Re: [Gendergap] "WikiTribune" and gender gap

2017-06-01 Thread Carol Moore dc
fessional than guys who fly through on the fact they're good old boys. -Original Message- From: Gendergap [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Carol Moore dc Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2017 6:05 PM To: Wikimedia Gender Gap email list Subject: [Gendergap] "Wi

Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap

2017-05-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
Given Mother's Day coming up, note that Julia Ward Howe's "Mother's Day Proclamation" poem does have an article. So there is some good news! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day_Proclamation ___ Gendergap mailing list

[Gendergap] "WikiTribune" and gender gap

2017-05-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
Just found out about this. I wonder if they'll break down and hire at least 1/2 professional FEMALE journalists. I hope that the most biased Wikipedia male trolls will not be among the "community members". New project for whatever Gender Gap projects in Wikimedia are most effective.

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

2017-02-17 Thread Carol Moore dc
Having had a thousand nasty and threatening messages from someone who used about 40 different emails, I still wouldn't like moderation. Is there a way to retroactively check emails? I guess the headers are it, and I always sent those (they were all yahoo mail). On 2/12/2017 2:25 PM, Risker

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

2017-02-17 Thread Carol Moore dc
that should be handled by the respective platforms themselves. If someone is harassing someone off-wiki, we shouldn't play detective when we can just share the information we have (in accordance with the privacy policy) and let other places perform their own investigations. On Feb 9, 2017 12:43 PM, "

[Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls

2017-02-07 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/craigslist-founder-donates-500k-to-curb-wikipedia-trolls-1.3259781 Wow! When I think of the 2 plus hrs a week x 385 odd weeks of hours I spent dealing with guys who just didn't like the idea that a "female" dared to edit - or worse, change their edit - I still

Re: [Gendergap] Good news from EN Wikipedia

2017-01-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
An interesting related question is: How many admins are approved whose sex is totally unknown?? Similarly desysopped On 1/11/2017 1:55 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Ealdgyth has just set a new record for an unopposed request for adminship. She had 250 supports and no opposes, breaking Sarah

Re: [Gendergap] In memory of User:Danveg

2017-01-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/9/2017 2:32 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen wrote: Thanks! I've been on a roll creating articles from the Women in Red list, but have found that some on the list are not actually women (cis or trans), but non-binary or trans men. That's a separate topic for discussion, but others are welcome to weigh

Re: [Gendergap] They want to delete First Ladies now?

2017-01-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
Way back when there was a study, probably up on the Wikimedia gender gap page, indicating it was a bigger problem on sex and gender related articles. On 1/6/2017 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cardy wrote: Deletionism is a longstanding problem on Wikipedia, I don't know if there is a gender skew to the

Re: [Gendergap] They want to delete First Ladies now?

2017-01-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
These guys don't even bother to do a little info search to see if the person might have lots of interesting RS info about them. On 1/6/2017 9:52 AM, Johanna-Hypatia Cybeleia wrote: It was a bit of a shock to see on Nell Arthur 's page an imminent

[Gendergap] Need "Toxic masculinity" article

2016-11-01 Thread Carol Moore dc
It's turned into a real thing with lots of good refs. There are lots of RS articles. And search Duke Universities program and you'll find lots more. In between all the men's rights articles denouncing such a program. Obviously it will take a brave soul to do it. And lots of research to

Re: [Gendergap] Needed fixes on women-related issues

2016-10-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
OK, being off wikipedia, I'm getting sloppy... here's a relevant link to this discussion, so I don't get spanked... On 10/31/2016 11:05 AM, Carol Moore dc wrote: (And let's not start on the double standards vs. Clinton. I just found out 60 US employees were killed in attacks on US Embassies

[Gendergap] Needed fixes on women-related issues

2016-10-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
I'm obviously not pro-clinton but it does annoy me to see that in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy there is no reference for the fact that Bush admin. deleted 22 million emails on a private server. (End of first paragraph and other details doubtless

