Bug#1017907: ffado-mixer-qt4 fails to start with python 3.10
Package: ffado-mixer-qt4 Version: 2.4.6-1 Severity: normal Tags: patch upstream Dear Maintainer, after python 3.10 transition ffado-mixer crashes on startup: ffado-mixer Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/panelmanager.py", line 460, in updatePanels self.addPanel(idx) File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/panelmanager.py", line 339, in addPanel mixerwidget.initValues() File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/mixer/maudio_bebob.py", line 601, in initValues ctl.setValue(vol) TypeError: setValue(self, int): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float' Abandon This is due to an implicit type cast that is not permitted anymore in pytho 3.10 The issue is fixed upstream: svn commit r2832 Could you update the package please? -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.18.14-rt11-poupou (SMP w/4 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages ffado-mixer-qt4 depends on: ii ffado-dbus-server2.4.6-1 ii ffado-tools 2.4.6-1 ii python3 3.10.5-3 ii python3-dbus 1.2.18-3+b2 ii python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 5.15.7+dfsg-1 ii python3-pyqt55.15.7+dfsg-1 ffado-mixer-qt4 recommends no packages. ffado-mixer-qt4 suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
Bug#1017907: ffado-mixer-qt4 fails to start with python 3.10
Package: ffado-mixer-qt4 Version: 2.4.6-1 Severity: normal Tags: patch upstream Dear Maintainer, after python 3.10 transition ffado-mixer crashes on startup: ffado-mixer Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/panelmanager.py", line 460, in updatePanels self.addPanel(idx) File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/panelmanager.py", line 339, in addPanel mixerwidget.initValues() File "/usr/share/ffado-mixer-qt4/ffado/mixer/maudio_bebob.py", line 601, in initValues ctl.setValue(vol) TypeError: setValue(self, int): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float' Abandon This is due to an implicit type cast that is not permitted anymore in pytho 3.10 The issue is fixed upstream: svn commit r2832 Could you update the package please? -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.18.14-rt11-poupou (SMP w/4 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages ffado-mixer-qt4 depends on: ii ffado-dbus-server2.4.6-1 ii ffado-tools 2.4.6-1 ii python3 3.10.5-3 ii python3-dbus 1.2.18-3+b2 ii python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 5.15.7+dfsg-1 ii python3-pyqt55.15.7+dfsg-1 ffado-mixer-qt4 recommends no packages. ffado-mixer-qt4 suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
Bug#980157: cavezofphear: executable not found in the description
Package: cavezofphear Version: 0.5.1-1.1 Severity: minor Dear Maintainer, *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** * What led up to the situation? I installed the package and spent 5 mn finding the binary, named phear, by resorting to: ls /usr/games * What was the outcome of this action? game launched fine on the console with the correct command line; man phear works too. This is a text game, there is no .desktop file. Regards, Benoît Delcour -- System Information: Debian Release: bullseye/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 5.10.4-rt20-poupou (SMP w/4 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_WARN, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages cavezofphear depends on: ii libc62.31-9 ii libncurses6 6.2+20201114-2 ii libtinfo66.2+20201114-2 cavezofphear recommends no packages. cavezofphear suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
Re: [cas-user] Unauthorized Service Access. Service [] is not found in service registry
thank you for the quick response ;-)
here are the modules added in the build.gradle:
implementation
"org.apereo.cas:cas-server-support-json-service-registry:${casServerVersion}"
implementation
"org.apereo.cas:cas-server-support-ldap:${project.'cas.version'}"
implementation "org.apereo.cas:
cas-server-webapp${project.appServer}:${casServerVersion}"
and cas.serviceRegistry.json.location=file:///etc/cas/services is correctly
configured:
cas.properties:
cas.server.name=https://belenios.eca.eu
cas.server.prefix=${cas.server.name}/cas
logging.config=file:/etc/cas/config/log4j2.xml
cas.serviceRegistry.initFromJson=true
cas.serviceRegistry.json.location=file:///etc/cas/services
cas.authn.accept.users=
### Connexion LDAP
cas.authn.ldap\[0\].providerClass=org.ldaptive.provider.unboundid.UnboundIDProvider
cas.authn.ldap\[0\].type=AUTHENTICATED
cas.authn.ldap\[0\].useSsl=true
...
I have activated the debug and here are the logs
2020-09-25 13:02:49,081 INFO
[org.apereo.cas.services.AbstractServicesManager] -
2020-09-25 13:03:01,934 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.ticket.registry.AbstractMapBasedTicketRegistry] -
25-Sep-2020 13:03:02.176 WARNING [https-jsse-nio-443-exec-6]
javax.persistence.spi.PersistenceProviderResolverHolder$DefaultPersistenceProviderResolver.log
javax.persistence.spi::No valid providers found.
2020-09-25 13:03:02,207 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.flow.login.InitialFlowSetupAction] -
2020-09-25 13:03:02,208 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.flow.login.InitialFlowSetupAction] -
2020-09-25 13:03:02,215 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.flow.login.InitialFlowSetupAction] - https://belenios.eca.eu:8001/auth/cas?state=oxnzF3WnHV7qAn]>
2020-09-25 13:03:02,218 WARN
[org.apereo.cas.services.RegisteredServiceAccessStrategyUtils] -
2020-09-25 13:03:04,029 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.view.CasReloadableMessageBundle] -
2020-09-25 13:03:04,030 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.view.CasReloadableMessageBundle] -
2020-09-25 13:03:04,031 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.view.CasReloadableMessageBundle] -
2020-09-25 13:03:04,039 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.web.view.CasReloadableMessageBundle] -
2020-09-25 13:03:04,822 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.ticket.registry.AbstractMapBasedTicketRegistry] -
2020-09-25 13:03:05,205 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.ticket.registry.AbstractMapBasedTicketRegistry] -
2020-09-25 13:03:07,952 INFO
[org.apereo.cas.services.AbstractServicesManager] -
2020-09-25 13:03:17,974 INFO
[org.apereo.cas.ticket.registry.DefaultTicketRegistryCleaner] - <[0]
expired tickets removed.>
2020-09-25 13:03:17,975 DEBUG
[org.apereo.cas.ticket.registry.DefaultTicketRegistryCleaner] -
Le vendredi 25 septembre 2020 à 12:04:21 UTC+2, Marc Maurice a écrit :
> You need that in build.gradle :
>
> implementation
>
> "org.apereo.cas:cas-server-support-json-service-registry:${casServerVersion}"
>
> And that in cas.properties :
>
> cas.service-registry.json.location=file:///etc/cas/services
>
>
> Can you check?
>
>
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[cas-user] Unauthorized Service Access. Service [] is not found in service registry
Hello,
I am trying to install Apereo CAS 6.3 under Tomcat 9 but I have a problem.
My service is not recognised and in my logs, I have these 2 lines of
warning:
WARNING [https-jsse-nio-443-exec-4]
javax.persistence.spi.PersistenceProviderResolverHolder$DefaultPersistenceProviderResolver.log
javax.persistence.spi::No valid providers found.
WARN [org.apereo.cas.services.RegisteredServiceAccessStrategyUtils] -
My service defined in /etc/cas/services/ is well recognised:
INFO [org.apereo.cas.services.AbstractServicesManager] -
I use the default persistent storage (in memory).
Detail of my service:
{
"@class" : "org.apereo.cas.services.RegexRegisteredService",
"serviceId" : "^(https)://belenios.eca.eu/.*",
"name" : "Belenios",
"id" : 1601021856,
"evaluationOrder" : 9
}
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thank you,
Christophe
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Bug#888843: jackd2: jackd --version returns with non zero exit status
Package: jackd2 Version: 1.9.10+20150825git1ed50c92~dfsg-5 Severity: minor Tags: upstream Dear Maintainer, jackd --version returns with exit status 255. This may break some configure scripts.
Bug#887846: libffado: new upstream release, qt5 and python3 support
Source: libffado Version: 2.3.0-5 Severity: wishlist Dear Maintainer, A new upstram version is available; it supports Qt5 and Python3. I am working on it. It currently compiles, but is not tested yet. WIP: updating and checking the copyright file requires some work.
Bug#887846: libffado: new upstream release, qt5 and python3 support
Source: libffado Version: 2.3.0-5 Severity: wishlist Dear Maintainer, A new upstram version is available; it supports Qt5 and Python3. I am working on it. It currently compiles, but is not tested yet. WIP: updating and checking the copyright file requires some work. ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Bug#728710: patch
Sorry for the delay. Attached patch has been tested on a dual G4 w/ latest debian source yesterday and on a single CPU w/ git snapshot 1week ago. jackd runs stable on both. Thanks Robin for the gcc trick:) Regards, Benoît --- a/common/jack/systemdeps.h2014-03-14 19:19:00.0 +0100 +++ b/common/jack/systemdeps.h 2014-04-07 12:21:10.933776299 +0200 @@ -120,9 +120,9 @@ #endif /* __APPLE__ || __linux__ || __sun__ || sun */ -#if defined(__arm__) +#if defined(__arm__) || defined(__powerpc__) #undef POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE #define POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE -#endif /* __arm__ */ +#endif /* __arm__ || __powerpc__ */ #endif /* __jack_systemdeps_h__ */
Bug#728710: patch
Sorry for the delay. Attached patch has been tested on a dual G4 w/ latest debian source yesterday and on a single CPU w/ git snapshot 1week ago. jackd runs stable on both. Thanks Robin for the gcc trick:) Regards, Benoît --- a/common/jack/systemdeps.h2014-03-14 19:19:00.0 +0100 +++ b/common/jack/systemdeps.h 2014-04-07 12:21:10.933776299 +0200 @@ -120,9 +120,9 @@ #endif /* __APPLE__ || __linux__ || __sun__ || sun */ -#if defined(__arm__) +#if defined(__arm__) || defined(__powerpc__) #undef POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE #define POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE -#endif /* __arm__ */ +#endif /* __arm__ || __powerpc__ */ #endif /* __jack_systemdeps_h__ */ ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Bug#728710: [Jack-Devel] Bug#728710: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit
I will recompile jack this weekend to see if I can work that out. Here are the defines of gcc: gcc -dM -E - /dev/null |grep ppc\|PPC\|powerpc #define _ARCH_PPC 1 #define __PPC__ 1 #define __powerpc__ 1 #define __PPC 1 #define __powerpc 1 #define PPC 1 #define powerpc 1 Can we assume that __powerpc__ is 32 bit only? On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:35:12 +0100 Robin Gareus ro...@gareus.org wrote: On 03/21/2014 11:25 AM, Adrian Knoth wrote: On 11/04/13 15:49, Benoît Delcour wrote: Hi! I just got myself a dual Powermac G4 out of a garbage bin, and immediately installed debian and jackd2. It fails with an obscure Bus error; since I also own a raspberry pi, I first tried to patch source with the same fix, and it works. See Usage of __attribute__((__packed__)) causes bus error on ARM: OK, got you. Modifiying source to #undef #define it unconditionnally did the trick. Bug report tagged as patch, but I don't know the correct flag. I can prepare an actual patch if/when I get the __powerpc__ 32bit-only thingy Did you ever find the correct macro? We're close to a new jackd release and would include this fix, if necessary (and correct). gcc -dM -E - /dev/null lists all compiler defines, I hazard a guess that __ppc__ is appropriate (there's also __ppc64__). But going by compiler defines alone is tricky (OSX for example allows multi-arch builds, even though osx = 10.5 PPC users are rare these days). This should be really be set/auto-detected during waf configure. 2c, robin -- Bricolage pour Tous, vendredi, 22h Radio Campus, 106,6Mhz www.campuslille.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#728710: [Jack-Devel] Bug#728710: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit
I will recompile jack this weekend to see if I can work that out. Here are the defines of gcc: gcc -dM -E - /dev/null |grep ppc\|PPC\|powerpc #define _ARCH_PPC 1 #define __PPC__ 1 #define __powerpc__ 1 #define __PPC 1 #define __powerpc 1 #define PPC 1 #define powerpc 1 Can we assume that __powerpc__ is 32 bit only? On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:35:12 +0100 Robin Gareus ro...@gareus.org wrote: On 03/21/2014 11:25 AM, Adrian Knoth wrote: On 11/04/13 15:49, Benoît Delcour wrote: Hi! I just got myself a dual Powermac G4 out of a garbage bin, and immediately installed debian and jackd2. It fails with an obscure Bus error; since I also own a raspberry pi, I first tried to patch source with the same fix, and it works. See Usage of __attribute__((__packed__)) causes bus error on ARM: OK, got you. Modifiying source to #undef #define it unconditionnally did the trick. Bug report tagged as patch, but I don't know the correct flag. I can prepare an actual patch if/when I get the __powerpc__ 32bit-only thingy Did you ever find the correct macro? We're close to a new jackd release and would include this fix, if necessary (and correct). gcc -dM -E - /dev/null lists all compiler defines, I hazard a guess that __ppc__ is appropriate (there's also __ppc64__). But going by compiler defines alone is tricky (OSX for example allows multi-arch builds, even though osx = 10.5 PPC users are rare these days). This should be really be set/auto-detected during waf configure. 2c, robin -- Bricolage pour Tous, vendredi, 22h Radio Campus, 106,6Mhz www.campuslille.com ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
[mailplaneapp] Re: todoist integration
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Bug#728710: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit
