Re: Enabling powersave for an lcd screen
The problem is not to turn the screen blank but to get it to go to standby (powersave). I tried: xset +dpms xset dpms force off xset dpms force standby xset dpms force suspend and they only blank the screen. This is why i think acpi/apm are required to enable the lcd screen LG flatron l1910s to enter powersaving mode instead of just making the screen black. On Sunday 04 February 2007 08:17, Oren Held wrote: I hope I'm not mistaken, but I think you don't need acpi/apm support for power save modes of monitors. Try xset dpms force off in X, and see if it works. xset +dpms should turn on dpms support for current X session. Enabling dpms setting timeouts can be done either from xorg.conf (search for 'offtime' option) or from kde/gnome gui configuration tools. Tzahi Fadida wrote: Hi, A while ago i had a system crash and i had to reinstall kubuntu from scratch. The powersave before worked and it also work now in windows. However, i can't seem to get it to work on the new installation. both acpid and apmd do not work. sudo acpid start acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy sudo apmd start No APM support in kernel I have kubuntu edgy updated. Bios have apm enabled. I also tried in the boot process to add acpi=force apm=off. and acpi=off apm=force, though this method did not load the kernel. I also tried installing powersaved. What else can i do? 10x. p.s.: i started with dapper and upgraded to edgy with adept. and the kernel is Linux Linux 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 01 Feb: What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing? If you are truly paranoid I suggest two things: 1. Change your online id to single-letter strings of just one letter, Like: zzz zzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] This makes searching by your name futile. Or do what I do and sign all your messages with 'Peter' or 'John'. There are about 100 million Johns out there and in case of identity theft they will likely take another John's identity. 2. Encode your birthday and snail mail address using a riddle that only a patient human can solve. Example: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/harry/address.htm (I solved that but it took a while) 3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sunday 04 February 2007 08:07, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 01 Feb: What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing? Ira, some people are paranoid, don't look for logic, it is a mental thing. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Enabling powersave for an lcd screen
Cancel my last. Adding Option DPMS to my monitor in xorg did the trick. Section Monitor identifier L1910S Option DPMS ... It seems that xorg and kde are not fully synced with their settings. The same thing happened, for example, when i wanted to switch keyboard maps between english and hebrew with alt-shift etc... In xorg.conf it works but in KDE regional settings the switching groups did not. Annoying. Thanks for the help! On Sunday 04 February 2007 11:09, Tzahi Fadida wrote: The problem is not to turn the screen blank but to get it to go to standby (powersave). I tried: xset +dpms xset dpms force off xset dpms force standby xset dpms force suspend and they only blank the screen. This is why i think acpi/apm are required to enable the lcd screen LG flatron l1910s to enter powersaving mode instead of just making the screen black. On Sunday 04 February 2007 08:17, Oren Held wrote: I hope I'm not mistaken, but I think you don't need acpi/apm support for power save modes of monitors. Try xset dpms force off in X, and see if it works. xset +dpms should turn on dpms support for current X session. Enabling dpms setting timeouts can be done either from xorg.conf (search for 'offtime' option) or from kde/gnome gui configuration tools. Tzahi Fadida wrote: Hi, A while ago i had a system crash and i had to reinstall kubuntu from scratch. The powersave before worked and it also work now in windows. However, i can't seem to get it to work on the new installation. both acpid and apmd do not work. sudo acpid start acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy sudo apmd start No APM support in kernel I have kubuntu edgy updated. Bios have apm enabled. I also tried in the boot process to add acpi=force apm=off. and acpi=off apm=force, though this method did not load the kernel. I also tried installing powersaved. What else can i do? 10x. p.s.: i started with dapper and upgraded to edgy with adept. and the kernel is Linux Linux 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Double quotation marks in Unicode Hebrew
According to the Unicode standard (see http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/BidiMirroring.txt ), the 2 characters at 201C and 201D are mirroring mates, meaning that within a right-to-left context, 201C should be displayed as Right Double Quotation Mark and 201D should be displayed as Left Double Quotation Mark. It seems that Firefox 2.0.0.1 is doing the right thing. Shalom (Regards), Mati Bidi Architect Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts IBM Israel Phone: +972 2 502Fax: +972 2 5870333Mobile: +972 52 2554160 Zvi Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 23:57 To Israeli Linux Hackers List linux-il@linux.org.il cc Subject Double quotation marks in Unicode Hebrew Shalom BIDI gurus! To distinguish, in Hebrew Unicode text, between quotation marks (מרכאות) and gershayim (גרשיים), I have been using for the opening quotation marks the unicode DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK U+201E (Windows-1255 