Re: [Gendergap] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Wikipedia

2016-10-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
ha ha... just found out we can see at least beginning of Britannica entries including this one... Wonder if it has a section on sexism (aka "gender gap" because who wants to go around saying "sex gap"? :-) ___ Gendergap mailing list

Re: [Gendergap] DARVO and harassment tactics

2016-07-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
Where's the thumbs up button? :-) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Ruth Barrett bio

2016-06-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
... On 6/26/2016 9:45 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: The article as written contains no assertions, plausible or otherwise, of notability. It reeks with redlinks and self-published "sources". On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net <mailto:carolmoo

[Gendergap] Ruth Barrett bio

2016-06-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
It looks like her bio is being challenged just as the book she edited is starting to get reliable source attention. In case anyone wants to work on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Barrett The book is "Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics’, War On Woman, the

[Gendergap] Harvard Business School: "Why Do So Few Women Edit Wikipedia?"

2016-06-08 Thread Carol Moore dc
Results not very surprising... Why Do So Few Women Edit Wikipedia? https://hbr.org/2016/06/why-do-so-few-women-edit-wikipedia review at: http://www.attn.com/stories/8908/study-shows-gender-gap-on-wikipedia ___ Gendergap mailing list

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

2016-05-13 Thread Carol Moore dc
I'd largely agree, but there are some men who you really can't tell if they are clueless to their bad behavior (which some are) or just pretending to be (which others are), even when you are with them in person. On 5/12/2016 9:51 PM, JJ Marr wrote: We shouldn't conflate "creepy" and

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

2016-05-12 Thread Carol Moore dc
, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net <mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> wrote: dare i say it... so one can see why a lot of women (and their male relatives) are nervous about any guy who SAYS he's really a woman getting into the bathrooms, fitting rooms

Re: [Gendergap] Study: men who receive harassment training “significantly less likely” to recognize harassment

2016-05-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 5/5/2016 2:56 PM, danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Anecdotally, some people actually have the idea that sexual harassment is something that is only legally actionable when men do it to women (which further adds heteronormativity as an implicit bias). Yet as of 2013 17.6% of the

Re: [Gendergap] Cross-dressing and masculinity

2016-05-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
The real problem is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role#Gender_stereotypes Of course "gender" stereotype is just a confusing word for sex stereotype. (After all, would we want to call this the "sex gap" group??) I mean should a person who wants NO stereotype be forced to choose from

[Gendergap] Pushing back against sexism, this is a new era for women online

2016-05-01 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/30/digital-and-visible-this-is-a-new-era-for-women-online/ One mention of Wikipedia. But overall a positive article. Hope she's not being too optimistic. Using twitter more, I've found replying to guys who insult you in a human and humorous way, with just

[Gendergap] Partisan AfD on notable woman

2016-04-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kate_Smurthwaite It's probably going to survive unless a lot of trolls join in, but FYI. Here's what was recently done to her:

Re: [Gendergap] Systematic tagging for deletion of articles created at Art And Feminism editathon

2016-03-12 Thread Carol Moore dc
Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a thon. (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM,

Re: [Gendergap] Intnl Womens Days articles about sexism in Wikipedia

2016-03-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
tarf wrote: Wikimedia blog: "The new alchemy: turning online harassment into Wikipedia articles on women scientists" by Ed Erhart http://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/03/08/alchemy-turning-harassment-into-women-scientists/ On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizo

[Gendergap] Intnl Womens Days articles about sexism in Wikipedia

2016-03-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-07/women-erased-from-history-on-wikipedia/7225556 http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_29600263/cu-boulder-students-combat-wikipedia-sexism-edit-thon This must have been widely reprinted cause I got several different versions of it in my google alert for

Re: [Gendergap] 2 Rachel Feinsteins confused

2016-03-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
er at the top. For the naming guideline see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28people%29#Disambiguating On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net <mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> wrote: THANKS!! CM On 3/3/2016 8:56 PM, Robe