Package: jackd2 Version: 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 Severity: important Tags: patch upstream Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Delcour benoit.delc...@campuslille.com To: Debian Bug Tracking System sub...@bugs.debian.org Subject: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit X-Debbugs-Cc: benoit.delc...@campuslille.com Package: jackd2 Version: 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 Severity: important Tags: upstream patch TL;DR: the Rasperry Pi Bus error strikes again. Maybe not for the same causes, but the fix does work. I just got myself a dual Powermac G4 out of a garbage bin, and immediately installed debian and jackd2. It fails with an obscure Bus error; since I also own a raspberry pi, I first tried to patch source with the same fix, and it works. See Usage of __attribute__((__packed__)) causes bus error on ARM: http://trac.jackaudio.org/ticket/295 The issue seems to be related to arm; however the bug *seems* to hit at the same time: Jack: JackEngine::NotifyAddClient: name = system Bus error The Raspberry bug has been workaround in: https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/commit/2f7d512b419cb75cef2e27db872d641de6e7aa0d +#if defined(__arm__) +#undef POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE +#define POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE +#endif /* __arm__ */ The comment for the commit also states: Since it's only used for mixed 32/64bit jackd installations and we're not facing such a scenario on ARM, there's little use to worry more atm. Modifiying source to #undef #define it unconditionnally did the trick. Bug report tagged as patch, but I don't know the correct flag. I can prepare an actual patch if/when I get the __powerpc__ 32bit-only thingy -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.2 APT prefers stable APT policy: (980, 'stable'), (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'testing') Architecture: powerpc (ppc) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-powerpc-smp (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages jackd2 depends on: ii coreutils 8.13-3.5 ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.49 ii libasound2 1.0.27.2-3 ii libc6 2.17-93 ii libdbus-1-31.6.8-1+deb7u1 ii libexpat1 2.1.0-1 ii libgcc11:4.7.2-5 ii libjack-jackd2-0 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 ii libopus0 1.1~beta-3 ii libreadline6 6.2+dfsg-0.1 ii libsamplerate0 0.1.8-5 ii libsndfile11.0.25-7 ii libstdc++6 4.7.2-5 ii multiarch-support 2.13-38 ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 ii python-dbus1.1.1-1 Versions of packages jackd2 recommends: ii jackd2-firewire 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 ii libpam-modules 1.1.3-7.1 ii qjackctl 0.3.9-2 Versions of packages jackd2 suggests: ii jack-tools 20101210-2 ii meterbridge 0.9.2-11 -- debconf information: * jackd/tweak_rt_limits: true -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.2 APT prefers stable APT policy: (990, 'stable'), (980, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.10-2-rt-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages jackd2 depends on: ii coreutils 8.13-3.5 ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.49 ii libasound2 1.0.27.2-3 ii libc6 2.17-93 ii libdbus-1-31.6.16-1 ii libexpat1 2.1.0-1 ii libgcc11:4.7.2-5 ii libjack-jackd2-0 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 ii libopus0 1.1~beta-3 ii libreadline6 6.2+dfsg-0.1 ii libsamplerate0 0.1.8-5 ii libsndfile11.0.25-7 ii libstdc++6 4.7.2-5 ii multiarch-support 2.13-38 ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 ii python-dbus1.1.1-1 Versions of packages jackd2 recommends: ii jackd2-firewire 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 ii libpam-modules 1.1.3-7.1 ii qjackctl 0.3.10-2 Versions of packages jackd2 suggests: ii jack-tools 20101210-2 ii meterbridge 0.9.2-11 -- debconf information: * jackd/tweak_rt_limits: true -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#728710: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit
Package: jackd2 Version: 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 Severity: important Tags: patch upstream Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Delcour benoit.delc...@campuslille.com To: Debian Bug Tracking System sub...@bugs.debian.org Subject: jackd2: Bus error w/ POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE on powerpc G4 32bit X-Debbugs-Cc: benoit.delc...@campuslille.com Package: jackd2 Version: 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 Severity: important Tags: upstream patch TL;DR: the Rasperry Pi Bus error strikes again. Maybe not for the same causes, but the fix does work. I just got myself a dual Powermac G4 out of a garbage bin, and immediately installed debian and jackd2. It fails with an obscure Bus error; since I also own a raspberry pi, I first tried to patch source with the same fix, and it works. See Usage of __attribute__((__packed__)) causes bus error on ARM: http://trac.jackaudio.org/ticket/295 The issue seems to be related to arm; however the bug *seems* to hit at the same time: Jack: JackEngine::NotifyAddClient: name = system Bus error The Raspberry bug has been workaround in: https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/commit/2f7d512b419cb75cef2e27db872d641de6e7aa0d +#if defined(__arm__) +#undef POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE +#define POST_PACKED_STRUCTURE +#endif /* __arm__ */ The comment for the commit also states: Since it's only used for mixed 32/64bit jackd installations and we're not facing such a scenario on ARM, there's little use to worry more atm. Modifiying source to #undef #define it unconditionnally did the trick. Bug report tagged as patch, but I don't know the correct flag. I can prepare an actual patch if/when I get the __powerpc__ 32bit-only thingy -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.2 APT prefers stable APT policy: (980, 'stable'), (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'testing') Architecture: powerpc (ppc) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-powerpc-smp (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages jackd2 depends on: ii coreutils 8.13-3.5 ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.49 ii libasound2 1.0.27.2-3 ii libc6 2.17-93 ii libdbus-1-31.6.8-1+deb7u1 ii libexpat1 2.1.0-1 ii libgcc11:4.7.2-5 ii libjack-jackd2-0 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 ii libopus0 1.1~beta-3 ii libreadline6 6.2+dfsg-0.1 ii libsamplerate0 0.1.8-5 ii libsndfile11.0.25-7 ii libstdc++6 4.7.2-5 ii multiarch-support 2.13-38 ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 ii python-dbus1.1.1-1 Versions of packages jackd2 recommends: ii jackd2-firewire 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-2 ii libpam-modules 1.1.3-7.1 ii qjackctl 0.3.9-2 Versions of packages jackd2 suggests: ii jack-tools 20101210-2 ii meterbridge 0.9.2-11 -- debconf information: * jackd/tweak_rt_limits: true -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.2 APT prefers stable APT policy: (990, 'stable'), (980, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.10-2-rt-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages jackd2 depends on: ii coreutils 8.13-3.5 ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.49 ii libasound2 1.0.27.2-3 ii libc6 2.17-93 ii libdbus-1-31.6.16-1 ii libexpat1 2.1.0-1 ii libgcc11:4.7.2-5 ii libjack-jackd2-0 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 ii libopus0 1.1~beta-3 ii libreadline6 6.2+dfsg-0.1 ii libsamplerate0 0.1.8-5 ii libsndfile11.0.25-7 ii libstdc++6 4.7.2-5 ii multiarch-support 2.13-38 ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 ii python-dbus1.1.1-1 Versions of packages jackd2 recommends: ii jackd2-firewire 1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 ii libpam-modules 1.1.3-7.1 ii qjackctl 0.3.10-2 Versions of packages jackd2 suggests: ii jack-tools 20101210-2 ii meterbridge 0.9.2-11 -- debconf information: * jackd/tweak_rt_limits: true ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
[de-discuss] Falsche Warnung ueber Transparentes Objekt bei PDF/A-1a-Export
Falsche Warnung Transparentes Objekt bei PDF/A-1a-Export Hallo, wenn ich ein beliebiges Dokument als PDF/A-1a exportieren will, erhalte ich eine Warnung, wegen transparenter Objekte. Dabei enthält das Dokument keine transparten Objekte. Zunächst habe ich das Phänomen bei einer älteren Version (3.6.2.2) unter Linux bemerkt. Das Verhalten tritt bei mir aber auch mit einer ganz frisch installierten Version 4.1.2.3 von LibreOffice unter Windows 7 auf. Und zwar auch dann, wenn das Dokument nur den Text hallo enthält. In diesem Forumbeitrag habe ich das Problem zunächst beschrieben. Man bat mich, es hier zu berichten. Gruß Delcour http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1t=62619 -- Liste abmelden mit E-Mail an: discuss+unsubscr...@de.libreoffice.org Probleme? http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/mailing-listen/abmeldung-liste/ Tipps zu Listenmails: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette/de Listenarchiv: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/de/discuss/ Alle E-Mails an diese Liste werden unlöschbar öffentlich archiviert
Bug#634070: composite sampler segfault
Package: composite Version: 0.006-5 Severity: important The lv2 sampler plugin v 0.006.1-1 segfaults at load time with zynjacku and lv2_jack_host. V 0.006-5 loads fine. lv2_jack_host http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/composite/plugins/sampler/1 URI:http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/composite/plugins/sampler/1 Plugin Name:Composite Sampler JACK Name: Composite Sampler Connected to JACK. Successfully instantiated plugin. Erreur de segmentation -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers stable APT policy: (990, 'stable'), (980, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-rc6-titine-2 (SMP w/2 CPU cores; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages composite depends on: ii composite-data 0.006-5 Live performance sequencer (data f ii jackd 5JACK Audio Connection Kit (default ii libc6 2.13-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libflac++6 1.2.1-3 Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ ru ii libflac81.2.1-4 Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtim ii libgcc1 1:4.4.5-8GCC support library ii libjack-jackd2-0 [libja 1.9.7~dfsg-1 JACK Audio Connection Kit (librari ii liblrdf00.4.0-5 library to manipulate RDF files de ii libqt4-network 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 network module ii libqt4-xml 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 XML module ii libqtcore4 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 core module ii libqtgui4 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 GUI module ii libsndfile1 1.0.24-1 Library for reading/writing audio ii libstdc++6 4.6.1-1 GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libtar0 [libtar]1.2.11-8 C library for manipulating tar arc ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 compression library - runtime composite recommends no packages. composite suggests no packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634070: composite sampler segfault
Package: composite Version: 0.006-5 Severity: important The lv2 sampler plugin v 0.006.1-1 segfaults at load time with zynjacku and lv2_jack_host. V 0.006-5 loads fine. lv2_jack_host http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/composite/plugins/sampler/1 URI:http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/composite/plugins/sampler/1 Plugin Name:Composite Sampler JACK Name: Composite Sampler Connected to JACK. Successfully instantiated plugin. Erreur de segmentation -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers stable APT policy: (990, 'stable'), (980, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-rc6-titine-2 (SMP w/2 CPU cores; PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages composite depends on: ii composite-data 0.006-5 Live performance sequencer (data f ii jackd 5JACK Audio Connection Kit (default ii libc6 2.13-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libflac++6 1.2.1-3 Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ ru ii libflac81.2.1-4 Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtim ii libgcc1 1:4.4.5-8GCC support library ii libjack-jackd2-0 [libja 1.9.7~dfsg-1 JACK Audio Connection Kit (librari ii liblrdf00.4.0-5 library to manipulate RDF files de ii libqt4-network 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 network module ii libqt4-xml 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 XML module ii libqtcore4 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 core module ii libqtgui4 4:4.7.3-1Qt 4 GUI module ii libsndfile1 1.0.24-1 Library for reading/writing audio ii libstdc++6 4.6.1-1 GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libtar0 [libtar]1.2.11-8 C library for manipulating tar arc ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 compression library - runtime composite recommends no packages. composite suggests no packages. ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Bug#633554: magicrescue: new upstream version available
Package: magicrescue Severity: normal Upstream has changed: Version 1.1.9 is available here: http://www.itu.dk/~jobr/magicrescue/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#615077: vmpk: buggy Roland GS instrument definition
Package: vmpk Version: 0.3.2-1 Severity: normal Default instrument definition: /usr/share/vmpk/gmgsxg.ins It contains 3 instruments: The General MIDI instrument expose only bank 0 Using a midi controller to trigger a bank select works well with the Yamaha XG instrument (XG Bank0, XG Bank 1(kSP)...) The Roland GS can switch programs on bank0 Roland GS Capital Tones, but switching to bank 1 from MIDI, no bank is selected, and hence no program is available. Switching to bank 1 from vmpk, vmpk responds to Program Changes from MIDI bank 1 is called Roland GS Var #01 As I understand, it should be patch[1], not patch[128]. Note that vmpk actually imported the definition from qtractor, although I didn't find it on my file system. And qtractor segfaults at startup, so I can't look for it from the inside. Or maybe the real GS kits expect that behaviour. I will try modifying the definition file and report back. (For now, a friend of mine who actually owns the controller just dropped in and wants to play music with it, not code :) ..Patch Names [General MIDI] 0=Acoustic Grand Piano 1=Bright Acoustic Piano [Roland GS Capital Tones] 0=Piano 1 1=Piano 2 [Roland GS Var #01] 38=Synth Bass101 57=Trombone 2 [XG Bank 0] 0=01 GrandPno 1=02 BritePno [XG Bank 1 (KSP)] 0=01 GrndPnoK 1=02 BritPnoK ..Instrument Definitions [Roland GS] Control=Roland GS Controllers NRPN=Roland GS NRPN Patch[0]=Roland GS Capital Tones Patch[128]=Roland GS Var #01 [Yamaha XG] Control=Yamaha XG Controllers Patch[0]=XG Bank 0 Patch[1]=XG Bank 1 (KSP) -- System Information: Debian Release: 6.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (990, 'stable'), (980, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.37-titine-4 (PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages vmpk depends on: ii libasound21.0.23-2.1 shared library for ALSA applicatio ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libgcc1 1:4.4.5-8 GCC support library ii libqt4-dbus 4:4.6.3-4 Qt 4 D-Bus module ii libqt4-svg4:4.6.3-4 Qt 4 SVG module ii libqt4-xml4:4.6.3-4 Qt 4 XML module ii libqtcore44:4.6.3-4 Qt 4 core module ii libqtgui4 4:4.6.3-4 Qt 4 GUI module ii libstdc++64.6-20110125-1 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libx11-6 2:1.4.1-4 X11 client-side library Versions of packages vmpk recommends: ii qjackctl 0.3.7-1User interface for controlling the ii qsynth0.3.5-1fluidsynth MIDI sound synthesiser vmpk suggests no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#612760: terminatorx: New version available upstream
Package: terminatorx Severity: normal A new upstream release is available at terminatorx.org: http://terminatorx.org/dist/terminatorX-3.83.tar.gz http://terminatorx.org/dist/terminatorX-3.83.tar.bz2 -- System Information: Debian Release: 6.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable'), (450, 'unstable'), (50, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.37-titine-4 (PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#332646: linphone: Support for alsa dmix plugin
I have just installed linphone 3.3.2 There is a PulseAudio: default choice in the device list. I didn't test it, since the daemon is not installed on my system (libpulse0 is). Maybe the package could recommend or suggest pulseaudio, to get the same functionnality? dmix is of little use nowadays, since alsa can handle several streams on a single device IIRC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#299476: Noise removal makes it to sound very digital
Noise removal has been rewritten in audacity 1.3.3 (see upstream release notes). Quality is indeed much improved. IMHO this bug should be closed. -- This is a .signature virus. Please copy me to your .signature file, so that I can multiply. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#520395: Audacity sometimes suddenly hangs when playing a file
I have found a workaround:
explicitly state a default in .asoundrc:
pcm.!default {
type hw
card 1
}
ctl.!default {
type hw
card 1
}
and choosing default in audacity does the trick on my desktop (w/ card 0 1)
and my laptop (w/ card 0).