0x84) and closing quotation marks the unicode LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK U+201C (Windows-1255: 0x93). For geshayim I used of course the unicode HEBREW PUNCTUATION GERSHAYIM U+05F4 (Windows-1255 0xD8). This arrangement looks best for me, although most modern books use (I think because of sheer laziness) the same glyph for all three (gershayim). However, I just noticed that Firefox 2.0.0.1 mirrors the LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK and displays instead the RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK U+201D (Windows-1255: 0x94). Firefox 1.5.0.9, Opera 9.10, and MSIE (sic) 6.0 All do not do it. Is this the correct behaviour under the UNICODE BIDI algorithm? Should I replace all my U+201C with U+201D so that they will look OK after mirroring? You can view my Web pages at http://JV.Gilead.org.il/hebrew/ and http://JV.Gilead.org.il/FAQ/index.he.html for examples of usage of these punctuation marks. Kol tuv, Zvi. -- Dr. Zvi Har'El mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Mathematics tel:+972-54-4227607 icq:179294841Technion - Israel Institute of Technology fax:+972-4-8293388 http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/Haifa 32000, ISRAEL If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all. -- Thumper (1942) Thursday, 14 Shevat 5767, 1 February 2007, 11:08PM
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
Peter wrote: 3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead. Do NOT, under any circumstances, adopt a policy involving digitally signing each and every outgoing email. According to the law in Israel (and in other countries too), digitally signing an email is identical to snail mailing the recipient a letter saying I hereby commit to doing everything said in this email, bearing your signature. Really, really bad idea. Peter Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
Hi Ariel,
That quote should be attributed to *me* not Ira. Ira was quoting
and replying to me.
More to the point - I know that some people are paranoid. I do not think
that Random Penguin is paranoid, just silly.
- yba
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ariel Biener wrote:
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:41:56 +0200
From: Ariel Biener [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ILUG linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sunday 04 February 2007 08:07, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 01 Feb:
What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing?
Ira, some people are paranoid, don't look for logic, it is a mental thing.
--Ariel
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Re: crappy audio
On 03/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The system is Kubuntu 6.10 running a 2.6.17 kernel, the system in a Lenovo 3000 N100. I'd try to concentrate on the exact sound card version and lookup alsa-project.org for its entry. Also the alsa users mailing list is a VERY friendly and useful source of help, if you can't find the answer on your own in that web site. Good luck. --Amos
Hosting Recommendations - Take 2
I sent this to the list once but only got one response for a service that is very expensive. Using hosting services outside of Israel I can find shared hosting packages as described below for $5 - $10 per month. Does anyone know of Israel based hosting services that can compete with that? I am willing to pay a little bit more but most of the prices I have heard about for Israel based hosting services is $100 per month. Thanks. Original Message Subject:Hosting Recommendations Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:40:24 +0200 From: David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL Mailing List linux-il@linux.org.il Can anyone recommend a shared hosting service located in Israel with reasonable prices for a decent hosting package. Requirements for the hosting package include: 25 GB storage space PHP / MySQL support Good connection speed Excellent uptime Outstanding support ASP support is an advantage Able to provide references of current long term customers To be honest, I usually do my hosting outside of Israel but for a particular client they are interested in specifically using a hosting service in Israel. Thanks, -- David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: crappy audio
--=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:45 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: On 03/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The system is Kubuntu 6.10 running a 2.6.17 kernel, the system in a Lenovo 3000 N100. I'd try to concentrate on the exact sound card version and lookup alsa-project.org for its entry. Also the alsa users mailing list is a VERY friendly and useful source of help, if you can't find the answer on your own in that web site. I also has an issue with crappy sound on a Lenovo 3000 - it is using the latest intel chipset, ICH8, which is not terribly well supported. The solution was to update to the latest ALSA (1.0.13 IIRC). I also had a problem where plugging earphones into the laptop did not disable the built-in speakers, while it did in MS-Windows. Do you have that problem too ? -- Oded ::.. The distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by... the ploution of the language. -- Arne Tiselius --=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8 META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT=GtkHTML/3.12.2 /HEAD BODY On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:45 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:BR BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE