[digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Yes, I received a private email from the individual that is preparing the IED's. With reference to ALE soundings, he cites .. ) 1 illegal 1-way transmissions; 2) illegal automatic beaconing below 28.200 MHz, and; 3) illegal automatic control of a digital station. as issues he asked the

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Rick
I must have missed something but what are IED's? The only acronym that I have heard are improvised explosive device and clearly that would be an odd reference in this case. Even though there are those who strongly oppose clarity on what really is appropriate and inappropriate behavior with

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Andy, That's just nonsense. /s/ Steve, N2CKH At 09:03 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote: Yes, I received a private email from the individual that is preparing the IED's. With reference to ALE soundings, he cites .. ) 1 illegal 1-way transmissions; 2) illegal automatic beaconing below 28.200

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
At 09:57 AM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote: My preference would have been for those who want to operate these kinds of modes to request an interpretation and if the finding was not to their satisfaction, to petition the FCC for a rule change. They did not do this and now some of us have had to take action

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
I certainly agree. Now, given the FCC's position, why do we amateurs need all the activist lawyers and lawyer-wannabes from our ranks sending queries to the FCC concerning practices by other control operators? We are all responsible for our own operations. Right? Chuck AA5J At 10:14 AM

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
At 10:14 AM 1/13/2008, kh6ty wrote: PropNet station, and that station *consistently*, and repetitively, interferes with activity on that frequency, the presumption has to be that the PropNet operator is either willfully transmitting on top of existing activity, or lying about being at the control

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Rick
All I can say is that your comment is extremely odd, Chuck, and are not welcome by thinking hams and reasonable people. Some one has to take action or nothing will change and we will continue to have absurd arguments over each person's individual interpretation. Not a good situation. When you

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread kh6ty
You obviously do not understand reproprocity principle and how it applies to radio, Chuck, and in most cases the PropNet station is running less power than others, or what is the point of using it to determining propagation? Beacon stations also tend to run lower power for the same reason, so

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
Yes. Thank you for your very welcome explanation. I guess someone has to stir the pot, but I was having fun in my ignorance and bliss. I don't really want anyone to clarify that I can not do something that I have been doing, just because someone else did not understand the rules. The people

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
At 01:54 PM 1/13/2008, kh6ty wrote: You obviously do not understand reproprocity principle and how it applies to radio, Chuck, and in most cases the PropNet station is running less power than others, or what is the point of using it to determining propagation? Beacon stations also tend to run

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Rick
Chuck, Enough of your nonsense! Those of us who want integrity in the amateur bands are doing our best. You clearly have guilt in what you are doing and you fear that it will be an illegal activity. Your activities may be interpreted as perfectly legal ... but they may not. You will just have

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
At 04:36 PM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote: Chuck, Enough of your nonsense! Those of us who want integrity in the amateur bands are doing our best. You clearly have guilt in what you are doing and you fear that it will be an illegal activity. Your activities may be interpreted as perfectly legal ... but

Re: [digitalradio] Is Propnet/HF APRS legal in USA ? (was : Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink

2008-01-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
Maybe it is nonsense. It is certainly not worth any more effort on my part. I hope you and Bonnie and the Winlink folks can one day see eye-to-eye. I think all three groups are cliques and all are trying to have it their way. Adios. At 04:36 PM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote: Chuck, Enough of your