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Bug#299476: Noise removal makes it to sound very digital
Noise removal has been rewritten in audacity 1.3.3 (see upstream release notes). Quality is indeed much improved. IMHO this bug should be closed. -- This is a .signature virus. Please copy me to your .signature file, so that I can multiply. ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Bug#520395: Audacity sometimes suddenly hangs when playing a file
I have found a workaround:
explicitly state a default in .asoundrc:
pcm.!default {
type hw
card 1
}
ctl.!default {
type hw
card 1
}
and choosing default in audacity does the trick on my desktop (w/ card 0 1)
and my laptop (w/ card 0).
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Bug#520395: Audacity sometimes suddenly hangs when playing a file
Just gave it a try. Still the same hangups for me. Note that audacity CPU usage drops to a idle level, while Xorg stays quite high (~50% on my athlon XP 2000+) Xorg CPU level drops to 3-5% when I press STOP. Also of interest: I'm using a SB Live (hw1:0) with my audio system; I also have an integrated soundcard (hw0:0), with same behavior. HOWEVER, when selecting default rather than (hw0:0) as the playback device, I don't have any trouble. Sorry for lack of config info, I do not have internet access at home. (Debian Sid) I will check this report regularly. Can you try to reproduce it with version 1.3.9-1? Cheers, Benjamin -- This is a .signature virus. Please copy me to your .signature file, so that I can multiply. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Pa. Hunter's Imaegs Stir Bigfoot Debate
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[Libhugetlbfs-devel] [SPAM] Pa. Hunter's Imaegs Stir Bigfoot Debate
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[Bug 228624] Re: DVD writer not working since hardy upgrade
I confirm this bug/behaviour. Booting with all_generic_ide=1 I still get an error: $ sudo hdparm -d /dev/scd0 /dev/scd0: HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device but I can copy data from DVD to disk which is not possible without all_generic_ide=1. Greetings Delcour -- DVD writer not working since hardy upgrade https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/228624 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[R] triviality solved: Unwanted but added additional first column when using write.csv2()
Hello! When I export a dataframe to a csv-file there is always an unwanted column added as the following demonstrates: system(cat example.csv) ID;Name;Value1;Value2 100;Tom;11,90;32,90 101;Martha;15,90;49,00 102;Ute;20,00;300,00 write.csv2(read.csv2 (example.csv), examplecopy.csv) system(cat examplecopy.csv) ;ID;Name;Value1;Value2 1;100;Tom;11,9;32,9 2;101;Martha;15,9;49 3;102;Ute;20;300 I never want the column 1 2 3 to be written into a csv-file. I could find any hint neither in the manual nor in the archive, but then I found the solution: row.names = FALSE write.csv2(read.csv2 (example.csv), examplecopy.csv, row.names = FALSE) system(cat examplecopy.csv) ID;Name;Value1;Value2 100;Tom;11,9;32,9 101;Martha;15,9;49 102;Ute;20;300 But (perhaps because I am not a native in English) it was more a solution by trial and chance than by reading and understanding the manual. I did not expect this unwanted column to be called row.names (the values are numbers which at last becomes after a subset() completely unusuable in most cases). So I did never search for row names but for unwanted column write. I did not dare to ask before because of the triviality of the question (even I stumble over this problem for weeks) but I want the next beginner who searches this list archive for unwanted column to get a result. Greetings Delcour __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Two Problems while trying to aggregate a dataframe
Hello! Given is an Excel-Sheet with actually 11,000 rows and 9 columns. I want to work with the data in R. The contents are similar to my following example. I have a list with ID-number, personal name and two kinds of loan-values. I want to aggregate the list, that for each person only one row remains and where the loan-values are added. First I tried some commands with tapply but had no success at all. Then I found in this mailing list a hint for aggregate (though I did not understand most of that mail). So I made some efforts with aggregate() and it seems to lead the right way: [code] atest - read.csv2 (aggregatetest.csv) str(atest) `data.frame': 10 obs. of 4 variables: $ PrsNr : int 1 2 2 3 4 5 6 6 6 7 $ Namen : Factor w/ 7 levels Holla,Mabba,..: 1 2 2 4 5 6 7 7 7 3 $ Betrag1: num 1.99 2.34 5.23 4.23 2.23 2.77 3.83 2.76 6.32 2.88 $ Betrag2: num 3.44 5.32 5.21 9.12 7.32 8.32 6.99 4.45 5.34 3.81 atest PrsNr Namen Betrag1 Betrag2 1 1 Holla1.993.44 2 2 Mabba2.345.32 3 2 Mabba5.235.21 4 3 Pisa4.239.12 5 4 Pulla2.237.32 6 5 Raba2.778.32 7 6 Saba3.836.99 8 6 Saba2.764.45 9 6 Saba6.325.34 10 7 Mulla2.883.81 aggregate(list(Betrag1=atest$Betrag1), by=list(PsrNr=atest$PrsNr, Namen=atest$Namen), sum) PsrNr Namen Betrag1 1 1 Holla1.99 2 2 Mabba7.57 3 7 Mulla2.88 4 3 Pisa4.23 5 4 Pulla2.23 6 5 Raba2.77 7 6 Saba 12.91 [/code] The result is nearly that I want. First problem: How do I get all columnss in my result. Betrag2 is missing. Second problem: If I use the aggregate-command on the real data then it is for me impossible to use more than on by-grouping variable (my example above has two). Impossible because 1 GB RAM and 1.5 GB SWAP are not enough to process my command. My computer (Ubuntu Linux, Gmome) freezes. So I doubt wether I use the appropriate method to follow my target. Which ist the best way to aggregate dataframes as I want? Are there any better functions/commands or do I have to learn programming for this? Greetings Delcour __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [users-fr] Re: Liens Internet dans swriter.
Bonjour. Qui aime bien châtie bien, donc je me permets de dire que, quelles que soient les explications qu'on peut en donner, le fait que dans swriter, un lien reconnu comme lien (bleui et souligné) puisse pointer vers une autre adresse que celle qu'il affiche me semble un défaut, et qu'à ma connaissance, Word est plus satisfaisant à ce point de vue. Mais je remercie tout de même ceux qui m'ont aidé à comprendre d'où venait le problème et comment l'éviter. A. - Original Message - From: Landron Gérard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [users-fr] Re: Liens Internet dans swriter. espérant ne pas dire d'ânerie car je ne suis pas un pro des styles dans la style du paragraphe Tout est clair si on regarde ce qu'est la gestion des styles de même quand on change de style de paragraphe en cours de document Gérard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users-fr] Liens Internet dans swriter.
Je t'enverrai volontiers une copie de mon fichier si c'est nécessaire, mais il est possible de décrire simplement dans quelles circonstances le problème se rencontre. Dans swriter, donc, ouvrez un document vierge. Tapez le lien que voici : http://certitudes.free.fr et, à la suite, tapez un retour chariot (ce qui bleuit le lien). Placez le curseur (point d'insertion) au début du document (autrement dit, au début de la ligne qui comporte le lien). Insérez un retour chariot. Remettez le curseur au début du document. Tapez le lien que voici : http://atunion.free.fr sans le faire suivre dès maintenant d'un nouveau retour chariot. Mettez le curseur au début de la seconde ligne (celle qui comporte le lien certitudes). Insérez un retour chariot. Les liens renvoient tous deux au site certitude. A. - Original Message - From: yves dutrieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [users-fr] [users] Liens Internet dans swriter. Je viens d'essayer à l'instant sous OOo2.1 sous winxp Pro, et je n'arrive pas à reproduire ton problème ? Est-ce que ce n'est pas plutôt la manière dont tu réordonnes tes liens ? As-tu essayé en laissant une ligne blanche entre tes liens avant de les déplacer (ceci pour éviter de les chevaucher...) ? As-tu un exemple de fichier à me fournir à mon adresse perso ? -- web site : http://www.molenbaix.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users-fr] Liens Internet dans swriter.
Merci pour les réponses. Je vais faire ce que tu proposes. Curieux tout de même que le nouveau premier paragraphe hérite de la mise en forme de l'ancien premier paragraphe, qui est devenu le second paragraphe et a gardé sa mise en forme. Sans vouloir vexer personne, ce qui se passe dans Word 2003 quand on exécute les mêmes manoeuvres me semble préférable : le second lien qu'on tape (celui qu'on met au début du document) n'est pas reconnu comme lien tant qu'on ne le fait pas suivre immédiatement par un retour chariot (précédant celui qui existe déjà). Une fois que le lien est reconnu comme tel, il pointe correctement. Mais encore merci. A. - Original Message - From: Erwan Souben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [users-fr] Liens Internet dans swriter. Oupse j'ai oublié quelque chose : Tu n'as en fait besoin que d'appuyer sur Tabulation à la fin de la dernière cellule pour en ajouter une nouvelle. Tu y saisis la nouvelle adresse, peu importe l'ordre alphabétique. Aprés tu peux trier la colonne par Tableau - Trier... Erwan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users-fr] [users] Liens Internet dans swriter.
Bonsoir. Je me suis fait un document .odt formé uniquement d'URL Internet. Je m'aperçois que si je déplace certains de ces liens (pour garder l'ensemble en ordre alphabétique quand j'en insère de nouveaux) un clic ne m'amène pas sur le site voulu, mais sur celui qui correspond au lien qui se trouvait antérieurement à cet endroit du fichier. Même si j'efface le nom de la nouvelle adresse puis le réécris, le problème subsiste. Fermer le document après l'avoir enregistré semble ne servir à rien. Quelqu'un peut-il m'indiquer une parade ? Merci d'avance. A.
[de-users] Ansehen von StarWriter Dokument aus StarOffice 5.2 in OpenOffice
Hallo! Ich verwende OpenOffice unter Ubuntu Linux Dapper Drake. openoffice --version liefert: This is OpenOffice.org built with ooo-build-2.0.2 Ich habe aus 2002, als ich noch mit Staroffice 5.2 unter Windows 2000 arbeitete, Dokumente, die ich heute mit Openoffice 2.02 nicht mehr lesen kann. Mit einem Hexeditor finde ich im Dokument (eine *.sdw) (Beispiel) die Zeichenkette StarWriter 5.0. OOo 2 fragt mich beim Öffnen, welcher Filter verwendet werden soll. Ich habe verschiedene Filter probiert, davon Starwriter 5.0 und Openoffice 1.0. Leider bekomme ich immer nur eine Fehlermeldung Allgemeiner Fehler. Allgemeiner Ein-/Ausgabefehler angezeigt, und das Dokument wird nicht geöffnet. Mit Abiword kann ich solche Dokumente öffnen, allerdings wird mir nur der Text angezeigt - kein Briefkopf (hatte ich in der Kopfzeile untergebracht). Ist das Problem bekannt? Wieso funktioniert der Filter nicht? Gruß Delcour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [prog] Nombre de caractères d'un module.
Merci pour la réponse. J'ai posé la question sur le forum anglophone, on m'a répondu que la limite d'un module est 64 KB, mais, apparemment, on ne pouvait pas expliquer pourquoi le compilateur déclare trop volumineux le code construit par la macro que j'ai indiquée. Ce n'est pas terrible : quand le compilateur renâclera, je complairai. A. - Original Message - From: Bernard Marcelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: prog@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [prog] Nombre de caractères d'un module. Bonjour Adrien Delcour Le comportement a peut-être un peu changé entre 1.1 et 2.0. Comme tu as pu le constater, on peut parfois écrire plus de 65000 caractères, mais on voit diverses anomalies (et parfois avant 65000). Autrement dit, vaut mieux pas faire trop long, c'est pas fiable. D'autre part, quand on récupère par programmation le codage d'un module (voir livre p.611 ed.1 ou p.665 ed.2) on l'obtient dans un String, qui est limité à 65535 caractères en Basic, et peut-être même aussi limité par l'API. Le problème apparaît en général lors de conversion de codes VBA. Avec une conception raisonnable des programmes, on répartit le codage sur plusieurs modules, ce qui augmente la modularité/lisibilité et évite le problème. Bernard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [prog] Nombre de caractères d'un module.
Je me suis montré un peu paresseux dans mon
précédent message,
j'ai maintenant fait quelque chose qui permet
d'être plus précis.