FONT COLOR=#00On 03/02/07, /FONTFONT COLOR=#00BDiego Iastrubni/B/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 lt;A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/Agt; wrote:/FONT /BLOCKQUOTE BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE BLOCKQUOTE FONT COLOR=#00The system is Kubuntu 6.10 running a 2.6.17 kernel, the system in a/FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00Lenovo 3000 N100./FONT /BLOCKQUOTE /BLOCKQUOTE BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE BR FONT COLOR=#00I'd try to concentrate on the exact sound card version and lookup A HREF=http://alsa-project.org;alsa-project.org/A for its entry./FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00Also the alsa users mailing list is a VERY friendly and useful source of help, if you can't find the/FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00answer on your own in that web site./FONTBR /BLOCKQUOTE BR I also has an issue with crappy sound on a Lenovo 3000 - it is using the latest intel chipset, ICH8, which is not terribly well supported. The solution was to update to the latest ALSA (1.0.13 IIRC). BR BR I also had a problem where plugging earphones into the laptop did not disable the built-in speakers, while it did in MS-Windows. Do you have that problem too ?BR BR TABLE CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 WIDTH=100% TR TD --BR OdedBR ::..BR The distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by... the ploution of the language.BR nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;-- Arne TiseliusBR BR /TD /TR /TABLE /BODY /HTML --=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting Recommendations - Take 2
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 14:20 +0200, David Suna wrote: I sent this to the list once but only got one response for a service that is very expensive. Using hosting services outside of Israel I can find shared hosting packages as described below for $5 - $10 per month. Does anyone know of Israel based hosting services that can compete with that? I am willing to pay a little bit more but most of the prices I have heard about for Israel based hosting services is $100 per month. 25 GB storage space The 25GB storage is your undoing. Almost all web sites use less then 1GB of storage, most less then 100MB (What are you planing to do with that much storage space?), so 25GB is about as many as 20 or so web sites. Also - with so much storage you probably intend to use a lot of bandwidth, and that might also be a problem. shameless plug If you'll spring for a new harddrive for one of my systems (one time expenditure), I'll be willing to offer a generous hosting proposal ;-) /shameless plug Using hosting services outside of Israel I can find shared hosting packages as described below for $5 - $10 per month. I really doubt this statement is correct, considering the above limitations and that outside Israel its very common to charge for bandwidth usage (though I'd be more then happy if you can prove me wrong and provide references: maybe I want to host there ;-). One of the cheapest hosting sites I know - nearlyfreespeech.net - will charge you for the storage alone $25 per month, and if we assume 1GB bandwidth usage per month (which sounds very low for a 25GB web site), you'd pay additional $10 per month. Still not $100, but much closer then the costs you quote above. -- Oded ::.. Instructions for life: 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Peter wrote: 3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead. Do NOT, under any circumstances, adopt a policy involving digitally signing each and every outgoing email. You mean *gasp* m$ mail agents which produce a message id that uniquely identifies the sender, the machine, the time, and the message are ok, but not a signature ? According to the law in Israel (and in other countries too), digitally signing an email is identical to snail mailing the recipient a letter saying I hereby commit to doing everything said in this email, bearing your signature. Can you quote this law please ? Here and 'elsewhere'. Really, really bad idea. Yeah, really bad. Everyone and their sisters already know you sent the message, it is in your logs, it is in the recipient's logs, it is in the ISPs logs, and then you deny that you meant to say what you said when they come after you because it is not signed ? Really ? Elbonian laws probably. Digital signatures simply ensure that the sender can confirm that he has sent the email as it is (referenced to his - the user's - logs, which are not public, and which he can delete at will). The method need not be transparent to the recipient (and it should NOT be transparent in fact, unless the sender specifically wants to let the recipient to be able to check it - under normal circumstances if there is a problem then the recipient will check the message with the sender for authenticity), it is for use by the sender only in case an email turns up which he did not send and is claimed to be by him (or mail that was 'edited'). Like spam often does f.ex., and like phishing tries to do. Also digitally signing a document doesnt imply anything legal excepting the fact that the envelope and the content is more tamper-proof than usually. You are probably confusing a registered digital signature that serves as authentication with a digital signature (hash, mark and log entry) that ensures deniability for the sender while securing the content against tampering. Also to keep spooks and s**t like that on their toes it is every man's duty to add a random hash to his outgoing messages. Like X-007: YTfFYyyfDDk676 (different from time to time of course). I even added some random noise to the https updates to dyndns for my $HOME server ;-) Ever since ISPs are obliged to keep and transfer logs to law enforcement and some search engines cooperate with the law 'preventively' I have 'preventively' engaged in deliberate chaffing and I will automate it soon (in fact I already did that in part). This implies surfing nonkosher sites, actively searching for explosives and poison and smut on the Internet from time to time and following links found about that and more. Sometimes I find fun stuff. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting Recommendations - Take 2
