is quill 
> mounted so that you lose a cm of drop because it is clamped above headset 
> locknut and a thin spacer. Of course, the PS hanger not only clamps to the 
> quill but it's about a cm shorter than the Tektro and RH hangers.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable hanger? 
> The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?
>
> > I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of 
> these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup 
> the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no 
> real reason. I'm > thinking that I should change the setup, any 
> recommendations? Or is this not an issue?
>
> > When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable 
> noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I 
> can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into the 
> hanger, so I think the > whole setup may need to be changed.
>
> > Thoughts, advice?
>
> > Here's the part:
>
> > 
> https://www.thebikerschoice.com/product/problem-solvers-clamp-on-cable-hanger-182078-1.htm?variations=926322,926354?utm_source=google%20shopping_medium=organic_id=18999470602_id===m=CjwKCAiA9dGqBhAqEiwAmRpTCxJ5qK9TD6hipo0RYCdZIeE5F_M3FbHVnzmIbVVSUoKWshTJSoWaCRoCHJMQAvD_BwE
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Jason Fuller]

Oh no, I guess I spoke too soon. That's a real bummer!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:01 AM Garth  wrote:

> Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit
> capacity is maddening...)
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you
>> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That
>> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well
>> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own !
>>
>> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab,
>> then double click it to make it full size.
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I
>>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's
>>> sure what it looks like
>>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled
 on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's
 just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint
 bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing
 I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to
 lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there
 rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that

 Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need
 repair!

 On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went
> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily
> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame
> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if
> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about
> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to
> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down
>> stairs sounds
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but
>> it's prob
>> fixable
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to
>>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly,
>>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.).
>>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would
>>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>>> can
>>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel
>>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>>> expected.
>>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>>> off. I
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>>> keep
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>>> curious
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter repair

[JohnS]

Looks good! It shouldn't come loose, nothing is acting on it to loosen it.

JohnS

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:19:14 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:

> Posting my repair
>
>  I used the smallest sheet metal screw I could find at Ace 3/32 inch and 
> the matching drill bit to drill perpendicular through the shifter. If I did 
> it again I would've removed the shift cable to not damage it when drilling, 
> but leaving it in seemed to work ok too. 
>
> The sheet metal screw tapped into the aluminum shifter pretty easily with 
> just a little persuasion and seems to be holding pretty well. If it strips 
> or comes loose I'll run a small machine bolt through with a nylock nut. 
>
>
>
> [image: IMG_3929.jpeg][image: IMG_3931.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> That's what I would do. I don't think there's any other options.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>>
>>> I have a set Dia Comp knockoff silver shifters that have partially 
>>> broken, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to fix them. See 
>>> the attached pictures to see how they're broken.
>>>
>>>  I thought for repair would be to drill a tiny hole and thread a screw 
>>> in there to hold it together.
>>>
>>>  Does anybody have any ideas?[image: IMG_3917 Large.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_3918 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Garth]

Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit 
capacity is maddening...)

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you 
> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That 
> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well 
> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 
>
> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
> then double click it to make it full size. 
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
>> sure what it looks like
>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
>>> on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
>>> just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
>>> bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
>>> I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
>>> lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
>>> rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 
>>>
>>> Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
>>> repair! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
 live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
 since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
 builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if 
 needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about 
 color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to 
 get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.

 On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:

> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
> sounds 
> like the culprit
>
> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
> it's prob
> fixable 
>
> good luck!
>
> sorry for shifty typing 
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to 
>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, 
>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). 
>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would 
>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>> can 
>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel 
>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>> expected. 
>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>> off. I 
>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
>> during that time.
>>
>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>> keep 
>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>> curious 
>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Garth]

That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you take 
it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That would 
be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well maybe 
you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 

For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
then double click it to make it full size. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
> sure what it looks like
> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
>> on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
>> just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
>> bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
>> I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
>> lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
>> rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 
>>
>> Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
>> repair! 
>>
>> On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
>>> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
>>> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
>>> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if 
>>> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about 
>>> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to 
>>> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 New bike and you are the original owner correct?
 looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
 sounds 
 like the culprit

 see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
 it's prob
 fixable 

 good luck!

 sorry for shifty typing 
 On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make 
> of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, 
> I 
> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). 
> Additionally, 
> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from 
> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think 
> of 
> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the 
> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I 
> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I 
> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
> during that time.
>
> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
> keep 
> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
> curious 
> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>
> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Jason Fuller]

Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled on 
the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's just 
that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint bonding due 
to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing I'd think 
too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to lift and 
split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there rather than 
a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 

Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
repair! 