J'ai écrit la macro suivante :
Sub EcrireTestTailleModule()
Dim ourDocument As Object Dim
ourViewCursor As Object Dim i As Long Dim specialChar As
Integer Dim ourText As Object Dim noFileProp()
ourDocument =
StarDesktop.LoadComponentFromURL("private:factory/swriter", "_blank", 0,
noFileProp) ourViewCursor =
ThisComponent.CurrentController.getViewCursor() ourText =
ourViewCursor.getText() specialChar =
com.sun.star.text.ControlCharacter.PARAGRAPH_BREAK
ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "Sub
TailleModule()", False) ourText.insertControlCharacter(ourViewCursor,
specialChar, False) ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "Dim j As
Long", False) ourText.insertControlCharacter(ourViewCursor,
specialChar, False) ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "j = 0",
False) ourText.insertControlCharacter(ourViewCursor, specialChar,
False)
For i = 1 To 5000
ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "j = j + 1", False)
ourText.insertControlCharacter(ourViewCursor, specialChar, False) Next
ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "MsgBox
j", False) ourText.insertControlCharacter(ourViewCursor, specialChar,
False) ourText.insertString(ourViewCursor, "End Sub",
False)
End Sub
Cette macro écrit le texte d'une macro qui comporte la déclaration d'un j
de type Long,
l'affectation de la valeur 0 à j, puis 5 000 instructions identiques "j = j
+ 1".
Même si on compte la marque de paragraphe pour deux caractères, la
macro
produite ne compte pas beaucoup plus de 55 000 caractères.
Même chose pour le module si le module ne comporte que cette macro.
Or, à la "compilation", on reçoit le message "Programme trop
volumineux".
Il y a une marque à peu près aux deux tiers du programme.
On dirait donc qu'ici, la limite est inférieure à 65 000, peut-être quelque
chose
comme 33 000 (si une marque de paragraphe est comptée pour un seul
caractère).
Si quelqu'un peut faire une mise au point, merci d'avance.
A.
[prog] Pourquoi un Basic ?
Bonjour. Ce n'est pas une question d'une importance vitale, je la pose par curiosité. Les deux Basic que je pratique un peu (VBA et OooBasic) ont quelques caractères communs qui ne me semblent pas très agréables : pas de raccourci (ou court-circuit) dans l'évaluation des expressions booléennes, variable fictive pour la valeur de retour d'une Function (ce qui oblige à changer le corps de la Function si on change son nom), accès numérique aux éléments d'une chaîne de caractères (à l'aide de Mid(chaîne, i, 1)) qui me semble peu performant (ce n'est peut-être qu'une question d'implémentation, je n'ai d'ailleurs pas fait d'essais en OooBasic), forme lourde de l'incrémentation d'une variable numérique entière... Il ne me semble donc pas plus facile de programmer en Basic qu'en C++, par exemple, je dirais même que c'est le contraire. Je me demande donc quel est l'avantage du Basic. Si quelqu'un a une idée et veut répondre, merci d'avance. A.
Re: [prog] Pourquoi un Basic ?
Merci pour la réponse aimable, Laurent. [ l'avantage du Basic est] d'etre interpreté et donc multiplateforme et simple à apréhender mais au dela du langage c'est l'api et sa simplicité à mettre en oeuvre qui fait la puisance Je crois en effet que c'est là l'essentiel. pour un compromis, tu peux eventuellement utiliser python (ou java) D'après votre livre, pp. 8-9, il est plus facile de recourir à l'API par le biais d'OOoBasic. Je suppose donc qu'on a privilégié le Basic, mais j'imagine que toutes les facilités qu'on a fournies en Basic pourraient l'être dans d'autres langages aussi. Je t'invite egalement à participer au wiki du projet Extensions sur la partie C++ afin de permettre à de nouveaux arrivants de debuter Je suis un programmeur amateur qui a besoin de beaucoup d'aide et n'en a guère à apporter. Mais je vais peut-être saisir l'occasion qu'offre OpenOffice d'apprendre Python ou Java. merci pour tes remarques Encore merci pour la réponse. A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [prog] Boîte de dialogue qui mémorise ses para mètres
- Original Message - From: Laurent Godard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: prog@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [prog] Boîte de dialogue qui mémorise ses paramètres Bonjour adrien Est-ce possible avec une variable booléenne, ou faudrait-il passer par un Variant et utiliser isEmpty() ou isNull() ? je pense que isEmpty est une bonne approche ci joint un exemple HTH Laurent global valeur2 sub test if isEmpty(valeur2) then print valeur2 n'a jamais ete utilisée valeur2 = 1234 else print valeur2 a deja ete utilisée endif end sub Merci beaucoup. Et, par parenthèse, merci à Bernard et à vous pour votre bon livre en français. J'y avais souligné que les variables Global étaient persistantes, et je suis encore parvenu à l'oublier... A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[prog] Boîte de dialogue qui mémorise ses paramètres
Bonjour.
Désolé de créer de nouveau un fil sur un sujet déjà
existant,
mais est-il possible d'envoyer un message en tant
que réponse
si on a vidé sa boîte à mails ?
Je reviens à la boîte de dialogue qui doit
mémoriser ses paramètres
d'une exécution à l'autre de la macro, et à la
première méthode proposée.
La boîte de dialogue en question comporte deux
boutons d'option (boutons radio).
Je voudrais que, lors de la première exécution de
la macro au cours
de la session OpenOffice (peut-être faut-il dire : session sWriter ?),
le second bouton soit pointé lors de l'apparition
de la boîte
et qu'à chacune des exécutions suivantes, ce soit
le boutonchoisi lors de l'exécution
précédente qui apparaisse pointé.
La méthode que Bernard et Didier m'ont conseillée
consiste, je suppose,
à déclarer comme Global une variable booléenne,
disons valeurBouton2,
et à écrire dans le code quelque chose comme
:
Dlg = createUnoDialog(monDialogue)
Dlg.getControl("OptionButton2").State
=valeurBouton2
Dlg.Execute
valeurBouton2 = Dlg.getControl("OptionButton2").State
Dlg.Dispose()
Ce que je me demande, c'est comment imposer à
valeurBouton2 la valeur
True lors de la première exécution sans que
l'instruction ad hoc n'ait
pour effet d'imposer la même valeur à chaque
exécution.
Est-il possible de dire quelque chose comme "Si la
variable valeurBouton2 n'a pas
encore été initialisée, lui attribuer la valeur
True" ?
Est-ce possible avec une variable booléenne, ou
faudrait-il passer par un Variant
et utiliser isEmpty() ou isNull() ?
Désolé si c'est une bête question et merci
d'avancepour la réponse.
A.
[prog] [Re] Boîte de dialogue qui mémorise ses paramètr es.
Merci Bernard Marcelly, mais votre méthode convient-elle pour deux exécutions différentes de la macro ? En fait, je suis en train de "traduire" des macros VBA en Basic d'OpenOffice. En VBA, une boîte de dialogue reste chargée en mémoire (avec ses derniers paramètres), même après l'exécution de la macro, à condition qu'on l'ait fait disparaître à l'aide de la méthode Hide, sans lui appliquer la fonction Unload. C'est très simple et très pratique et je me demande s'il existe quelque chose de semblable en OooBasic. Merci tout de même de la réponse et mes excuses si je vous ai mal compris. A.
[prog] Associer une macro à un évènement.
Bonjour. J'ai une boîte de dialogue qui comporteun bouton de commande et je voudrais associer une macro à l'évènement "clic sur le bouton de commande". Cette boîte de dialogue et la macroqui doit êtreassociée à l'évènement sont toutes deux stockées dans Mes macros/Standard. J'essaie de suivre la méthode indiquée dans Marcelly et Godard, pp. 494-5, mais je n'obtiens qu'une liste, à savoir celle des évènements. Les deux listes qu'on voit sur la figure 15-5 du livre, p. 495, et qui permettent de choisir la macro à associer, n'apparaissent pas chez moi. Si quelqu'un veut bien m'aider, merci d'avance. A.
[prog] Caractère NULL inattendu.
Merci à Bernard Marcelly et Alex Thurgood. J'ai envoyé un rapport d' "issue" (64915). A.
[prog] Palliatif pour XTextRange.getString()
Bonsoir. Après que j'ai noté un bug sans l'analyser à fond, Bernard Marcelly a montré que XTextRange.getString() fonctionne incorrectement si elle doit renvoyer une chaîne d'au moins 10240 caractères. Compte tenu de cela, je me suis bricolé une fonction palliative. Je la mets en ligne en espérant que s'il y a des choses que je n'ai pas prévues, on me les indiquera. (Je suis encore débutant et je le resterai sans doute longtemps. Par exemple, je ne sais pas encore si un curseur visible a une propriété "Text" qui correspond bien à la fonction que je mets en ligne.) A.
[prog] [Writer] Unicode pour fins de ligne et de paragraphe.
Bonjour. Trouvant un peu gênant qu'une marque de paragraphe compte pour un seul "caractère" dans les déplacements de curseur et pour deux dans les chaînes couvertes par ces curseurs (en tout cas, c'est ainsi sous Windows), j'aimerais disposer d'une fonction qui reçoive un curseur en argument et renvoie la chaîne couverte par ce curseur, mais la renvoie d'une façon conforme aux recommandations Unicode : caractère Chr(8232) pour une fin de ligne manuelle, et caractère (unique) Chr(8233) pour une marque de paragraphe. Je serais donc reconnaissant à qui pourrait me dire si une telle fonction existe déjà. Si je n'apprends pas qu'elle existe, j'utiliserai une version que j'ai écrite, mais dont je crains, évidemment, que ce ne soit du bricolage d'amateur. Tant qu'à faire, j'essaierais alors de rendre cette version la plus portable possible. Je serais donc reconnaissant à qui pourrait me dire 1° si, à part les fins de ligne et les fins de paragraphe, ilexiste d'autres "caractères d'écran" (on se comprend) auxquels Open Office, dans tel ou tel système d'exploitation, attribue un autre numéro que le numéro Unicode; 2° si, à part les fins de paragraphe, il existe d'autres "caractères" qui ne sont pas comptés de même dans les déplacements de curseur et dans les chaînes. Merci d'avance. A.
[prog] Caractère NULL inattendu.
Bonsoir.
Comme je l'ai déjà dit, j'apprends les macros
d'OpenOffice Writer sous Windows et
(je ne sais pas si c'est une particularité de
Windows) les marques de paragraphe
y comptent pour un caractère dans les
déplacements de curseur mais pour deux
dans les chaînes couvertes par ces
curseurs.
La macro qui suit ouvre un nouveau document vierge
et y insère 2048 lignes identiques,
chaque ligne étant formée des quinze
premières lignes minuscules (a à o) et d'une
marque de paragraphe.
Cela fait donc 2048 x 16 = 32768 caractères, en
comptant une marque de paragraphe
pour un caractère.
Ensuite, la macro étend un curseursur 32767
positions à partir du début du texte.
(Une marque de paragraphe correspond à une
position.)
La macro envoie alors un MsgBox indiquant le Asc du
dernier caractère (Right(..., 1) ) de la chaîne
couverte par ce curseur (propriété String du
curseur).
Résultat inattendu : ce Asc est zéro.
La macro envoieensuite un MsgBox indiquant la
longueur (Len) de la chaîne en question.
Puisqu'il y a 2047 marques de paragraphe dans la
zone couverte par le curseur
et que les marques de paragraphe comptent
double, on s'attendrait à ce que cette
longueur soit 32767 + 2047 = 34814, mais
le message indique 34815.
(On dirait donc que le caractère NULL est en
sus.)
Quelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer ces deux résultats
?
Merci d'avance.
A.
[code]
Sub DebugUnicodeString
Dim monDocument As Object Dim
CurseurVisible As Object Dim i As Long Dim carSpecial As
Integer Dim ourText As Object Dim auxCursor As
Object Dim ourString As String Dim propFich()
monDocument =
StarDesktop.LoadComponentFromURL("private:factory/swriter", "_blank", 0,
propFich)' Je suppose que monDocument est maintenant identique à
ThisComponent. CurseurVisible =
ThisComponent.CurrentController.getViewCursor() ourText =
CurseurVisible.getText() ' Je suppose que ourText = monDocument.getText()
reviendrait au même.
carSpecial =
com.sun.star.text.ControlCharacter.PARAGRAPH_BREAK For i = 1 To
2048 ourText.insertString(CurseurVisible,
"abcdefghijklmno", False)
ourText.insertControlCharacter(CurseurVisible, carSpecial, False) Next
' Le document comporte donc 2048 X 16 = 32768
caractères,' en comptant une marque de paragraphe pour un seul
caractère.
auxCursor = ourText.createTextCursor() ' Est
au début du texte. auxCursor.goRight(32767, True) ' La
ligne qui suit sert à vérifier que auxCursor s'arrête juste avant le dernier
caractère' (marque de paragraphe) inséré par la macro.
CurseurVisible.goToRange(auxCursor.getEnd(), False)' OK.
' Même s'il arrive qu'une différence d'une seule position corresponde' à
deux caractères de chaîne (Chr(13) Chr(10)), 32767 positions font au
plus' 65534 caractères de chaîne, donc auxCursor.getString() ne pose pas
de' problèmes.
ourString = auxCursor.getString()
'' MsgBox "Le dernier caractère de ourString,
donné par Right(..., 1) a pour Asc : " Asc(Right(ourString, 1))' Avec
un document formé de 2024 lignes dont chacune est formée des 15 lettres
minuscules allant de a à o' et d'une marque de paragraphe, le MsgBox qui
précède affiche que le Asc est 0. ???
MsgBox "La longueur de ourString est "
Len(ourString)' Avec un document formé de 2024 lignes dont chacune est
formée des 15 lettres minuscules allant de a à o' et d'une marque de
paragraphe, le MsgBox qui précède affiche 34815 (il me semble que cela devrait
être' 34814).
End Sub
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[dev-fr] [Writer] Marques de paragraphes sous Windows : 1 ou 2 caractères ?