Re: [Gendergap] 2 Rachel Feinsteins confused

2016-03-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
THANKS!! CM On 3/3/2016 8:56 PM, Robert Fernandez wrote: I think I fixed most of the links. On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: Oh, duh, FYI, I'm banned from editing or I'd do it myself. If anyone needs a quicky project to end con

Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 62, Issue 1

2016-03-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
Putting it in The Google I got this mirror site. I guess the actual list is not searchable. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.gendergap/6229 On 3/2/2016 4:58 PM, Natacha Rault wrote: I encourage people to monitor discussions on meta about the qualifications for a ED, and comment

Re: [Gendergap] 2 Rachel Feinsteins confused

2016-03-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
Oh, duh, FYI, I'm banned from editing or I'd do it myself. If anyone needs a quicky project to end confusion on wikipedia on which woman is which. Thus the "thanks" :-) CM On 3/3/2016 9:54 AM, Carol Moore dc wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Rachel

[Gendergap] 2 Rachel Feinsteins confused

2016-03-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Rachel_Feinstein Several people have linked comedy-related articles to the sculptor/fashionista Rachel Feinstein article. I created it at a edit-a-thon a few years back. The correct article link is:

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

2016-02-21 Thread Carol Moore dc
I agree that is innocent enough. Both men and women refer to cute asses, and not just on humans! :-) On 2/21/2016 7:58 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Compare the reaction that Keilana's Op-ed got with the

[Gendergap] Latest WMF brouhahas relevant to gender gap??

2016-01-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
Wondering if there is any particular relevance to the gender gap issue in the removal of one board member and protests against the new one? Or just a general "editor trust" issue, which makes many editors dis-trust any "close the gap" programs/initiatives by WMF?? (Or at least gives them an

[Gendergap] Telegraph: happy birthday sexist wikipedia

2016-01-15 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/happy-birthday-sexist-wikipedia-why-do-men-still-control-our-his/ Here we go again... ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,

[Gendergap] Men’s rights activists think a “hateful” feminist conspiracy is ruining Wikipedia

2015-12-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
I don't remember seeing this one posted before and it's not in my saved emails. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/04/mens-rights-activists-think-a-hateful-feminist-conspiracy-is-ruining-wikipedia/ Funny to find this on first anniversary of day I was banned. Gee,

Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"

2015-10-22 Thread Carol Moore dc
I confess I had too much fun sparring with them yesterday, but had enough and don't feel like responding to last half dozen responses to myself, or those to lots of others who were sympathetic to the views of so many women on Wikipedia. The "arguments" are so much like the harassment we got

Re: [Gendergap] What is proscription vs. Foundation hiring mediators etc.... Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile toWomen"

2015-10-22 Thread Carol Moore dc
It seems like every time I ask this question I get vague answers regarding "legal issues" "liability" "can't determine content" "community backlash" etc. Yet under https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use it looks like there is more than enough room for the Foundation to propose and

Re: [Gendergap] What is proscription vs. Foundation hiring mediators etc.... Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile toWomen"

2015-10-22 Thread Carol Moore dc
billionaires fed up with certain vicious POV pushing on Wikipedia who might be talked into it by the right entrepreneurs. Too bad I clam up when rich people are in the vicinity... Must overcome that hangup!! ;-) CM On 22 October 2015 at 19:08, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.

[Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"

2015-10-21 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/ Goes into lots of details... ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,

Re: [Gendergap] Video Q discussing Arbcom and gender/orientation harassment cases

2015-10-20 Thread Carol Moore dc
What we really need is trained mediators who have admin powers to sanction those who refuse to engage in mediation or who refuse to change their wicked ways. And since there job is enhancing civility on Wikipedia, which is one of the goals of the foundation, maybe foundation could figure out

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder on Moderation...Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/6/2015 4:16 AM, Hannah Penntreth wrote: I didn't respond because responding to misogyny like "Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work" is pointless. Don't wrestle the pig, you just get muddy and the pig likes it. Ogress Unfortunately, I was more interested in

Re: [Gendergap] address the source of anger

2015-10-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/6/2015 9:32 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: carol rightly pointed out to not mix mail threads, so let me create a dedicated thread. do you think there is a possibility to address the source of anger, and dealing with anger in a better way we do now? see for some initial reasoning below. my

Re: [Gendergap] Meeting at the Wikiconference?