One hosting service that I have started using recently that provides way more storage and bandwidth than I listed below is http://www.eboundhost.com/ (see http://www.eboundhost.com/hosting/shared/linux.php). They got very good customer reviews in the sites that I checked. I have been relatively happy with them so far. The support has been very responsive. I have also been very happy using ICDSoft (www.icdsoft.com). Their basic package doesn't include much storage space but as a reseller for them I can upgrade the package to include 20 GB of storage space. With my reseller discount that comes out to $10 per month. For ASP support you tend to need to pay more. One example of a service that provides ASP support and relatively large storage is www.3essentials.com. For $10 per month you can get 13 GB and for $20 per month you can get 28 GB. As for the application, this is intended as a storage site for large files that will be downloaded by a small number of people. Some of the files will be video files and some of the downloads will be streaming (or pseudo streaming). You are right that most sites do not require anywhere near this amount of space and this actual project doesn't need it at the outset but may grow to need it. Since I know that there are services out there that do this for a reasonable price outside of Israel I don't think the client should need to pay several hundred dollars per month for an Israel based solution. Another important factor is having very good support. I don't want to take on the responsibility of managing a VPS or a dedicated server. The software I want to use is standard enough that I don't need to install my own packages. So I want a solution that will make this rock solid without adding overhead to my work. David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oded Arbel wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 14:20 +0200, David Suna wrote: I sent this to the list once but only got one response for a service that is very expensive. Using hosting services outside of Israel I can find shared hosting packages as described below for $5 - $10 per month. Does anyone know of Israel based hosting services that can compete with that? I am willing to pay a little bit more but most of the prices I have heard about for Israel based hosting services is $100 per month. 25 GB storage space The 25GB storage is your undoing. Almost all web sites use less then 1GB of storage, most less then 100MB (What are you planing to do with that much storage space?), so 25GB is about as many as 20 or so web sites. Also - with so much storage you probably intend to use a lot of bandwidth, and that might also be a problem. shameless plug If you'll spring for a new harddrive for one of my systems (one time expenditure), I'll be willing to offer a generous hosting proposal ;-) /shameless plug Using hosting services outside of Israel I can find shared hosting packages as described below for $5 - $10 per month. I really doubt this statement is correct, considering the above limitations and that outside Israel its very common to charge for bandwidth usage (though I'd be more then happy if you can prove me wrong and provide references: maybe I want to host there ;-). One of the cheapest hosting sites I know - nearlyfreespeech.net - will charge you for the storage alone $25 per month, and if we assume 1GB bandwidth usage per month (which sounds very low for a 25GB web site), you'd pay additional $10 per month. Still not $100, but much closer then the costs you quote above. -- Oded ::.. Instructions for life: 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
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Hi Peter,
Read the law:
çå÷ çúéîä àì÷èøåðéú, äúùñà - 2001
Shachar's claims are mostly correct.
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Peter wrote:
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:38:09 +0200 (IST)
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED], ILUG linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Peter wrote:
3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four
lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, adopt a policy involving digitally
signing each and every outgoing email.
You mean *gasp* m$ mail agents which produce a message id that uniquely
identifies the sender, the machine, the time, and the message are ok, but not
a signature ?
You can still repudiate these messages by claiming that someone else sent
them from your computer.
According to the law in Israel (and in other countries too), digitally
signing an email is identical to snail mailing the recipient a letter
saying I hereby commit to doing everything said in this email, bearing
your signature.
No, digital signatures are even stronger, they are non-repudiable by law.
Once you sign, that's it. When you sign with a pen you can claim forgery,
not so with a digital signature - that's the law now.
Can you quote this law please ? Here and 'elsewhere'.