Bonjour. J'utilise OpenOffice sous Windows et il me semble que, dans les macros en Ooo Basic, le fait qu'une marque de paragraphe soit lue (sous Windows, en tout cas) comme Chr(13) Chr(10) pose un problème : pour un curseur de texte, il n'y a là qu'un caractère, mais dans une chaîne, la marque compte pour deux. J'ai soumis ce problème sur le forum anglophone le 19 de ce mois, mais je n'ai pas reçu de réponse, donc je me permets d'essayer ici. Je voudrais écrire une macro qui filtre interactivement des caractères prohibés dans un texte, disons dans le texte principal du document actif. (Les caractères prohibés sont par exemple ceux dont le Asc() est 96, mais dans la pratique réelle, il s'agit de quelque chose de plus compliqué.) Déplacer un curseur en l'étendant successivement sur chaque caractère, et sélectionner le curseur si le caractère renvoyé par la chaîne de ce curseur est prohibé, cela fonctionne correctement, mais c'est très lent. J'ai donc essayé d'étendre le curseur sur des zones successives de 32767 caractères, de lire la chaîne correspondante caractère par caractère, et, au cas où le n-ième caractère de cette chaîne est prohibé, de faire sélectionner le n-ième caractère de la zone couverte par le curseur. C'est nettement plus rapide, mais c'est saboté par le fait que les marques de paragraphe comptent pour deux caractères dans les chaînes et pour un seul dans les mouvements de curseur. Éventuellement, vous pourrez voir un exemple du code complet sur le forum anglophone, sous le titre Cursors and strings don't count the characters on the same way. (Il est maintenant au début de la seconde page du forum sur les macros.) Évidemment, pendant qu'un indice va de 1 à la longueur de la chaîne, on peut utiliser un autre indice qui ne s'incrémente que si le caractère pointé par le premier indice n'est pas un Chr(13) suivi d'un Chr(10). C'est alors ce second indice qui indique à quel endroit de la zone du curseur se trouve le caractère prohibé. Dans les cas que j'ai testés, cela fonctionne correctement et nettement plus vite que la première méthode ci-dessus, mais enfin, ça me semble un peu un bricolage d'amateur et j'aimerais savoir s'il n'existe pas une solution officielle. Merci d'avance à qui me répondra.
Re: [dev-fr] [Writer] Marques de paragraphes sous Windows : 1 ou 2 caractères ?
- Original Message - From: Bernard Marcelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@fr.openoffice.org Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [dev-fr] [Writer] Marques de paragraphes sous Windows : 1 ou 2 caractères ? Bonjour Adrien Delcour A mon avis, c'est une erreur de balayer caractère par caractère indépendamment des paragraphes. Tu peux avancer par paragraphe avec le curseur et récupérer la chaîne du paragraphe, si elle fait moins de 65535 caractères. Ensuite tu travailles sur la chaîne. Ce genre de question est à poser sur la liste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bernard Merci beaucoup. C'est vrai que c'est une façon bien simple de se débarrasser du problème. Je pense même qu'il est impossible de faire un paragraphe de plus de 65535 caractères. (J'ai essayé et cela a produit un crash.) J'ai noté la bonne adresse. Encore merci. A.D. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fisheye - 135/2.5 - 15/3.5
I have the 15/3.5 fisheye. Truly great lens. So, maybe I should go for the 15/3.5 wide angle. Even at 444 euro? :-) Paul Delcour From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: AudioBias Systems Engineering Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:05:24 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fisheye - 135/2.5 - 15/3.5 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:28:38 -0400 On 9 Oct 2003 at 22:45, Paul Delcour wrote: One of the 15/3.5 lenses I missed on ebay because I was overbid, is now on sale again as the buyer also bought the A version. He's asking more than he ended up paying for it (small wonder), but I wander, now with my fisheye (and my Tokina 17/3.5) whether it's worth going for it once more. No doubt great lens, but at 444 euro's or 555 buy now it's too much I feel. I think you'll find the P15/3.5 very different from the Tokina 17/3.5, the T won't last long. Which fisheye do you own? The 15/3.5 and the 16/2.8 make a great pair. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Fisheye - 135/2.5 - 15/3.5
Oops. Sorry. It's a 17/4 fisheye. I got them all mixed up. :-) Paul From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:08:00 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fisheye - 135/2.5 - 15/3.5 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:07:55 -0400 Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the 15/3.5 fisheye. Truly great lens. Which 15/3.5 fisheye. Pentax never made one - just the 15/3.5 rectilinear (K and A versions). -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Fisheye - 135/2.5 - 15/3.5
Hi all, well, I have both the above mentioned lensen now. Both from ebay, both in excellent condition and I am very happy. Especially the fisheye is a joy to use. And to my amazement, depending on the subject and standpoint, the distortion is not bothering me at all. It even adds to the picture and in some I cannot even tell I used the fisheye, rather some super wide angle lens. Great! The 135/2.5 is wonderful, but as I do not use tele a lot, I'll need some getting used to this one. I'll post some pictures and let you know where to find them. No fancy artistic stuff, just on the fly ones. One of the 15/3.5 lenses I missed on ebay because I was overbid, is now on sale again as the buyer also bought the A version. He's asking more than he ended up paying for it (small wonder), but I wander, now with my fisheye (and my Tokina 17/3.5) whether it's worth going for it once more. No doubt great lens, but at 444 euro's or 555 buy now it's too much I feel. :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Evaluating Photographs
The composer is always right, no matter how far of historically he may be. :-) Paul Delcour From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:13:41 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Evaluating Photographs Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:13:44 -0400 We had a unique experience in our community band last February. The local historical society commissioned a work for us to play as part of a local celebration. Our last 3 rehearsals were attended and critiqued by the composer. We played it as per the wishes of the composer and, if I may so myself, we did a good job with it. Now, what if there were a professional critic there who were to disagree with the way we played the music. Who would be correct, the critic, or us, who had the benefit of the composer's desire for how it should sound? Seems to me the same would apply to a photographer's interpretation of his image. Bill
Re: Evaluating Photographs
I thought you meant Louis... Idea is the same. :-) Paul Delcour From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:30:22 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Evaluating Photographs Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:31:08 -0400 I distinguish between performers and composers and I should have written the latter. However, I meant Johnny Cash. He could not read music but wrote great stuff, and performed it, for more than 40 years. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Evaluating Photographs There's ton of musicians who cannot read a note: choral singers for one and folk music makers for another. In fact for thousand of years people made music purely by ear, not sight. But to get on topic: I'm sure wonderful photographs have been made by completely ignorant people. It's just a pitty they probably never knew... :-) Paul Delcour From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:11:35 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Evaluating Photographs Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:12:28 -0400 True. I enjoy music but don't claim to understand it -- especially the twelve tonal stuff. However, one of the most successful musicians of our time could not read a note of music. I'm sure you all know who that was. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Evaluating Photographs O well, this brings up a lot. The story then states we shouldn't judge work by others unless we can produce the result we criticised. I do not agree. Any audience can say what they want about any work, no matter what their skills are in the particular field. The audience is the aim of the work in most cases, so why should they not speak their minds and hearts? A woman once said she couldn't say anything about a concert, because she didn't know the first thing about music. My dear lady, I said, please enjoy the music to your hearts content and let your ignorance play no part in that. Otherwise nobody would ever be able to enjoy anything anymore. There's few folk about that can judge a work of art with exceptional knowledge and experience. I remember discussing auditioning for the music conservatory. How do you judge someone to be musical and make it through to a diploma? There's no one set of fixed guidelines available. Even in photography no set of rules can be the perfect judging instrument. Technically two or more photographs could be close to perfection, but if the composition is not pleasing anyone, what good are they but perhaps to the maker only? Now however, being criticised by someone who thinks he has knowledge and understanding is terrible. There's no arguing with such a person. Happens in music a lot, must be so in any form of art. Lately a lady said the choir sang a hymn too fast as in Germany it was sung much slower. I knew immediately this was no historic argument, purely a being used to one. I try to be as open as I can possibly be about what I know and when I simply don't. But when a choir demands leadership sometimes I have to play know-all. In the end it is only the beholder and the beholder alone who judges anybodys work. The maker chooses to aim at pleasing the beholder or simply doing what he or she sees fit to make. And in between lies the whole fascinating world called life, where as a musician I aim to please, but also try to fulfill my own musical dreams which may never please anyone but me... :-) Paul Delcour
Tamron SP AF 24-135MM 3.5-5.6 AD
Hi all, Richard Ullakko some time ago suggested to look at this lens. Richard, do you have it? Can you tell me why you think it is so good? I've found one for $299,-. Would that be reasonable? Any idea how this Tamron compares quaility wise to a Tokina 28-85 3.5/4.5 ATX? Anyone else know this Tamron lens? Seems like a very flexible zoom, be it a bit dark at 135. Thanks! :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round
Ah, well then I simply do not agree with mr. Wilde. :-) Paul Delcour From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:09:43 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:10:57 -0400 Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:25:52 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:26:11 -0400 You know, I don't think I am completely convinced that every picture has to be supersharp or even very sharp. Or that sharpness is the #1 indicator of a good picture. Or whatever. Re tripods. Marnie aka Doe Smacks to me of the concept that a photograph should be as close to realism as possible, because photography is all about realism and nothing else. Hear, hear. Cameras lie, we make the lies. The telling of beautiful, untrue things is the proper aim of art - Oscar Wilde -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer
Thanks Kenneth for your explanation. I may sound amateurish, but I'm the one who just sees a shot and takes it. I hate having to do a lot afterwards, be it in a darkroom or in a digital room. That's why I took to slides a certain period, they just gave me what I saw. Looking back I can all my mistakes all too clearly as well. What I certainly do not like about photgraphy is the amount of technique I need to get a picture rigt. I feel the technique is more a burden than a blessing. As a choir conductor I do not sense any limits like this. As a pianist I did however. My arms and fingers didn't want to do what I did. The piano was in my way, as are a lot of photographical technical aspects. The absurd limits of a film for instance. I hope that digital solves this all in due course. This sounds more negative than it really is, but as I'm picking up my photography now I do encounter the very same things that made me stop twcie before. So, I'm not a natural photographer I guess. :-) Paul Delcour From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:44 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:47 -0400 Paul, this image was submitted digitally to Outdoor Photographer. I used Photoshop to set white and dark points, clean dust spots with the clone stamp, apply a little unsharp mask, a slight crop and then size the image. The Image as printed pretty much agrees with the original slide. It is as straight forward as I can make it. This is pretty much the way I handle all my images that I either post or print. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Kenneth, really wonderful picture. I wander what you did do in Photshop as you say the image wasn't manipulated or anything. How straightforward a shoot was this? :-) Paul Delcour From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:50:57 +0200 To: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:50:11 -0400 Hi! Here's the correct URL: http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/IceFlwer.html Congratulations. Boris ===8==Original message text=== KW Well, after being advised a year ago that an image of mine was selected for KW publication in Outdoor Photographer, Your Gallery section, it finally KW appeared in the October 2003 issue. Check out pages 80/81 of that issue - KW the Your Gallery section. I've posted this previously to the PUG KW (http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/IceFlwr.html). KW I also sent them a paragraph about the capture of this image but they chose KW to write their own. KW They did to use this image previously as a background for an story on KW Keeping Cool, KW in the June 2003 issue of Outdoor Photographer. KW Kenneth Waller ===8===End of original message text===
Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round
That is very interesting. I never thought of it that way. So other brands put emphasis on a certain aspect of lens technique. Nikon on sharpness, Leica as well? Something like that? Is there any source on the web for this kind of info or is this typical user experience? It's impossible for a simple (read little money owning) amateur to test these things. Have several bodies with lenses from several manufacturers and go out testing: no way. It pleases me to know this overal compromise by Pentax. I think it's how I would like my lenses to be. :-) Paul Delcour PS I know, I know, you haven't seen any pictures of me yet. In due course I'll try and make a webpage with some representable ones and you can all shoot holes in them as much as you like. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:22:39 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:23:04 -0400 William Robb wrote: I actually don't find Pentax lenses to be overly contrasty. Pentax glass is more about balance. Everything is compromised somewhat, this is the nature of lensmaking, but no one parameter is compromised overly at the expense of another parameter. This matches my obsevations also. I have always said that Pentax optimises their lenses for best overall picture quality rather than best sharpness or best contrast as many other manufactures do. This is one of the reasons that our lenses that make those wonderful photos don't always have real high test scores in photo publications. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com
Re: Tripod use
Hi William, since you wrote so convincingly a 90 degree tilt was possible, I had a look at my 128RC Manfrotto videohead and low and behold: with some arranging of the handle a 90 degree tilt was possible. Thanks! Now what to do with the photohead? I think I'll keep that for keeps. Never know when it may come in handy. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:59:33 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:59:39 -0400 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour Subject: Re: Tripod use OK :-) I have a nice Manfrotto 058 tripod, the one where you can centrally control all three legs together or each leg seperately. Heavy, but very steady. Problem is, I had a photocamerahead and now I have a camcorder head. This one however doesn't take my K2 very well. I can only get it on horizontal,it won't tilt to vertical. And changing the head each time is too cumbersome. Now what? Big tripod. I went with the 028 for my mid size tripod, and a Zone VI for my heavyweight. You can get vertical tilt off the video head by rotating the camera 90º on the platform and tilting the platform vertical. William Robb
Re: Tripod use
I can indeed forget carrying the 058 around. However, it is very stable, partly due to the weight, partly due to the leg construction. Also it can reach enormous height. This was great when I needed to shoot over an audience. Nice also for my camcorder when tilting or panning. For taking pictures, adjusting it untill I have exactly the right position takes long. That's why I prefer handshooting. But for all kinds of jobs the 058 is great, for instance macro and copying photos. :-) Paul Delcour From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: AudioBias Systems Engineering Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:04:22 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:04:26 -0400 On 18 Sep 2003 at 20:59, William Robb wrote: Big tripod. I went with the 028 for my mid size tripod, and a Zone VI for my heavyweight. You can get vertical tilt off the video head by rotating the camera 90º on the platform and tilting the platform vertical. The 058 is a pretty big tripod it's already quite a bit heavier than the 028 without a head. The 058 is a great studio tripod but forget porting it about. Mine is on a 127VS Dolly and is fitted with a 229 head, all up the weight is around 11.5kg. My other tripod is a 440 which I use with a 460mg, 141RC or 308RC with and without the centre post (as a weight reducing option). For extra weight/greater stability you can fit the 166 apron support and load it up with drinks/rocks/spare photo kit. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Viewfinder
Been thinking about viewfinders. On my camcorder I can fold out my viewfinder, ie the LCD screen, giving me much more freedom of position than with my photocamera. Why do digital cameras not have such a folding LCD screen? Or do some have them? For this reason alone I've grown to love video more than photography. :-) Paul Delcour
Tokina 28-85 3.5/4.5 ATX