2015-10-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
Because of a vacation and wedding I'll only be able to make Sunday, assuming not too tired. Plus the schedule pretty empty that day except for art and feminism. Thought there ARE more spaces for meetings then and maybe Sunday AM in one of the "Unconference sessions" or other open spaces would

Re: [Gendergap] Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/4/2015 5:59 AM, Robert Williams wrote: Well, what I'd like to say is that some of these arguments do make sense. While men shouldn't get over-sensitive over perceived "harassment" of them, neither should women just whine about harassment.--Eat me, I'm an azuki The problem is is the

Re: [Gendergap] Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/5/2015 11:56 PM, Risker wrote: On 5 October 2015 at 23:30, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net <mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/5/2015 10:11 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: what do you think about anger management in this context, what i su

Re: [Gendergap] Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
The relevance is that some wikipedia editors would like to shut us all up about harassment and civility and have made or will increase making these kinds of arguments... Already made: "I'm a serious contributor with 100 contributions a day and I shouldn't have to put up with petty nonsense

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-29 Thread Carol Moore dc
Once again this is an area which needs research and numbers, starting with looking at all the complaints and even mentions of harassment at WP:ANI and WP:Arbitration for say the last 5 years. If I wasn't busy catching up on my own projects, I'd help any of the researchers who have come by

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-27 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 9/27/2015 1:49 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: anne, thank you so much, for the first time i think i understand the problem. "rot in hell" is a very good example of anger. anger is something common on wikipedia, anger management is something surprisingly ignored. Just in case people don't

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
I'll be happy to see a lot of the information and reasoning explained in the harassment document, including first encouraging people to contact an administrator. (Identifying administrators who are experienced in the topic would help too.) Reasons one might not immediately contact police -

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
shortcuts is [[WP:SUICIDE]]. I have removed that as a "Main article" because it's not really about harassment. Risker/Anne On 26 September 2015 at 11:52, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com <mailto:neot...@gmail.com>> wrote: @Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide th

[Gendergap] "Harvard students edit Wikipedia in effort to ‘dismantle the patriarchy’ "

2015-09-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24150/ "Meanwhile, these college feminist Wikipedia attacks have become something of a regular thing: (Conservative woman author lists "examples")" We'll see if they post my reply... ;-) ___ Gendergap mailing list

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Introducing the public policy site

2015-09-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
Of course, the problem is that there are so many paid writer/activists, often sock puppets, who work daily to promote certain agendas and tarnish the reputations of those who agree with those agendas. I found this writing about the Israel-Palestine conflict, some war/peace issues and economic

[Gendergap] Signpost article on English Wikipedia's misogynist infopolitics... etc...

2015-08-20 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-08-19/Op-ed Op-ed WP:THREATENING2MEN: The English Wikipedia's misogynist infopolitics and the hegemony of the asshole consensus By Bryce Peake Check it out... ___ Gendergap mailing

[Gendergap] Fwd: Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative

2015-08-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
They did great work. Assumedly more info on how long the website will be up and how to download materials will be forthcoming. Forwarded Message Subject:Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:48:23 -0400 (EDT) From: The Ada

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative

2015-08-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
Yes, they'll be up. Yeah! On 4 August 2015 at 10:29, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: They did great work. Assumedly more info on how long the website will be up and how to download materials will be forthcoming. Forwarded

[Gendergap] Inspiring pre-workshop video?