On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went live. 
> Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily since. It 
> is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame builders in 
> my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if needed... if 
> needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about color 
> matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to get a 
> custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
>> sounds 
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but it's 
>> prob
>> fixable 
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make 
>>> of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, I 
>>> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). Additionally, 
>>> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from 
>>> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think of 
>>> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the 
>>> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I 
>>> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I 
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and keep 
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm curious 
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Funny. I was thinking that I like the purple on the Appaloosa. As they say 
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm not a fan at all but I do happen to think it looks great on the 
> Platypus frame. Not sure why that ones different for me but it is.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
>> -W
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
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[RBW] WTT: (my) Nitto Noodle for (your) Nitto 132 Rando bar (44cm width, preferably)

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

As the title says, I'm hoping to arrange a trade for my Nitto Noodle 
handlebars, for Nitto 132 Rando bars, 44cm width, preferably.  It seems I'm 
going to have to try lots of bars so I may as well do it as cheaply as 
possible. :D

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[John Rinker]

Hey Steve,

Yes, this is near Usrey Mountain in Mesa, AZ. That's Superstition Mountian 
off in the distance. Great riding, beautiful desert!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:57:24 PM UTC-8 Steve wrote:

> John Rinker,  nice photos!I want to ride that trail !!! (or one like 
> it).   Southern Arizona?
>
> Steve (in the leafy North Carolina Appalachians)
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:10:17 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Love it, John! 
>>
>> Here's one from today. Not pictured: noxious smoky air from either 
>> wildfires in Madison, VA or a tractor trailer fire on 1-95. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_8386.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:53:07 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Not too many colorful or falling leaves here: 
>>> [image: IMG_2436.jpeg]
>>> But about every 200 years, one of these guys falls over. 
>>> [image: IMG_2435.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:28:59 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Hello JasonR,

 Apologies if I confused your Sam with an Atlantis. Not a bad thing I 
 guess:-) Must have looked at your post on my phone. Anyway, from one Sam 
 owner to another yours does look really sharp! Enjoy the fall riding.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 3:29 PM Jason R.  wrote:

> Eric - Nice of you to say. In addition to the little shiny sardine, 
> I've probably taken in some influence of yours somewhere along the way 
> given all your thoughtful contributions and videos. Cheers.
>
> And Rich - I'm unsure if there's another Atlantis'd Jason in the 
> thread here that I missed (apologies if that's the case) or if my 
> light-blue Sam came off looking sub-green from the surrounding leaves. 
> But 
> thanks so much if your comment was meant for my Riv!
>
> Beautiful photos and bicycles all around on this thread.
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's 
>>> three, nice pics! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. 
 Super nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.

 [image: IMG_6202.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6206.jpg]

 [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  
> wrote:
>
>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of 
>> sparsely 
>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>
>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert 
>>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to 
>>> tell and 
>>> this is certainly one.
>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>
>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>
>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more 
>>> cyclists, many group ride opportunities, some infrastructure 
>>> improvements 
>>> like lanes (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the 
>>> Beltline; 
>>> the Path Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail 
>>> system with 
>>> the goal of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the 
>>> volume of 
>>> traffic has exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same 
>>> in many 
>>> large cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are 
>>> plenty 
>>> of options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to 
>>> get your 
>>> heart rate up.
>>>
>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any 
>>> direction from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling 
>>> country 
>>> roads like this to ride.
>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not a fan at all but I do happen to think it looks great on the 
Platypus frame. Not sure why that ones different for me but it is.