Hi all, anyone know and/or use this zoom? I have found the following on: http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html#tokina Tokina 28-85mm f/4 RMC and f/3.5-4.5 ATX Tokina designed an RMC f/4 version of this lens which had a constant aperture, unlike the later ATX variable aperture version. The RMC version lacked the macro ability added to the later ATX version too. The ATX lens had a 1:3.5 macro capability and was significantly lighter (17 1/2 ounces versus 21 ounces) and slightly shorter (3 inches versus 3 1/2 inches). One big advantage of the variable aperture ATX zoom is that it used much smaller, lighter, and cheaper filters (62mm versus 72mm for the original constant aperture f/4 zoom). This filter factor is quite important if that new zoom means you have to run out and get all new filters for your new bigger zoom lens. That constant aperture may be nice, but you may pay for it twice, once for the lens and again for a new set of larger and expensive filters! On the other hand, the original constant aperture f/4 RMC zoom was probably a bit better optically, and close-focused down to only 2 1/2 feet. And it did have a constant aperture, albeit f/4. Not surprisingly, the older optically superior lens is often significantly cheaper on the used third party lens market. Perhaps it isn't up to Pentax zoom standards, but it sounds like a nice lens to do candid work. From all the info I have gathered from you all and the web I'm still pretty confused as to what zoom within say 24-105 is a good one. Do I really need to go Pentax or, as some suggested, go Tamron or otherwise? I want to use this zoom when quick reacting is required, ie where changing primes is out of the question. :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Viewfinder
I think then the viewfinder on a photocamera is very different from a camcorder's. The former is merely a rough reminder what the picture will look like, the latter is, for me, an absolute neccesity because to me it's like watching TV, be it small, by which I can very well judge the resulting shoot. Still, the folding screen allows for the camera to be held high above your head, to get over crowds, and get an idea of the picture. You know the newsreporters just clicking ahead with their highheld cameras. It'll turn out pretty right anyway. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:04:45 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Viewfinder Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:04:47 -0400 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour Subject: Viewfinder Been thinking about viewfinders. On my camcorder I can fold out my viewfinder, ie the LCD screen, giving me much more freedom of position than with my photocamera. Why do digital cameras not have such a folding LCD screen? Or do some have them? For this reason alone I've grown to love video more than photography. Some of the better digital point and shoots for sure have folding screens. My Canon G1 has just such a thing, for example. The problems with them is they are battery hogs, and really only good for rough composition. William Robb
Film limits - measuring light correctly
It sounds a bit of a strong viewpoint, doesn't it. What I mean is the limited lightvalues a film can take. It can soon be too light (my K2 only has 1/1000), but more sooner gets too dark to get any decent image on film. With a camcorder I can go till I have only the light of a matchstick. Of course the image changes in quality dramatically. But were I to be ready to take pictures in all of those extreme situations, I'd have to be carrying an awful lot of equipment and what's more, keep changing it to suit the situation. A digital camera can and has overcome these light problems. Bless them. That is certainly what I feel to be a very weak point of taking photographs. Yes, some time ago you needed to know quite a lot to get a decent picture. However, with all those automatic cameras, though many pictures are not that bad, you often see the limits of the automation. More than not encouter it myself if ever I handle one. Often they cannot be used manually. Try shooting without the flash. You often can't! On the other hand, if you make good use of the limits I mentioned above you can work wonders and truly create art as someone pointed out. The biggest problem I have is measuring the light correctly. One problem there is of course that the central processing and printing plant corrects my neg. no matter what I do to get a correct exposure. This is a real pain in the... But I cannot see myself print colourphotos at home. Have done so once and enjoyed it very much, but the effort and time. Phew. I have a very nice Minolta autometer IV which I use to measure the studioflash with. It's supposed to be able to do ambient light as well. Have to get the right diffusors for it. See if that helps. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:58:13 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:04:47 -0400 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer What I certainly do not like about photgraphy is the amount of technique I need to get a picture rigt. I feel the technique is more a burden than a blessing. As a choir conductor I do not sense any limits like this. As a pianist I did however. My arms and fingers didn't want to do what I did. The piano was in my way, as are a lot of photographical technical aspects. The absurd limits of a film for instance. I hope that digital solves this all in due course. I would like you to expand on the absurd limits of a film, I am curious to know what you mean. If you think phototechnique is hard now, you should have been doing photography 30 or more years ago, when a photographer actually had to have some photo technical knowledge. William Robb
Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer
You're right of course, but I find the limits of light values within which you can get a decent picture rather an obstruction than a blessing. Funny I do not experience this with my choral conducting, although the limits of waht a choir can do are sometimes enormous, considering the level of singing some choirs have (or not). But within those limits I do no find that a problem. You can sing when and whenever you want. Try that with a camera! :-) Paul Delcour From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:47:00 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:47:22 -0400 I don't think this is negative, I think it's the just the extreme expression of the aesthetic aspect of photography. Like most art forms, there is a technique side that puts constraints on pure aesthetics, and the resulting combination is art. One of the good parts about photography is that if you have the aesthetic sense (theeye) then you can probably learn enough technique or get an automatic enough camera to not limit yourself too much. This is not true in many arts (like painting) which is why I believe photography is such a popular hobby. Certainly, this is true in my case, although I think my enjoyment of the technical aspects is important to me and my eye is probably my limitation ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/19/03 05:50AM Thanks Kenneth for your explanation. I may sound amateurish, but I'm the one who just sees a shot and takes it. I hate having to do a lot afterwards, be it in a darkroom or in a digital room. That's why I took to slides a certain period, they just gave me what I saw. Looking back I can all my mistakes all too clearly as well. What I certainly do not like about photgraphy is the amount of technique I need to get a picture rigt. I feel the technique is more a burden than a blessing. As a choir conductor I do not sense any limits like this. As a pianist I did however. My arms and fingers didn't want to do what I did. The piano was in my way, as are a lot of photographical technical aspects. The absurd limits of a film for instance. I hope that digital solves this all in due course. This sounds more negative than it really is, but as I'm picking up my photography now I do encounter the very same things that made me stop twcie before. So, I'm not a natural photographer I guess. :-) Paul Delcour From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:44 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:47 -0400 Paul, this image was submitted digitally to Outdoor Photographer. I used Photoshop to set white and dark points, clean dust spots with the clone stamp, apply a little unsharp mask, a slight crop and then size the image. The Image as printed pretty much agrees with the original slide. It is as straight forward as I can make it. This is pretty much the way I handle all my images that I either post or print. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Kenneth, really wonderful picture. I wander what you did do in Photshop as you say the image wasn't manipulated or anything. How straightforward a shoot was this? :-) Paul Delcour From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:50:57 +0200 To: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:50:11 -0400 Hi! Here's the correct URL: http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/IceFlwer.html Congratulations. Boris ===8==Original message text=== KW Well, after being advised a year ago that an image of mine was selected for KW publication in Outdoor Photographer, Your Gallery section, it finally KW appeared in the October 2003 issue. Check out pages 80/81 of that issue - KW the Your Gallery section. I've posted this previously to the PUG KW (http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/IceFlwr.html). KW I also sent them a paragraph about the capture of this image but they chose KW to write their own. KW They did to use this image previously as a background for an story on KW Keeping Cool, KW in the June 2003 issue of Outdoor Photographer. KW Kenneth Waller ===8===End of original message text===
Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer
Yes I do, but you forget one thing. People have talents. The very first time I stood in front of a choir I simply knew what to do. Nobody told me, it just came out of me as if I had never done anything else. Of course I had to learn things and develop that talent, but as a photographer I find I have the talent to 'see' good shots, but lack the urge to learn and develop. Once I've seen the shot, that's it, I'm done. All that work afterwards downgrades that moment immensely for me. Choral music never bores me, photography does. Too many photographs are alike. Maybe the variation in music is bigger. Also, the human factor may be bigger: singing and conducting is something you do yourself. It's as personal as it can get. :-) Paul Delcour From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:39:30 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:40:04 -0400 Boy are you in trouble. The thing about digital to the serious photographer is it brings all those controls back into his hands. To do good digital photos you have to have more skills, not less. Face it to 99% of the people who take photos art does not enter the equation at all. The other 1% need quite a bit of technical skill to make the medium say what they want it to say. The interesting thing is that while the pros are dumping their darkroom stuff, many amateurs are setting up darkrooms (especially for BW work) because there is a certain joy to doing things the old way. One can in fact set up a pretty nice darkroom for the price of an istD. I am at the level in music that you seem to be in photography. I took two, two long years, wow, of lessons and still can not get what I want out of my mandolin. People who actually play them well tell me it will take 10 years of practice to get good at it. I may not have 10 years left, so I do not try too hard anymore. Of course I could program any music I want into MIDI and let the computer play it. Somehow I don't feel it is the same thing. Do you see the parallels in what I am saying? Paul Delcour wrote: Thanks Kenneth for your explanation. I may sound amateurish, but I'm the one who just sees a shot and takes it. I hate having to do a lot afterwards, be it in a darkroom or in a digital room. That's why I took to slides a certain period, they just gave me what I saw. Looking back I can all my mistakes all too clearly as well. What I certainly do not like about photgraphy is the amount of technique I need to get a picture rigt. I feel the technique is more a burden than a blessing. As a choir conductor I do not sense any limits like this. As a pianist I did however. My arms and fingers didn't want to do what I did. The piano was in my way, as are a lot of photographical technical aspects. The absurd limits of a film for instance. I hope that digital solves this all in due course. This sounds more negative than it really is, but as I'm picking up my photography now I do encounter the very same things that made me stop twcie before. So, I'm not a natural photographer I guess. :-) Paul Delcour From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:44 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:00:47 -0400 Paul, this image was submitted digitally to Outdoor Photographer. I used Photoshop to set white and dark points, clean dust spots with the clone stamp, apply a little unsharp mask, a slight crop and then size the image. The Image as printed pretty much agrees with the original slide. It is as straight forward as I can make it. This is pretty much the way I handle all my images that I either post or print. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Kenneth, really wonderful picture. I wander what you did do in Photshop as you say the image wasn't manipulated or anything. How straightforward a shoot was this? :-) Paul Delcour From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:50:57 +0200 To: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pentax Image in Outdoor Photographer Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:50:11 -0400 Hi! Here's the correct URL: http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/IceFlwer.html Congratulations. Boris ===8==Original message text=== KW Well, after being advised a year ago that an image of mine was selected for KW publication in Outdoor Photographer, Your Gallery section, it finally KW appeared in the October 2003 issue. Check out
Re: Viewfinder
I do now, reading your grin PS... Somehow it's wrong as it's lost its meaning a bit, putting it under every mail. :-) Paul From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:35:04 +0100 To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Viewfinder Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:20:18 -0400 On 19/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Been thinking about viewfinders. On my camcorder I can fold out my viewfinder, ie the LCD screen, giving me much more freedom of position than with my photocamera. Why do digital cameras not have such a folding LCD screen? Or do some have them? For this reason alone I've grown to love video more than photography. Personally I can't stand LCD viewfinders, although they do have their uses. My Mrs has a Powershot G2 with a very versatile fold-out LCD screen and shooting from high or low level is a breeze with it, especially discreet street or reportage - nobody knows what the hell you're doing, they assume you're fiddling with a Walkman (or iPod in this day and age). That said, if I ever use the G2, I use the optical viewfinder - poor as it is - almost exclusively. This is the great thing about DSLRs. An optical viewfinder is a necessity because of the nature of the SLR. If you think about what you are seeing through the lens, how could the CMOS or CCD sensor 'see' what you are seeing? The mirror is down and in the way. LCD preview is not possible, unless by some pseudo means. I dare say someone will come up with a method that works one day. Much as I hate LCDs, I look down a viewfinder onto a small CRT display every day on my video camera. Bloody hate it! Give me optical or give me death. :-) You're a happy bunny Paul. I think I've read every one of your posts and they all include, without fail, a smiley at the end. Do you walk around with such a grin as well? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Film limits - measuring light correctly
Technique can be learned, seeing a shot not. You see it or you don't. Somebody can point it out to you, you may see it then, but is you who 'sees' it! In music, for instance putting your fingers on the right keys on a piano can be learned, making music by playing the piano can't. This may seem romantic or what, but since the end of the 18th century we are stuck with an analytic education system which adds up all your learned knowledge and thinks thusway you create a musician or whatever. This system forgets the forces within, talent, drive, what ever. I experience this everytime I work with an amateurchoir. They usually don't know the first thing about music, the theory, how to use their breath properly, yet I can make them sing in a way you wouldn't expect them too if you follow the analytic system. The intuitive system makes you perform far better than you think you could. Of course in the end I run into limits and then peopole do have to take singing lessons. Or in photography more knowledge would be required. But my starting point is the intuition, instinct, whatever you want to call it. It works. That's all I can say. :-) Paul Delcour From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:58:29 +0100 To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film limits - measuring light correctly Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:20:20 -0400 On 19/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: What I mean is the limited lightvalues a film can take. It can soon be too light (my K2 only has 1/1000), but more sooner gets too dark to get any decent image on film. With a camcorder I can go till I have only the light of a matchstick. Of course the image changes in quality dramatically. But were I to be ready to take pictures in all of those extreme situations, I'd have to be carrying an awful lot of equipment and what's more, keep changing it to suit the situation. A digital camera can and has overcome these light problems. Bless them. That is certainly what I feel to be a very weak point of taking photographs. When an artist picks up a pencil, will it be hard or soft? What informs that judgement? Partly it is the feel of the work he/she is wanting to produce, and how that work translates as a finished drawing. The artist has to have the knowledge of the pencils, the chalk, the paint. That technique has to be learned, it is not instinctive. The finished work appears as instinct and expression and cannot be taught. When a director makes a film, he has to know how to handle actors to get the best out of them, as well as knowing how to handle the way the camera records the scene, how it will look when finished, how he/she wants it to look. That technique most definitely has to be learned. The finished work appears as instinct and expression and cannot be taught. When a photographer shoots with film, he or she has to know what film to select, what lens to use, what exposure to set in order to record the scene. Sometimes he or she will know how to develop and print the picture. That technique must be learned. The resulting photograph is an expression that cannot be taught. When a photographer shoots digitally, he or she has to know all the technique that the camera allows, has to understand the processing of that image, the way it is delivered onto a medium of storage, and even sometimes editing that image and printing it. Techniques learned. Results expressions of self and ability and desire. All these techniques involve tools, from carpentry to cake-making. They are as easy or as difficult as you make them. They all involve effort in studying the technical aspect. Art hurts! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round
Hear, hear. Cameras lie, we make the lies. :-) Paul Delcour From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:25:52 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use - hard lenses and soft films or the other way round Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:26:11 -0400 You know, I don't think I am completely convinced that every picture has to be supersharp or even very sharp. Or that sharpness is the #1 indicator of a good picture. Or whatever. Re tripods. Marnie aka Doe Smacks to me of the concept that a photograph should be as close to realism as possible, because photography is all about realism and nothing else.
