Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote: I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point, but that's my thinking on it at this time. Lightbreather You are braver than I! On the other hand this is what

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote: I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point, but that's my thinking on it

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Sarah Stierch
Hi. Some people can't speak up about what happened for legal reasons. I do think there is a double standard. But I have before my involvement in wiki. Living in the US it's a way of life. Some women who were impacted by those posts were harassed by people involved way prior to making their own

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Some people can't speak up about what happened for legal reasons. I do think there is a double standard. But I have before my involvement in wiki. Living in the US it's a way of life. Some women who were

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Sarah Stierch
Thanks Nathan. I do concur that harassment to the level myself, Carol and other very active outspoken women have experienced on/off wiki is not the standard experience for every woman who lines up to click edit. It sucks that it happens. But I also always remind people - unless you are editing

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread LB
And of course, that is the nub of the problem. Women shouldn't have to keep their heads down and write about acceptable and uncontroversial things to avoid getting harassed. (Also, I'm not sure even editing women scientists would be safe.) Lightbreather On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Sarah

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Sarah Stierch
I agree. But, it hasn't been serving those women who don't very well. The NFL is appearing to have a better track record right now than the Wikimedia community... in handling harassers and that's not saying much at all :) Sarah On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:36 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:

[Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-09 Thread Gender Gap
Hey, I've been following this list for a while. I'm pretty sick of the constant sexism on Wikipedia, and depressed because it's not just a few users, but seen in the opinions and suggestions of so many. I've started a twitter account (https://twitter.com/SaidOnWP) to give some examples of what I

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-09 Thread Kathleen McCook
The *#WhyIStayed hashtag shows also applies to this discussion. * On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Gender Gap saido...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I've been following this list for a while. I'm pretty sick of the constant sexism on Wikipedia, and depressed because it's not just a few users, but seen

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
Frankly, given the hostility to the Gender Gap project, I have to wonder about this Hashtag effort. Lightbreather quoted some obnoxious guy statements a month ago out of her own account and was roundly criticized. Forum shopping and canvassing issues were raised while others applauded it.

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-09 Thread LB
I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point, but that's my thinking on it at this time. Lightbreather On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: