re: Abdu'l-Baha in Abu-Sinan - 3

2005-02-10 Thread Brent Poirier
I am loving this. For one thing, every time I read about the Druze I read that their beliefs are unknown and undiscoverable; so it is very helpful to read this summary. Secondly, up until Dr. Younis Khan's Memoirs were recently published, the only information we had in English about the

Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Gilberto, One of the difficulties encountered when Baha'is give answers off the top of their head about the Baha'i Faith is that it is generally an abbreviated explanation. The common denominator here, is the Sacred texts of the Baha'i Faith and the source for the most thorough

RE: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread David Lambert
Sandra wrote: With regard to obedience/disobedience to governments... there is a qualifier that seems to be missing from the discussion. That word is just. Obedience to JUST governments. *** This highlights the issue which has been in many ways most problematic since becoming a Baha'i.

RE: Book Announcement: Fluss der Wahreit (River of Life) and Globalizatiuon in the Wings

2005-02-10 Thread Ian Kluge
No big deal but Fluss der Wahrheit is River of Truth in German not River of Life. The latter would be Fluss des Lebens. Best wishes, Ian Kluge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Cooney Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:15 AM To:

Abdu'l-Baha in Abu-Sinan - 4

2005-02-10 Thread Ahang Rabbani
Baha’is in Abu-Sinan As noted earlier, by September 1914, `Abdu’l-Baha sent all Baha’is to Abu-Sinan and himself remained in commute between `Akka-Haifa and that village. During this time, he closed the door of association to all and would neither meet with anyone, nor receive any

Abdu'l-Baha in Abu-Sinan - 5

2005-02-10 Thread Ahang Rabbani
2 November 1914 In the morning a group of Druze and their chiefs attained the presence of `Abdu’l-Baha. Shaykh Salih expressed his fear of the war, to which `Abdu’l-Baha responded: You have not experienced genuine difficult times, for if you had, such occurrences would not perturb you. One

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:15:08 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto, One of the difficulties encountered when Baha'is give answers off the top of their head about the Baha'i Faith is that it is generally an abbreviated explanation. Thanks I try to appreciate

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:43:31 -0800, David Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandra wrote: With regard to obedience/disobedience to governments... there is a qualifier that seems to be missing from the discussion. That word is just. Obedience to JUST governments. This highlights the

RE: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread David Lambert
Gilberto wrote: It still seems really odd to think that even when being civil and non-violent, that political behavior might still have other constraints put on it. As I understand the Bahá'í teachings, politics are considered divisive and as such to be avoided. That does not mean one cannot

Abdu'l-Baha in Abu-Sinan - 6

2005-02-10 Thread Ahang Rabbani
19-20 November 1914 It was during this time that Prince Shaykhu’r-Ra’is arrived in the Holy Land and the Birth of the Bab was observed on 19 November at Bahji. With utmost joy and excitement, all the Baha’is residing in Abu-Sinan walked to Bahji where a feast was given by Aqa Mirza

Abdu'l-Baha in Abu-Sinan - 7

2005-02-10 Thread Ahang Rabbani
30 November 1914 It was a clear, bright day with a calm sea. From afar, the Zeeb underwater rifts, which were typically covered by the waves, were now seen, and the people of `Akka mistook them for armored warships. Therefore the entire city of `Akka fled in fear, leaving behind only a

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Rich Ater
With regard to obedience/disobedience to governments... there is a "qualifier" that seems to be missing from the discussion. That word is "just". Obedience to JUST governments. Hi everyone, Just wading in briefly. If I remember right, Shoghi Effendi defined a just

Re: Past Revelations

2005-02-10 Thread Rich Ater
Susan WOOF! Color me embarrassed. Of course you're right and I plea exhaustion when I wrote that. I remember reading of a North African Scholar who declared that the tales of the Mahdi were folktales and I, somehow, transposed this onto Ibn Khaldun. Nonetheless it is sloppy scholarship and I

RE: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Ian Kluge
With regard to obedience/disobedience to governments... thereis a qualifier that seems to be missing from the discussion.That word is just. Obedience to JUST governments. Dear Rich, You write: Just wading in briefly. If I remember right, Shoghi Effendi defined a just government

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Don Calkins
At 12:15 -0900 2/10/05, Sandra Chamberlain wrote: Dear Gilberto, One of the difficulties encountered when Baha'is give answers off the top of their head about the Baha'i Faith is that it is generally an abbreviated explanation. The common denominator here, is the Sacred texts of the Baha'i

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread louise mchenry
First of all, the Bahai faith puts a lot of emphasis on the spiritual approach. Bahai communities and individual Bahais do not always get that that the world is to be transformed by spiritual means. Simply put, when a Bahai fails to exemplify the Bahai teachings to some extend, the teachings

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-10 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/9/2005 10:14:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, and neither was the Allied effort against the Nazis, but that wasstill praised. It's not that the Bahai faith has a problem withviolence (and by that, I just mean that like many religions, its

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/10/2005 5:33:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that kind of sad? You see society crashing down and basicallyyou just sit out until something new comes along? We're promised that as the old order disintegrates, the new order is built up. In other

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:19:30 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2005 5:33:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that kind of sad? You see society crashing down and basically you just sit out until something new comes along?

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-10 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:55:05 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/9/2005 10:14:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, and neither was the Allied effort against the Nazis, but that was still praised. It's not that the Bahai faith has

Re: Past Revelations

2005-02-10 Thread Gilberto Simpson
We're Cool. Apology accepted. -Gilberto On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:30:15 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan WOOF! Color me embarrassed. Of course you're right and I plea exhaustion when I wrote that. I remember reading of a North African Scholar who declared that the tales of