Re: Tripod use
I feel I'm being insulted: anal retentive: what does that mean? A touch of not enjoying this list is beginning to creep in. What the ### am I doing wrong? I do not disagree with what you're saying, just that I've encountered plenty of situations where tripod use is out of the question. Otherwise we'd all be tripoding along, wouldn't we. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:05:23 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:22:00 -0400 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour Subject: Re: Tripod use Try using a tripod in a crowded room where you're supposed to catch in a flash what's goin gon and the light's really low and you have no flash. You're overreacting I feel. When possible a tripod used of course improves, but when going candid it's out of the question. Besides, as with the discussion on lenses I wonder whether all this extra sharpness is needed of desired. Not always, so a tripod doesn't always improve the picture quaily by adding sharpness. If the image is stunning, nobody will question the technique. See, I knew some anal retentive would come up with an example of this. It doesn't matter, all you are doing is compromising your picture, and limiting what you can do with it. I have shot in precisely the situation you described. I chose to use a solid tripod. It was a professional decision. It allowed me enough personal space to work. Regarding your last statement, if the image is stunning, you used good technique, but more importantly, you also had a good concept. Nothing is worse than a sharp picture of a fuzzy concept. Except perhaps a just ever so slightly fuzzy picture, just enough to make it unviewable, of a sharp concept. William Robb
Re: Tripod use
William, you said very truly: There have been times when I have just sat and admired what was in front of me until the light was gone, rather than spoil the moment by pulling out a camera. It is amazing what we don't get to enjoy when we take a feeding frenzy approach to getting every great picture there is. Often, we don't get to enjoy what we went to photograph in the first place. That was exactly the reason why I didn't turn pro. I was just seeing photographs, nothing else. It drove me mad, not taking the moment to enjoy the moment. Still happy I made that decision. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:57:49 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:22:00 -0400 There have been times when I have just sat and admired what was in front of me until the light was gone, rather than spoil the moment by pulling out a camera. It is amazing what we don't get to enjoy when we take a feeding frenzy approach to getting every great picture there is. Often, we don't get to enjoy what we went to photograph in the first place.
Re: Tripod use
OK :-) I have a nice Manfrotto 058 tripod, the one where you can centrally control all three legs together or each leg seperately. Heavy, but very steady. Problem is, I had a photocamerahead and now I have a camcorder head. This one however doesn't take my K2 very well. I can only get it on horizontal,it won't tilt to vertical. And changing the head each time is too cumbersome. Now what? :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:23:10 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tripod use Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:24:03 -0400 - Original Message - From: Paul Delcour Subject: Re: Tripod use I feel I'm being insulted: anal retentive: what does that mean? A touch of not enjoying this list is beginning to creep in. What the ### am I doing wrong? I do not disagree with what you're saying, just that I've encountered plenty of situations where tripod use is out of the question. Otherwise we'd all be tripoding along, wouldn't we. Sorry, I should have dropped a smiley in there someplace. William Robb
Tripod use
Hi all, there is an unwritten rule saying the focallength in mm, ie 200, makes 1/200 as the minimum shutterspeed to be used handheld. But a 500mm at 1/500 may not be OK. Weight is a factor, as is position. If your hands are steady you can go to a lower speed. I used to use 1/8 with 28 or 24mm and got a fine result. I used the 85 with 1/60 recently and if the people on stage weren't moving too much the result was fine. :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Long zoom macro lens?
I take this Panagor extension is just a tube, ie no lenses? This would otherwise surely degrade the Pentax lens quality considerably. I must say I'm impressed with your macro photo's. I want one of these! Might even get rid of my 100/4 macro then as I find very little use for it. Might just as well put thise macrozoom converter on my 85/1.8. Where would I end up in terms of image ratio putting it on my 200/4? :-) Paul Delcour From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:15:30 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Long zoom macro lens? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:15:37 -0400 Panagor Macro Converter
Re: Long zoom macro lens?
What about the set of rings Pentax offered to get macro. What would be better: the Panagor macrozoomring or these Pentax rings? Seems ot me the zoom offers much mnore flexibility and less switching of lenses/rings. :-) Paul Delcour From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:15:30 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Long zoom macro lens? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:15:37 -0400 Hi! On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:09:38 +0530 Gaurav Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been reading the posts for around 5-6 months now. I have a Pentax ME Super with M50/1.7 (and a PZ-1 also which I don't use though). I now realize that I would like to have a longish zoom for taking portraits of family, street photography, birds etc. Also, I have never done macro but would want that feature as well. You already have 50/1.7 and ME Super. May I suggest slightly different approach? You could look for Panagor Macro Converter ($20 or so I think). It would turn your 50/1.7 into macro zoom lens with macro factor changing from 1:10 to 1:1 (lifesize). The weight of converter is no more than 200 gr. Adding to that weight of 50 mm lens, I think your weight requirement will be met. The results however are most probably better than any zoom lens with macro setting. Notice that you would be using a 50 mm prime as an optical basis. You can see few photos I made with this combo here: http://www.geocities.com/dunno57/macro-photos.htm. By the way all shots there were made handheld... As a starting kit for Macro Work I think this is very viable option. Good hunting. Boris
Re: Blame on me...
O well, findings bring tears of joy, and missed ones... :-) Paul Delcour From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:52:37 +0100 To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Blame on me... Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:15:24 -0400 On 15/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: for letting this one slip away: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=2951616103category=8307rd=1 Somebody better explain to Paul that it's okay to post tear-jerker links to eBay auctions that have ended so the PDML can spend a few minutes pulling their hair out, wailing, gnashing teeth. D'oh, I just did. I think we could be renamed the Pentax Discussion Masochistic List... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Rules or guidelines
As someone who is (or was) new to this list and who was shown some of the ropes of this list, I think it would be a fine idea if some guidelines were published to avoid having a repeat of what happened to me. No doubt during the years more unwritten guidelines have developed. Just as many lists have rules, why not have a set of guidelines. It won't harm anyone, but will guide members through to fine postings. Just a Pentax thought... :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Free film
It's for UK residents only... :-) Paul Delcour From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:37:52 +0100 To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free film Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:38:02 -0400 GC00094/entry.jhtml
Re: Rules or guidelines
Sure. I don't know what the equivalent is in the English language. There must be something. It's a general expression, not made up by me. :-) Paul Delcour From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:05:03 +0100 To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rules or guidelines Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:05:11 -0400 On 14/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Pentax users who really know the rim from the hat as we say in Holland. LOL. Love it. Can I use that? :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Medical set on ebay.de
Here's something nice and special: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2951294327category=12877 Pentax 100/2.8 macro with ringflashset. Don't know about the price might it must be a very nice set to work with. :-) Paul Delcour
15/3.5 and 300/2.8
Sorry to go on, but at the moment I love browsing for Pentax lenses. 15/3.5: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2949823209category=12877 What would y'all say was the main difference between the Pentax 15/3.5 and the Tokina 17/3.5? I'm tempted to go for the Pentax 15/3.5 as several people have stated what a wonderful lens it is and I do like my wide angle views. It starts at 299 euro's though. 300/2.8 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2949816937category=12877 28/2.8 shift (no pics though): http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2950622761category=12877 :-) Paul Delcour
Re: no moderation, no rules - pinhole - SMC 15/3.5 versus Tokina 17/3.5
It's all right. I checked for rules, but there appear to be none. It's just that the tone of the email telling me not to post ebay findings wasn't very pleasant. I have to say I've come across a lot of postings I didn't find very relevant at all or very OT. Click delete is the simple answer and this has kept many lists that I am a member of very happy indeed. Some lists though simply died as a result of flame wars... Just occured to me why I use Pentax. Simply because in the summer of 1978 the K2 was on sale and the photographer of the company where my father worked highly recommended it. I never felt any regret, though it seems Pentax isn't always as highly rated as some other brands. So, I'm not really a Pentax die-hard, but having got a lot of Pentax stuff and being really very happy with it, I see no reason to change to a different brand. In the end is the photos that count, nothing else. I once saw a documentary about a photographer who usde a really high tech pinhole camera. He exposed for about 16 minutes in the middle of Venice thereby eliminating all the people and producing stunning photos of Venice's monuments. Now there's a different approach. I have a documentary on tape about him. Forgot his name though. Anyone about who can favour the SMC 15/3.5 over the Tokina 17/35. RMC? :-) Paul Delcour From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:41:42 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medical set on ebay.de Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:42:04 -0400 Well, this is not a moderated list, Paul. However, there are somethings that have been agreed upon by the long time PDMLers. The thing about not posting leads to Ebay auctions other than your own has the most support of any of those unwritten rules. Even the ban on talking about guns (the most controversal subject to hit the list) has less support. No you are not going to get kicked off the list if you insist upon continuimg to post Ebay listings, but you are not going to be very well liked either. Don't feel like we are attacking you here, Paul, we are just trying to give you, and others, a heads up on this. Besides, anyone too dumb to be able to type in an Ebay search for pentax can't be helped anyway. ;) Paul Delcour wrote: Hi Bob, are you a moderator? I take your point, but saw many postings where people were asking for Pentax gear so I thought I'd point out a few. This is ebay Germany mind you, not USA. And as for prices going up, so what? It's only fair to share opportunities I feel. :-) Paul Delcour From: Bob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:01:19 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medical set on ebay.de Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:01:29 -0400 Paul, This is the 5th or 6th time you have mentioned eBay auctions to the list. Many people on this list follow eBay closely for bargains on Pentax gear. In the past, they have become irritated by the posting of live auctions to the list. If you are the seller, it is fine to mention your auction, but if not... Calling the attention of 400 Pentax enthusiasts to an interesting or cheap item is a certain way to get it's price bid-up and make bargains disappear. There is always somebody on the list who is willing and able to pay more than you. Three points on the medical set you highlighted. 1) This is sold by TEAM-PHOTO. There is a separate thread running on this list about how they are a problem to deal with. 2) They have been listing this set for the past 3 months. I have personally seen it close without any bidders at least 4 other times. 3) Their price is way too high. This is a Pentax ringlight flash and a Pentax F or FA100/2.8 Macro. US$550 would be a good retail price. US$350 would be closer to a bargain. Your enthuisam is great. You should spend some time at Boz's site as it is a virtual encyclopedia on Pentax K-Mount gear. Ask your questions about the gear, just don't bombard us with eBay links. Regards, Bob S. From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's something nice and special: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2951294327category=12877 Pentax 100/2.8 macro with ringflashset. Don't know about the price might it must be a very nice set to work with. :-) Paul Delcour _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es -- --graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com
Re: Medical set on ebay.de
Ay ay sir! :-) Paul Delcour From: Otis C. Wright, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:44:08 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medical set on ebay.de Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:44:12 -0400 It was a good bit of information all of this projectionist horse. notwithstanding. I appreciated it and offer a word of thanks from here in the bleachers. Go shoot some film. Otis Wright graywolf wrote: Well, this is not a moderated list, Paul. However, there are somethings that have been agreed upon by the long time PDMLers. The thing about not posting leads to Ebay auctions other than your own has the most support of any of those unwritten rules. Even the ban on talking about guns (the most controversal subject to hit the list) has less support. No you are not going to get kicked off the list if you insist upon continuimg to post Ebay listings, but you are not going to be very well liked either. Don't feel like we are attacking you here, Paul, we are just trying to give you, and others, a heads up on this. Besides, anyone too dumb to be able to type in an Ebay search for pentax can't be helped anyway. ;) Paul Delcour wrote: Hi Bob, are you a moderator? I take your point, but saw many postings where people were asking for Pentax gear so I thought I'd point out a few. This is ebay Germany mind you, not USA. And as for prices going up, so what? It's only fair to share opportunities I feel. :-) Paul Delcour From: Bob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:01:19 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medical set on ebay.de Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:01:29 -0400 Paul, This is the 5th or 6th time you have mentioned eBay auctions to the list. Many people on this list follow eBay closely for bargains on Pentax gear. In the past, they have become irritated by the posting of live auctions to the list. If you are the seller, it is fine to mention your auction, but if not... Calling the attention of 400 Pentax enthusiasts to an interesting or cheap item is a certain way to get it's price bid-up and make bargains disappear. There is always somebody on the list who is willing and able to pay more than you. Three points on the medical set you highlighted. 1) This is sold by TEAM-PHOTO. There is a separate thread running on this list about how they are a problem to deal with. 2) They have been listing this set for the past 3 months. I have personally seen it close without any bidders at least 4 other times. 3) Their price is way too high. This is a Pentax ringlight flash and a Pentax F or FA100/2.8 Macro. US$550 would be a good retail price. US$350 would be closer to a bargain. Your enthuisam is great. You should spend some time at Boz's site as it is a virtual encyclopedia on Pentax K-Mount gear. Ask your questions about the gear, just don't bombard us with eBay links. Regards, Bob S. From: Paul Delcour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's something nice and special: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2951294327category=1287 7 Pentax 100/2.8 macro with ringflashset. Don't know about the price might it must be a very nice set to work with. :-) Paul Delcour _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
Digital versus film
This is interesting. What strikes me is the absolute smoothness of the digital images and the very very grainy film ones. If all this is correct I want the *ist! http://www.mindspring.com/~focalfire/DigitalvsFilm.html http://www.tawbaware.com/film_digital.htm :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Digital versus film
Ah! I thought TV was... Very nice photo's TV, just the way I like 'm. :-) Paul Delcour From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:53:48 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Digital versus film Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:50:59 -0400 -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am getting real tired of digital vs. film arguments by people who have no idea what they are comparing. Digital has reached the point where it is professionally acceptable (ask TV if his customers have any complaints). When I show them stuff side by side they prefer digital 95% of the time. tv
Re: Digital versus film
TV, just for the record: why do people prefer digital 95% of the time? Any striking reason? :-) Paul Delcour From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:53:48 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Digital versus film Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:50:59 -0400 -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am getting real tired of digital vs. film arguments by people who have no idea what they are comparing. Digital has reached the point where it is professionally acceptable (ask TV if his customers have any complaints). When I show them stuff side by side they prefer digital 95% of the time. tv
Subject!