2015-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
Which really is about the limitations that society (patriarchy) tries to impose on women and girls saying NO! Good one to play at beginning of (or encourage people to watch before) workshops or whatever... The best that commercial advertising can be... (even better than buy the world a coke

Re: [Gendergap] Research: men who harass women online

2015-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
I saw the loser spin on some TV report as well. I've definitely found the guys who gave me the most grief were psychologically disturbed. (Of course I consider patriarchal dominance behavior the main psychological disturbance of the human race.) This often is combined with some grievance

[Gendergap] Listing all projects on gender gap page

2015-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Participate I was starting to get confused about the multiplicity of links lately, some of which are a bit confusing. I don't have the energy to figure it all out and update https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap#Participate at the moment.

Re: [Gendergap] Lightbreather arbitration case

2015-07-16 Thread Carol Moore dc
I'm not sure what some of the seemingly most female-unfriendly parts of the Internet might be so Ellie would have to be more specific. But in my experience writing in a variety of political and economic and history-related articles on Wikipedia, it's all about male intellectual territory

Re: [Gendergap] Help us fill the Ally Skills Workshop at Wikimania!

2015-07-14 Thread Carol Moore dc
they can stay out of camera range and ask any comments they make not be taped. That is done at a lot of different events. On 7/13/2015 10:46 PM, Risker wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 21:37, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/13/2015 3:50 PM

Re: [Gendergap] Lightbreather arbitration case

2015-07-14 Thread Carol Moore dc
the woman at whose expense he was having his fun on those porn sites, will help women's participation? On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: The good news is this time they actually have a long list of problematic

Re: [Gendergap] Help us fill the Ally Skills Workshop at Wikimania!

2015-07-14 Thread Carol Moore dc
be they are OK if a narrator says their words and their face is pixellated, or perhaps they need their bit replaced by a shot of someone reacting to their words and the narrator saying a participant gave a personal example of harassment On 14 July 2015 at 13:40, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net

Re: [Gendergap] Lightbreather arbitration case

2015-07-13 Thread Carol Moore dc
The good news is this time they actually have a long list of problematic issues and are not just getting rid of editors for trumped up ones like that did with Neotarf and I, i.e., just listing of 5 or 6 examples of being snotty to (powerful and connected) editors who were obnoxiously harassing

Re: [Gendergap] Harassment management proposals in the 2015 Inspire Campaign - pinging Siko and Luis

2015-07-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/2/2015 4:37 PM, Neotarf wrote: Samuel Klein I think has a point that harassment and sexual harassment are not necessarily the same, the second being more of a civil rights issue. Harassment and sexual harassment can be done by men to women or women to men. However, harassment BECAUSE

Re: [Gendergap] Slate on Wikipedia and the gendergap

2015-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/22/2015 11:46 AM, Marie Earley wrote: I'm not keen on the phrase female-related content, I posted this transcript of an exchange I had with an editor https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2015-April/005670.html in April. When I dared to suggest that women could be interested

[Gendergap] NY Times: Can Wikipedia Survive?

2015-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/can-wikipedia-survive.html?_r=0 Gender gap is one of many issues mentioned. Thought not the most divisive one. Luckily I don't feel like going through my list of various solutions, much of which have to do with giving up with tyranny of

Re: [Gendergap] Retired

2015-05-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
underpinnings of the problem. It's a pity WP is not in the vanguard of this movement in the same way it has pioneered in other areas. Instead, those who report harassment will find themselves treated worse than the harassers. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Carol

Re: [Gendergap] Retired

2015-05-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 5/26/2015 8:35 PM, LB wrote: Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who have been friendly with me over the past year. Lightbreather Plus all that on-wiki harassment! I did notice something interesting and actually positive in Lightbreather's arbitration,

[Gendergap] Wikipedia used to counter sexism - for a change...