çå÷ çúéîä àì÷èøåðéú, äúùñà - 2001
Really, really bad idea.
Yeah, really bad. Everyone and their sisters already know you sent the
message, it is in your logs, it is in the recipient's logs, it is in the ISPs
logs, and then you deny that you meant to say what you said when they come
after you because it is not signed ? Really ?
Yes. You can deny it and you have a chance that the judges will accept
your argument. You argue that you left your PC open and your wife with
whom you are initiating divorce proceedings sent the email in order to
take revenge.
Elbonian laws probably. Digital signatures simply ensure that the sender can
confirm that he has sent the email as it is (referenced to his - the user's -
logs, which are not public, and which he can delete at will). The method need
not be transparent to the recipient (and it should NOT be transparent in
fact, unless the sender specifically wants to let the recipient to be able to
check it - under normal circumstances if there is a problem then the
recipient will check the message with the sender for authenticity), it is for
use by the sender only in case an email turns up which he did not send and is
claimed to be by him (or mail that was 'edited'). Like spam often does f.ex.,
and like phishing tries to do.
Also digitally signing a document doesnt imply anything legal excepting the
fact that the envelope and the content is more tamper-proof than usually. You
are probably confusing a registered digital signature that serves as
authentication with a digital signature (hash, mark and log entry) that
ensures deniability for the sender while securing the content against
tampering.
Digital signing as used by the general public usually means a digital
signature backed by a cert - this is also the sense used in the text of
the law. In this sense, digital signatures have all of the serious
implications that Shachar mentions and more.
Also to keep spooks and s**t like that on their toes it is every man's duty
to add a random hash to his outgoing messages. Like X-007: YTfFYyyfDDk676
(different from time to time of course).
Doesn't fool anyone.
I even added some random noise to the https updates to dyndns for my $HOME
server ;-)
Ever since ISPs are obliged to keep and transfer logs to law enforcement and
some search engines cooperate with the law 'preventively' I have
'preventively' engaged in deliberate chaffing and I will automate it soon (in
fact I already did that in part). This implies surfing nonkosher sites,
actively searching for explosives and poison and smut on the Internet from
time to time and following links found about that and more. Sometimes I find
fun stuff.
You underestimate them. You are just wasting bandwidth.
- yba
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Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
Peter wrote: You mean *gasp* m$ mail agents which produce a message id that uniquely identifies the sender, the machine, the time, and the message are ok, but not a signature ? Yes. That's what I mean. According to the law in Israel (and in other countries too), digitally signing an email is identical to snail mailing the recipient a letter saying I hereby commit to doing everything said in this email, bearing your signature. Can you quote this law please ? Here and 'elsewhere'. I'm not sure about elsewhere. Maybe http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-24852,00.html will help. For Israel, I can not find the final version, but here's a digest of an advanced draft (http://www.law.co.il/showarticles.php?d=harticle=56), and you have my word that the law was, indeed, passed. If you need more, do your own search. Really, really bad idea. Yeah, really bad. Everyone and their sisters already know you sent the message, it is in your logs, it is in the recipient's logs, it is in the ISPs logs, and then you deny that you meant to say what you said when they come after you because it is not signed ? Really ? If they sue you in court, you can say that I will take out the garbage was a by-saying. If you digitally signed it, it's a binding contract. That's ok, so long as that's what you meant to do. Somehow, I doubt that it is the case for each and every email you write. Also digitally signing a document doesnt imply anything legal It does in Israel. It does in the USA. I'm not sure about other countries. Also to keep spooks and s**t like that on their toes it is every man's duty to add a random hash to his outgoing messages. Like X-007: YTfFYyyfDDk676 (different from time to time of course). And this will help how? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sunday February 4 2007, Peter wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 01 Feb: What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing? If you are truly paranoid I suggest two things: Ok, I am, after all, only human. So I will take the glove and play the dusty blackhat card today. 1. Change your online id to single-letter strings of just one letter, Like: zzz zzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest you take a look at advanced search syntax of google for a start. Google Hacks and book and j0hnny's website may be an interesting reading for you. This makes searching by your name futile. Or do what I do and sign all your messages with 'Peter' or 'John'. There are about 100 million Johns out there and in case of identity theft they will likely take another John's identity. After wiping off my tears, I did this naive query: http://www.google.com/search?q=peter+plp+actcomie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 hitting paydirt at the very first obvious link: http://www.actcom.co.il/~plp Stealthy online presence indeed. The rest of the results look relevant as well. Having your not very common name, should I continue on what would an identity thief do next? 2. Encode your birthday and snail mail address using a riddle that only a patient human can solve. Example: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/harry/address.htm (I solved that but it took a while) How's that going to protect your identity? 