Hi all, could we all please check that the contents of our mails match the subject heading. Sorry to mingle in this, but it is annoying finding message after message not covering the subject heading. :-) Paul Delcour
Reaction by Paul Fox on the 135/2.5 mailthread
Hi all, this is from Paul Fox who had an excellent response. He may join us, but for the moment couldn't work out how to join. I showed him the way... :-) Paul Delcour From Paul Fox: I just found the thread on pentax discission forum but I don't know to reply.. Anyway : I have made my expperiences with many Pentax 135 lenses : The 1.8 A, K2.5, K-Takumar 2.5, M42-Takumar 2.5, A 2.8, M 3.5 First : The 1.8 is the best of them all but nearly noone will sell it (by good reason !). The second best is the K 2.5 (that U mentioned being on ebay) The 3.5 is not THAT good (in my opinion) - and that is supported by a big 135 lens test in german ColorFoto magazin in the early 80's. There were nearly all 135mm lenses... (and they support my opinion about the K 2.5 being one of the best 135 in the world and the 3.5 being good but not phantastic). The A 2.8 is really not a good lens ! The M42-Takumar 2.5 I have is an SMC one and really great - but not on same level as K 2.5 (maybe because it's older and the SMC has been improved then). I use it with adaptor ring on my Canon EOS that I'm using too. The K Takumar is really not bad ! It's made quite fine, has built-in lens hood (the K 2.5 and M42-Takumar or 1.8 don't have ! you have to screw a lens shade on), is lighter, you have to beware of flare - you should leave the sun behind you - not in front, otherwise... o.K. : I've been making indoor sport shots with it and portraits as well and this lens lens was very good in both cases. I just sold it because I could get the K 2.5 and that is really heavy ! - but for indoor sports a little bit better (even not THAT much !). 40 EUR is a fair price for the Takumar ! The K 2.5 mostly sells for 60-90 Euro on ebay. You have to decide whether this extra money is it worth for you ! One thing : If you want to take portraits the K 2.5 may even be too sharp and contrasty - every line in the face can be seen. There the K-Takkumar is even smoother - many people liked portraits with the K-Takumar even better ! Kind reagrds Paul Fox
Re: Pentax A28-135/4 --- SMC 135/2.5
Ah Fred, that reminds me that the min. focus disctance at 1.7m makes the lens partly useless. I often get much closer than that. Can any zoom handle that better? It's primes for now then. :-) Paul Delcour From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:36:48 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax A28-135/4 --- SMC 135/2.5 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:36:58 -0400 The SMC-A 28-135/4 did not last long in my outfit, because I had to draw the line at holding a heavy lens that had such severe rectilinear distortion. heavy frown It is true that the A 28-135/4's strongest point is certainly not its distortion (it does have a fair amount of pincushion distortion at the wide end of its zoom range, and it does show more distortion in this regard than its sibling, the A 35-105/3.5), but it ~IS~ a good lens overall (considering that it ~is~ a zoom and that it ~does~ cover a rather wide range). Yes, it's heavy, too, but I've gladly lugged one of these critters over many a mile - it's one of my favorite walking around lenses. Some quotes from a review of the lens from Amateur Photographer for August 6, 1983: 28-35mm must be the most versatile 'standard lens' around. Other examples of this focal length are on the way but Pentax were first on the scene. The lens incorporates most popular wideangle and telephoto lengths, plus everything in between. The f/4 aperture is modest but quite good considering the range. It's a fairly large lens and very heavy, but feels comparatively well balanced on camera. Focusing ring is large with a chunky grip, with minimum focusing distance of 1.7m. Behind this, the zooming ring has a short throw (like the focusing ring) with a click stop at the 28mm setting. Turning past this click stop engages the 'macro' mode, which enables focusing down to under 8in. Because the focal length at this setting is still wideangle, this isn't particularly close and well off true 1:1 macro. Focusing and zooming controls on our sample were not particularly smooth; the zooming ring was also a little stiff. Despite this, the short twist required to zoom or focus makes for fast handling. Overall, the lens is built to a high standard. Filter size of 77mm means more expensive filters - but this can't really be avoided if you want the range and decent working maximum aperture. Handling is fast and generally as good as a lens of much shorter range. It matches well with the Super A body. It's one thing to design a lens with such a long range, but quite another to build in good performance. here the Pentax comes as a pleasant surprise. Definition was very adequate throughout, with edge performance lagging just a little behind the centre. Softness was evident at full aperture and one stop down (f/5.6) at the edge, but otherwise the lens will cope with most assignments on any type of film. The 28-135mm lens is expensive but takes the place of three or four other lenses comfortably. Overall Performance - Very Good Central Definition - Very Good Edge Definition - Good Image Contrast - Very Good Optical balance - Good Best Central Definition - f/8, f/11, f/16 Best Overall Definition - f/11 Best Edge Definition - f/11 Fred
Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional
If people look at me and say, but you're a professional conductor, they mean that word implies I know it all, or at least a lot. I don't of course. The word just means I conduct for a living, no matter how good ar bad: that has nothing to do with it. Amateurs can be better at things than many a pro. However, the experience and routine of a pro nearly always outdo the amateur. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:44:58 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:45:18 -0400 - Original Message - From: Charlton Vaughan Subject: Pentax Users Gallery I'm new to the group and have a question. I noticed in the gallery this coming month's gallery theme is Professional. What is the criteria for Professional? Is this in regards to professional photography, photographs of a profession or speaks of a profession or what? Please give me a hint, thanks. Think about what the word professional means to you. Then try to capture it in a single frame. Good luck. I am really looking forward to seeing this gallery. William (blame this one on me) Robb
2000mm
There's one on ebay.de http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2950656543category=12877 Wow! :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional
Hilversum and surrounding areas, Netherlands. :-) Paul From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:06:34 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:06:53 -0400 Musical type conductor? If so, where. Bill -Original Message- From: Paul Delcour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional If people look at me and say, but you're a professional conductor, they mean that word implies I know it all, or at least a lot. I don't of course. The word just means I conduct for a living, no matter how good ar bad: that has nothing to do with it. Amateurs can be better at things than many a pro. However, the experience and routine of a pro nearly always outdo the amateur. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:44:58 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:45:18 -0400 - Original Message - From: Charlton Vaughan Subject: Pentax Users Gallery I'm new to the group and have a question. I noticed in the gallery this coming month's gallery theme is Professional. What is the criteria for Professional? Is this in regards to professional photography, photographs of a profession or speaks of a profession or what? Please give me a hint, thanks. Think about what the word professional means to you. Then try to capture it in a single frame. Good luck. I am really looking forward to seeing this gallery. William (blame this one on me) Robb
Re: Four lenses
Keith, I have the SMC 85/1.8 and absolutely love it. It may not be full portrait, but the 1.8 gives a lot of candid opportunities with little light. Great to observe people and snap. :-) Paul Delcour From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:44:05 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Four lenses Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:44:02 -0400 It occurs to me, I've never had an 80 or 85mm lens! I jump from 55mm to 105mm (beautiful little SMC Takumar f/2.8...) and up. I think I'll start reviewing the reports on which is recommended and go looking for one! Unless there are recommendations from the list... Thanks, Clive! keith whaley Clive evans wrote: Hi All In one of his books Galen Rowell said that 60% of his best images were made with either a 20mm or a 180mm. of the remaining 40%, 60% were with a 35mm or 85mm.[This is all pre-zoom] OK these are Nikon focal lenghts but its an interesting exercise..especialy considering his subject range. Conversely the classic Leica 4 is 21,35,50,90 Just my .2 euros worth. Clive Antibes France
Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional
You'be amazed at much electricity I conduct when conducting... :-) Paul Delcour From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:52:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:54:14 -0400 Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Musical type conductor? If so, where. And if *not* a musical type conductor, what type??? (I've never met a professional electrical conductor!) -Original Message- From: Paul Delcour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional If people look at me and say, but you're a professional conductor, they mean that word implies I know it all, or at least a lot. I don't of course. The word just means I conduct for a living, no matter how good ar bad: that has nothing to do with it. Amateurs can be better at things than many a pro. However, the experience and routine of a pro nearly always outdo the amateur. :-) Paul Delcour From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:44:58 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Users Gallery Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:45:18 -0400 - Original Message - From: Charlton Vaughan Subject: Pentax Users Gallery I'm new to the group and have a question. I noticed in the gallery this coming month's gallery theme is Professional. What is the criteria for Professional? Is this in regards to professional photography, photographs of a profession or speaks of a profession or what? Please give me a hint, thanks. Think about what the word professional means to you. Then try to capture it in a single frame. Good luck. I am really looking forward to seeing this gallery. William (blame this one on me) Robb -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax Users Gallery - theme: professional
I'd love to have railroad as a theme being a mad train lover myself, though, whenever I take pictures of trains myself I am never happy with the result. Somnehow I do not seem to have the feel for how to put them in the frame properly. O well, I'll just enjoy the real thing. :-) Paul Delcour
Re: Pentax A28-135/4 --- SMC 135/2.5
I'll go for the K 135/2.5 since the F and FA are probably more expensive. I may decide to get the Takumar as well as some of the pictures I have seen taken with it look very nice indeed. Then I'll choose. Got the fisheye 17/4 for 230 euro's. Probably a bit too much, but I really wanted one. :-) Paul Delcour From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:29:43 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax A28-135/4 --- SMC 135/2.5 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:29:53 -0400 Sorry to disapoint you, the K 135/2.5 you narrowed your search to is limited to 1.5 m (enough for portraits if you ask me, but tastes may vary). To get closer than that you'll have to look at FA 135/2.8. Or the F135/2.8, but I recommend the FA which has better mechanical design. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Subject! - sympathy
My commiserations :-) Paul Delcour From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:51:13 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Subject! Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:51:27 -0400 What a lousy day. First thing the cat died. Then the car wouldn't start. how the hell can a guy go on? Paul Delcour wrote: Hi all, could we all please check that the contents of our mails match the subject heading. Sorry to mingle in this, but it is annoying finding message after message not covering the subject heading. :-) Paul Delcour
Pentax A28-135/4 --- SMC 135/2.5
Hi all, you may think I'm trying to collect Pentax lenses... I'm still considering to get a good zoom for parties, weddings, any situation where switching primes can be tedious and makeing me miss shots. There's an A28-135/4 on a secondhand site for sale at about 200$. From what I've read on some Pentax lens review sites it is not a bad lens. Someone advised to look at a Tamron 24-135, said to be a great lens. How do these two compare? There are so many zooms about. I feel my decision for the 135/2.5 has to be the SMC. In the end I think I'll appreciate the quality. The Takumar is probably very nice, but softer which for some subject such as portraits might be very nice. But I like good sharp contyrasty picture. Does this help in indicating which zoom would be good? It seems that using studioflash with zooms that have changing aperture (ie 3.5-4.5) is a pain, since you never know which aperture is actually used. So if the 28-135/4 has a constant aperture, that looks good. Many thanka to all who responded to my questions. Hope to be able return something useful soon! :-) Paul Delcour