2015-05-21 Thread Carol Moore dc
At last, a story about Wikipedia being used against sexism, as opposed to BEING sexist! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3089709/Sexist-tech-company-faces-backlash-MEN-refusing-apologize-using-scantily-clad-lingerie-models-ads.html When Twitter user Damian Hickey jumped in by sharing

Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees

2015-05-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
Hmmm, looks like some guys even object to edit-a-thons, trashing their posters on campus... http://www.newsrecord.org/news/students-combat-gender-imbalance-online/article_fd100a5c-e13c-11e4-9d73-d3ef3275ba46.html On 5/2/2015 11:43 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: There was one very silly comment

Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees

2015-05-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
There was one very silly comment at the blog entry http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/01/meet-the-inspire-grantees/ So I couldn't help commenting on what I see as the big problem... Having lots more edit-a-thons, etc. to get women to try Wikipedia is great. But we can’t keep just ignoring the

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article (currently under review as part of Inspire): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured,

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
over unfamiliar policies? On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article (currently under review

Re: [Gendergap] Sorted by category... Progress of Inspire Grants – Gender gap campaign

2015-03-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
There are definitely dozens of really good projects in there. But the one that I think has the most promise for making a real sea-change is this one because it deals with males changing their behavior. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Allies Hopefully some guys -

Re: [Gendergap] Sorted by category... Progress of Inspire Grants – Gender gap campaign

2015-03-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
OK, I'm finally going through now to see if issues I care about are covered. The good news is there is a page sorting them by category and displaying the proposal name. So check it out before it's too late. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Ideas_by_theme A few obviously

Re: [Gendergap] Some motivation (:

2015-03-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 3/26/2015 3:26 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: Kerry, Thanks for that effort and I totally agree. Dyed-in-the-wool Wikipedians quickly develop a blind eye for other ways of approaching the topic of an edit-a-thon and it is the fresh perspective of the attendees that keeps us up-to-date and

Re: [Gendergap] We Can [Edit]! in Copenhagen

2015-03-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
I see several successful edit-a-thons mentioned. My mere question this time :-) Are the various sexism issues addressed at all (i.e., insults, harassment, double-standards) and what are the ways advised to deal with them. I know I'd feel better knowing that there is a constructive way to deal

[Gendergap] wikimedia.org Address_the_gender_gap page

2015-03-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Address_the_gender_gap I just noticed this and hadn't seen it announced here; sorry if duplicate. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,

[Gendergap] Wikipedia Sexism in Wired

2015-03-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/wikipedia-sexism/ Of course they don't cover disruption of Gender gap project, but do mention Gamergate. And most of the replies are absurdly sexist, just like on the Inspire talk page. Trying to get up energy to reply to both, but have been happy doing own thing

Re: [Gendergap] Inspire Campaign launches today!

2015-03-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 3/4/2015 2:11 PM, Alex Wang wrote: Hello Wikimedians, Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire This is great and a motivation for us to go through past and new ideas and add our favorites.

[Gendergap] Feminists aim to fix the Wikipedia gender gap

2015-02-17 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://dailyuw.com/archive/2015/02/16/news/feminists-aim-fix-wikipedia-gender-gap#.VONoci58uSo Feminists aim to fix the Wikipedia gender gap Good story about Amanda and Monika's edit-a-thon! CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

[Gendergap] Women-related comments - Wikimedia at FOSDEM 2015

2015-02-11 Thread Carol Moore DC
Post : Wikimedia at FOSDEM 2015 URL: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/02/11/wikimedia-at-fosdem-2015/ Posted : February 11, 2015 at 17:39 Author : asherman2015 Tags : developers, FOSDEM, free software, software, Wikimedia, Wikipedia Categories : Chapters, Events,

[Gendergap] Gaurdian rewrite: press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-02-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/23/wikipedia-bans-editors-from-gender-related-articles-amid-gamergate-controversy Note that they have changed it from original five feminists banned to more accurate account. I see some other reports on Guardian article also updated their versions.

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Request to mailing list Gendergap rejected

2015-02-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 2/4/2015 8:42 PM, George Herbert wrote: Be aware - someone is forging mail to the list in members' names. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone That's scary, cause it's so easy to do. So beware questionable messages from known and credible users...

Re: [Gendergap] Thank someone today.