3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead. Yum! Give me another tracking vector, your web of trust. I will be able to pinpoint your location, interests, friends, business contacts...and measure the pet paranoia level in bits, while I'm at it. Do yourself a favor and next time you are going to distribute security advice, don't insult the blackhats' intelligence while you're doing it. They have a swollen ego, the very least, you'll be laughed at. They are smart enough to do what they do and not get caught, what makes you think they are stupid enough to not master the art of Google search? -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Let me have men about me that are fat Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look He thinks too much: such men are dangerous. -- William Shakespeare: Julius Caesar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: crappy audio
Hi Oded, I can confirm the unpligging issue you describe. It's a known fact (Hetz already mentioned it on this list a few weeks ago). According to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo3000N100_0768 There is a patch which fixes it. I cannot confirm if it works, and not say anything about the quality of sound. I will wait for May-June, a month or two after the Ubuntu release and then test the new drivers (always, but always install new versions 2-3 months after they have been released). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo3000N100_0768 This wiki also tought me that the camera is a WIP, quite cool. Oded, did you make the sd card reader work? Acording to this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_the_internal_SD-CARD_working It should work, however enabling the tifm_sd module at boot, disables the audio on this system. I also understand that it's possible to make the modem work, I just need to visit the linmodems.org mailing list. ביום ראשון 04 פברואר 2007, 14:47, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel: --=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:45 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: On 03/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The system is Kubuntu 6.10 running a 2.6.17 kernel, the system in a Lenovo 3000 N100. I'd try to concentrate on the exact sound card version and lookup alsa-project.org for its entry. Also the alsa users mailing list is a VERY friendly and useful source of help, if you can't find the answer on your own in that web site. I also has an issue with crappy sound on a Lenovo 3000 - it is using the latest intel chipset, ICH8, which is not terribly well supported. The solution was to update to the latest ALSA (1.0.13 IIRC). I also had a problem where plugging earphones into the laptop did not disable the built-in speakers, while it did in MS-Windows. Do you have that problem too ? -- Oded ::.. The distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by... the ploution of the language. -- Arne Tiselius --=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8 META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT=GtkHTML/3.12.2 /HEAD BODY On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:45 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:BR BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE FONT COLOR=#00On 03/02/07, /FONTFONT COLOR=#00BDiego Iastrubni/B/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 lt;A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/Agt; wrote:/FONT /BLOCKQUOTE BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE BLOCKQUOTE FONT COLOR=#00The system is Kubuntu 6.10 running a 2.6.17 kernel, the system in a/FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00Lenovo 3000 N100./FONT /BLOCKQUOTE /BLOCKQUOTE BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE BR FONT COLOR=#00I'd try to concentrate on the exact sound card version and lookup A HREF=http://alsa-project.org;alsa-project.org/A for its entry./FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00Also the alsa users mailing list is a VERY friendly and useful source of help, if you can't find the/FONTBR FONT COLOR=#00answer on your own in that web site./FONTBR /BLOCKQUOTE BR I also has an issue with crappy sound on a Lenovo 3000 - it is using the latest intel chipset, ICH8, which is not terribly well supported. The solution was to update to the latest ALSA (1.0.13 IIRC). BR BR I also had a problem where plugging earphones into the laptop did not disable the built-in speakers, while it did in MS-Windows. Do you have that problem too ?BR BR TABLE CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 WIDTH=100% TR TD --BR OdedBR ::..BR The distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by... the ploution of the language.BR nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;-- Arne TiseliusBR BR /TD /TR /TABLE /BODY /HTML --=-wkGA1l+GZW+h4eHZNhSD-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: find fun stuff. You underestimate them. You are just wasting bandwidth. Actually I hope 'they' will bother to break the 'code'. Because the plaintext tag says 'fuzz=...' (and it used to say 'pigbait'). Sorry I have fun memories from other countries so I'm biased. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: YTfFYyyfDDk676 (different from time to time of course). And this will help how? If there is a harnivore system somewhere triggering on nontext codes it will start wasing serious time and producing huger reports for its masters if 5% of email has such nonstandard text. I am not underestimating anybody but the current rules seem to indicate that all mail is read and sifted through for 'clues'. This is technically feasible. Pumping large amounts of random numbers and nondeterministic behavior into these channels is a good countermeasure imho. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Mandriva 2007 mirror is not up to date
