Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-24 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 11/24/2004 6:44:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was something to the effect that if someone (i.e.another believer) asked a Baha'i to do a service for the cause if is as ifBaha'u'llah (or maybe it was 'Abdul-Baha) Himself asked them to do it.

Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 11/21/2004 2:26:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a line somewhere in Aqdas or elsewhere that says after the Recognition one should serve those that believe? Not to my knowledge. Obedience to the Laws comes after recognition, not obedience to

Re: Reading Paul through the eyes of Augustine and Luther

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 11/20/2004 3:54:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please explain, in layman's terms, what it means to read Paul through the eyes of Augustine and Luther? Augustine and Luther were very fixated with the issue of their personal sinfullness. This

Re: The Hereafter Business : Modern Day Witchcraft or Everlasting Life?

2004-11-20 Thread Smaneck
Each claim that there is a personal God, who created the universe and man, and if man participates in the sacraments of their religion, he will achieve everlasting life. Dear Steve, I'm afraid this person is poorly informed as to the tenets of these religions. Only Christianity has sacraments.

Re: Cohabitation question

2004-10-30 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 10/30/2004 10:54:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a cousin who is at a university, in a co-ed dorm situation (men and women on the same floor); she and her current roommate would like to move out of their dorm and into an apartment with a male

Re: Grounds for divorce

2004-09-22 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 9/22/04 4:18:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one should not feel antipathy towards another, however, why should antipathy be valid grounds for divorce? Dear David, Clearly, you have never been married. ;-} But the word here is 'aversion' as I

Re: I'm Back!

2004-09-19 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 9/19/2004 1:41:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I just wanted to try and see if my email gets posted and also say hello again. Welcome back, Jilla! __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Peace breaks out

2004-08-29 Thread Smaneck
Dear friends, You might find this URL interesting: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=515u=/ap/20040829/ap_on_re_af/war_and_peace_1printer=1 warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: Reflections re:hyperbole

2004-08-20 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 8/20/2004 9:00:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you give me a source for the Universal House of Justice comment on "hyperbole" ? "we must accept that they are realities that cannot be defined in a rigourous manner, as one would attempt to define the

Re: Reflection

2004-08-17 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 8/17/2004 5:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the contrary, they have always excelled all other peoples in endowments conferred by birth. Dear Hasan, I'd call it hyperbole. warmest, Susan __ You

Re: Scholarship and Learning in a Far-from-Equilibrium State

2004-07-20 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 7/20/2004 7:27:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can't find Steven's version of "Abdu'l-Baha's reasons anywhere. Of course they may be his understanding of 'Abdu'l-Baha's comments, but he actually attributed them to the Master. Dear David, The nice

Re: Freedom of religion

2004-06-15 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 6/15/2004 3:31:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'If thy Lord had willed, whoever is in the earth would have believed, all of them, all together. Wouldst thou then constrain the people until they are believers?' (Sura 10:99) I am wondering what the

Re: Rev. 11:3

2004-06-11 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 6/11/2004 6:00:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it escapes this mind how one whose station is as great as that of Quddus could think of himself as a Manifestation. 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian, for example, were quick to discount being thought of as a

Re: People of capacity

2004-06-01 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 6/1/2004 11:12:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed. I should have written "a" reason; tho' when I first heard this story, it was given as "the" reason. Dear Don, I think that is the way Taherzadeh depicts it as he wants to focus on Sohrab Ahmad

Re: Tutor Pole

2004-05-24 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/24/2004 10:45:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clarification, please, from some of you knowledgeable historians.I read Tutor Pole's story. I have also seen several letter from the Guardian to, I think, "W. T. Pole". Are these the same people. If I

Re: Afterlife

2004-05-23 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/23/2004 11:13:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of the Baha'i Writings suggest that the afterlife might be limited to believers? Dear Dean, There are passages which could conceivably be interpreted that way, but I don't. Check out what

Re: Afterlife

2004-05-23 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/23/2004 11:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are passages which could conceivably be interpreted that way, but I don't. Check out what Gleanings has to say. Do you mean you don't interpret them that way? No, I don't interpret those passages

Re: what was on the Bab's mind

2004-05-12 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/12/2004 3:58:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: actually i think we understnad pretty well what was on the Bab's mind, and it is found in the Molsem denial. He told some people who wanted to execute Him that He had a conversation to finish, they said, no.

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-12 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/12/2004 7:41:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question springs to mind on this topic: why did the miracle have to happen in the first place? If miracles are no proof of Prophethood, what was the point of it all? Dear David, We don't even

Re: Martyrdom of the Bab

2004-05-11 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/11/2004 8:52:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never have considered teleportation to be an issue. The simple shock of facing death, hearing the crash of the muskets and suddenly dropping to the ground as the rope was cut would have been incapacitating

Re: KJV quotes

2004-05-10 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/10/2004 8:39:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember some time ago saying something about 'Abdu'l-Baha using the KJV, and then being corrected by someone. But now that I think about that, this leads me to ask: why is the KJV quoted extensively

Re: Letters of the Living

2004-04-05 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 4/5/2004 8:03:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there were some theological reasons, then that needs to be demonstrated. So far, I don't know of any such reason. What aspect of the Dawn-breakers is theological to you? It simply portrays the Babi Faith as

Re: Letters of the Living

2004-04-05 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:16:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What were the Guardian's exact words regarding his infallibility? I thought he claimed to be infallible only in matters related to the Faith. To me, this would include the Faith's history. He claimed to be

Re: Letters of the Living

2004-04-05 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 4/5/2004 11:32:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From reading this quote my understanding is that Shoghi Effendi can be infallible in regards to history providing he's basing what he says on the revealed word. Dear Dean, Perhaps, but I'm not sure how

Re: Letters of the Living

2004-04-04 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 4/4/2004 2:43:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am under the impression that Nabil is to be given special consideration as a source Dear Dean, Not so much as a 'source' but as a sacred narrative. At least that is the way I look at it. warmest,

Re: Holy Quran 52:4

2004-03-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 3/21/2004 8:44:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to the Bab's use of the term - I understand this to be word play, not interpretation. Dear Don, And what do you do about Ali's use of the term? warmest, Susan

Re: Dissertations / Denis MacEoin.

2004-03-17 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 3/17/2004 7:52:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, for a short period recently, he had a highly critical website which I happened to come across while looking for Douglas Martin's thesis. I believe that in scanning Juan's material I saw that exact

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