2015-02-05 Thread Carol Moore dc
I just took a look and two of the editors were big critics of GGTF on my talk page, it's talk page and during arbitration and big defenders of the individual best known for using the C word including supporting him on his talk page... ___ Gendergap

[Gendergap] More press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
More articles, a couple of which I may answer. Let's face it, the main issue in both GGTF and Gamergate is males going NUTS because females want a more civil and less violent atmosphere and world. As I write in article linked below, Robin Morgan (formerly MS. Editor) has written that the

Re: [Gendergap] More press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/31/2015 2:47 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: As I write in article linked below, Robin Morgan (formerly MS. Editor) has written that the main value to males is proving their manhood through violence (including cursing and swearing, especially at women). http://www.carolmoore.net/sfm

[Gendergap] Arbitration Committee statement on Gamergate

2015-01-29 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Statement_on_the_GamerGate_case Obviously another statement to the press. *”Among on things says: “The Committee’s preliminary findings have been represented in some media stories as targeting feminist editors and

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/25/2015 1:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions the word, except once, when describing a subject that was slandered in the gamer gate article(s). I

Re: [Gendergap] Stepping down as list mod - volunteers needed

2015-01-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/25/2015 2:09 PM, Chris Keating wrote: I'd be happy to help, assuming another man doesn't imbalance things Chris I definitely think we need another woman. I'd step up, but as a banned from wikipedia feminist already, I won't embarrass anyone by doing so. CM

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/25/2015 6:17 PM, Nathan wrote: I think the lesson it sends is that a righteous cause is not a defense against accusations of disruption, nor a license to violate other policies. I'm sure that among the restricted people are those with positions I'd support along with many others, but

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
I think in both your case and Devil's Advocate (even though you take opposite positions) there may have been annoyance that you both very vocally took the wrong position on GGTF on the arbitration talk pages so this may be at least partial payback... On 1/25/2015 8:12 PM, Tarc . wrote:

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

2015-01-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/23/2015 10:34 PM, Sarah wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:14 PM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com mailto:slowki...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/23/wikipedia-bans-editors-from-gender-related-articles-amid-gamergate-controversy

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2015-01-17 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 12/23/2014 6:52 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: That was a death of article. I suspect there are articles that cover ISIS killing people, if they had only killed one person it might well be titled death of. Since they seem keen to torture enslave or murder anyone who doesn't share their brand

Re: [Gendergap] Opinion pieces on cisgender...Test Kaffeeklatsch area for women-only

2015-01-17 Thread Carol Moore dc
Since I started a minor brouhaha on cisgender, I figured I should provide some examples of women (and feminists) who dislike the phrase. Frankly, I never have gotten a handle on what gender means and never use the phrase gender at all except in gender gap, only because sex gap obviously is

Re: [Gendergap] Test Kaffeeklatsch area for women-only

2015-01-16 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/16/2015 2:20 PM, LB wrote: Based on a discussion at the WikiProject Women IdeaLab talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women#best_practice.3F, I have started a test Kaffeeklatsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather/Kaffeeklatsch area for

Re: [Gendergap] Women's wikipedia...was... Co-Op

2015-01-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/9/2015 7:37 PM, JJ Marr wrote: You should try out Wikia. Make a female friendly Wikipedia, or something like that. Thanks. Have been meaning to explore it for other uses. Did see http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page which was pretty amusing... It could be a place to do a

Re: [Gendergap] Women's wikipedia...was... Co-Op

2015-01-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/9/2015 8:23 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: Google has taken various active steps over the years towards penalising mirror sites, including Wikipedia mirrors. Guess you just saved someone a couple million bucks :-) Though obviously companies/nonprofits with a lot of clout could always

Re: [Gendergap] Women's wikipedia...was... Co-Op

2015-01-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
Was thinking about reforming wikipedia again! (fool that I am) and I started fantasizing about running into some billionaires I used to know and suggesting they just grab a mirror of Wikipedia and do it the right way Well, anyway, to make a long story, short I ran into this Wikipedia page

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