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
> -W
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Wesley]

Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
-W

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Ted W]

Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went live.
Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily since. It
is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame builders in
my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if needed... if
needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about color
matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to get a
custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:

> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs
> sounds
> like the culprit
>
> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but it's
> prob
> fixable
>
> good luck!
>
> sorry for shifty typing
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make of
>> it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, I
>> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). Additionally,
>> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from
>> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think of
>> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the
>> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I
>> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I
>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the
>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it
>> during that time.
>>
>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal
>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to
>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and keep
>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm curious
>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the
>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[greenteadrinkers]

Grew up in Reston during the '70s and '80s, my 7th/8th grade riding buddy, 
relentlessly toured the W on our mid-80s racing bikes. A fond memory was 
the trailside sign at Ashburn Station that stated the town population of 
2500! Might have to add a few zeros to that number now.

Scott

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:

> Nick, Great ride report and pictures!   Its been awhile since I've been on 
> any of those segments...and now I want to plan a return trip!
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
>> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
>> an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Ryan]

New bike and you are the original owner correct?
looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
sounds 
like the culprit

see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but it's 
prob
fixable 

good luck!

sorry for shifty typing 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make of 
> it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, I 
> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). Additionally, 
> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from 
> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think of 
> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the 
> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I 
> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I 
> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
> during that time.
>
> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and keep 
> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm curious 
> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>
> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Richard Rose]

I do not own a purple Riv but would in a heartbeat if I needed another bike. Dead sexy!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 17, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Ted W  wrote:I've got the Appaloosa in purple and it's been lovely. I've been 
sticking with white, gold/brass and silver accessories and it really 
pops. I agree, though, it's definitely a very polarizing color. I have 
never debated what color bike to get more than I did this one. I'm glad I
 got what I did, though.On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:07 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:I'm considering a Platypus and need a 60cm frame only. I love the Sergio Green but those are sold out. I too was trying to visualize how I could build it. I was thinking it would look really awesome with Paul Moto-Lites and Love Levers in the Pewter finish. . I feel like I should trust my instincts on this one and maybe wait for the next batch of frames. I want to love the color because I want the bike to be a keeper. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought. However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite color. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. Thoughts? 



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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Edwin W]

I've had three boys grow through countless numbers of balance bikes, 12", 
16" and 20" bikes. A few things I have learned:

   - I care much more about bike geometry than my kids do. Smaller bikes 
   are typically worse than bigger bikes. Kid specific bikes (Cleary, woom) 
   are better than non specific kids bikes. (My) kids don't give a hoot.
   - I care much more about bike style than my kids do. They don't care 
   about racks, fenders, or lights, the holy trinity of city riding to me. The 
   blasphemy!
   - I pushed kids to the next stage too quickly. I know that bigger bikes 
   are better made with better geometry and can go faster and are more 
   awesome. My kids liked to master their current bikes until they were way 
   too small! My advice: wait until the kid is BEGGING you for a bigger bike. 
   - All bikes work. Just about. It is amazing how kids can make things 
   work. My youngest and his buddy decided to make a tandem for a street 
   festival by attaching the front fork of one bike over the rear axle of 
   another. I pointed out that you can't do that. And they did. And lead the 
   parade! 

I still have a lot to learn,

Edwin
Nashville

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:51:00 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> Not a direct answer but for comparison information of objective spec and 
> geometry for a child's bike I humbly offer Brian Chapman's chronology of 
> bikes for his son, Tully,
>
> Photos of first bike:
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72157712905024887 
> 
>
> Photos of second bike: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72177720296619752
>
> I know this is way outside of almost anyone's range for their child's 
> earliest two wheelers but interesting to see what one of the most creative 
> builders of frames, forks, racks brakes, trailers, pretty much anything 
> bike related sees as important in geometry and component spec. Brian has 
> some BMX history himself so these pre-geared bikes pull some personal 
> design experience from that. His Instagram reels are enthralling for anyone 
> who appreciates the process of shaping and connecting steel pieces. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>
>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Ted W]

I've got the Appaloosa in purple and it's been lovely. I've been sticking
with white, gold/brass and silver accessories and it really pops. I agree,
though, it's definitely a very polarizing color. I have never debated what
color bike to get more than I did this one. I'm glad I got what I did,
though.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:07 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> I'm considering a Platypus and need a 60cm frame only. I love the Sergio
> Green but those are sold out. I too was trying to visualize how I could
> build it. I was thinking it would look really awesome with Paul Moto-Lites
> and Love Levers in the Pewter finish. . I feel like I should trust my
> instincts on this one and maybe wait for the next batch of frames. I want
> to love the color because I want the bike to be a keeper.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not
>> really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought.
>> However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I
>> would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my
>> boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone
>> the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could
>> consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite
>> color.
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not.
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person.
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

I'm considering a Platypus and need a 60cm frame only. I love the Sergio 
Green but those are sold out. I too was trying to visualize how I could 
build it. I was thinking it would look really awesome with Paul Moto-Lites 
and Love Levers in the Pewter finish. . I feel like I should trust my 
instincts on this one and maybe wait for the next batch of frames. I want 
to love the color because I want the bike to be a keeper. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not 
> really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought. 
> However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I 
> would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my 
> boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone 
> the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could 
> consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite 
> color. 
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Rusty Click]

Nick, Great ride report and pictures!   Its been awhile since I've been on 
any of those segments...and now I want to plan a return trip!

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the 
> Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home after 
> dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
> an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Sarah Carlson]

I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not 
really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought. 
However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I 
would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my 
boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone 
the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could 
consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite 
color. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Anna Purple

[Tim Bantham]

Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
Thoughts? 

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[ascpgh]

Most drops now anticipate brake/shift levers with a longer dimension from 
the bar clamp to the lever pivot. That extension of the lever body 
triggered a slew of shorter reach bends that cheat those of us who love 
generous ramps ahead of the hoods. Talk about complicating the field for 
your choice.  

When STI arrived there was a bit of struggle for those who loved riding the 
hoods/ramps but could feel how expended they were from previous brake hood 
positioning. Shorter stems were a quick dimensional solution but closed the 
distance to the tops, depth of hooks and knee clearance if sticking with a 
favorite bar with the new brake/shifters. I was and am still a bar-end 
shifter across my fleet and like the range of handholds for the spectrum of 
positions from which I address the effort input of riding. Some of the 
brifter-tailored, widely flared and shallow drop bars significantly limit 
the number of hand positions and worse, for me, lock those holds by limited 
wandering from any of them. The Midge bar on the tandem has to go because 
of this. My body rejects being locked into any position for very long at 
all as I ride, even if the terrain doesn't vary.

I have Nitto RM-013 bars on both my commuter and Rambouillet and make great 
use of their generous ramp length (not designed presuming brifters) but on 
my Coast rando I chose the RH rando bar for the additional contours of the 
tops for wandering hands and anticipated longer hours on the bike. I 
imagined that with different steering geometry a different bar would be 
good for my proprioception and new, distinct muscle memories as I switch 
back and forth between the others. It took a little bit riding to get 
accustomed to and make use of the attributes of the new bend after riding 
the same bars for 20 years before but really does work for me.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
> 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
> mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
> something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
> just. so. many. bars. now.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
>> bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
>> use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
>> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
>> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
>> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
>> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
>> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
>> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
>> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
>> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
>> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>>
>> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
>> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
>> experience.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>>
>>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
>>> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
>>> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
>>> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>>
>>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>>> behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>>
>>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us 

[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[ascpgh]

Not a direct answer but for comparison information of objective spec and 
geometry for a child's bike I humbly offer Brian Chapman's chronology of 
bikes for his son, Tully,

Photos of first bike:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72157712905024887 


Photos of second bike: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72177720296619752

I know this is way outside of almost anyone's range for their child's 
earliest two wheelers but interesting to see what one of the most creative 
builders of frames, forks, racks brakes, trailers, pretty much anything 
bike related sees as important in geometry and component spec. Brian has 
some BMX history himself so these pre-geared bikes pull some personal 
design experience from that. His Instagram reels are enthralling for anyone 
who appreciates the process of shaping and connecting steel pieces. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>
> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
> balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
> they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
> bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
> also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
> definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
> Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
> in advance for your help!
>
> Nick
>

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