-- Forwarded message -- From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 4, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Mandriva 2007 mirror is not up to date To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/4/07, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the subject says it all Hi Shlomo! The best way to report problems with the iglu.org.il mirrors is by using the contact address at the top of: http://mirror.iglu.org.il/ Bothering the entire public Linux-IL (most of whom cannot help you) with such problems is probably sub-optimal. Alternatively you can subscribe to the iglu-web mailing list: http://www.iglu.org.il/mailing-lists/iglu-web.html and post your message there. That put aside, it would be useful if you can provide more information on what exactly is not up-to-date there. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail (KDE 3.5.4) on LINUX Mandriva 2007 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ If his programming is anything like his philosophising, he would find 10 imaginary bugs in the Hello World program. -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ If his programming is anything like his philosophising, he would find 10 imaginary bugs in the Hello World program. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On 05/02/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not underestimating anybody but the current rules seem to indicate that all mail is read and sifted through for 'clues'. This is technically feasible. Pumping large amounts of random numbers and nondeterministic behavior into these channels is a good countermeasure imho. Do whatever you like, but from following this thread it seems to me like you are just pumping your signature on their radar. Back in the 90's people used to append trigger words in their Usenet .sigs in attempts to overwhelm the (back then still just a rumour) Echelon network. You don't see these any more. As someone who have been on their cross hairs for doing something completely legal (I partly blame their broken English for even bothering with me), I'd recommend you to reconsider. --Amos
RE: ID theft (offtipicish)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:10 PM To: Shachar Shemesh Cc: ILUG Subject: Re: ID theft (offtipicish) On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: YTfFYyyfDDk676 (different from time to time of course). And this will help how? If there is a harnivore system somewhere triggering on nontext codes it will start wasing serious time and producing huger reports for its masters if 5% of email has such nonstandard text. If you think that this is going to bother any semi intelligent system then you are not only paranoid, you are a very naïve paranoid. It won't spend an extra millisecond or produce an extra line in the report for whatever master it has. I can build a smarter filter in five minutes using Perl. You really have a very naïve view of how intelligence work is conducted. I am not underestimating anybody but the current rules seem to indicate that all mail is read and sifted through for 'clues'. This is technically feasible. Pumping large amounts of random numbers and nondeterministic behavior into these channels is a good countermeasure imho. It's a very useless countermeasure Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
Peter wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: YTfFYyyfDDk676 (different from time to time of course). And this will help how? If there is a harnivore system somewhere triggering on nontext codes it will start wasing serious time and producing huger reports for its masters if 5% of email has such nonstandard text. I meant, how will this help against the fact that, if you sign your emails, they are legally binding? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Amos Shapira wrote: On 05/02/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not underestimating anybody but the current rules seem to indicate that all mail is read and sifted through for 'clues'. This is technically feasible. Pumping large amounts of random numbers and nondeterministic behavior into these channels is a good countermeasure imho. Do whatever you like, but from following this thread it seems to me like you are just pumping your signature on their radar. I am not making any effort in this direction. If I appear on someone's 'radar' then it means that they must have turned it on, against civilians (worse, against civilians of their own persuasion), in peacetime. If the internet is the biggest security dragnet in the world (or someone mistakes it for that, perhaps because he is holding the user's manual upside down in his chain mail gloves) then it's good to know, I think. Also if it is used to 'redefine' 'civilians' as something else, as needed. As someone who have been on their cross hairs for doing something completely legal (I partly blame their broken English for even bothering with me), I'd recommend you to reconsider. I am not looking for trouble, what I do is a part of what is technically permitted according to the valid RFCs that govern the operation of the internet (and of email specifically, relevant to this discussion). What I do serves to test ideas and helps to develop new things. This is part of what I do, it is not random or hostile. Some of it has a certain humorous slant, but then that is something that cannot be helped. The environment is very boring and I have to run my own flea circus for amusement and RR. As to who can be in 'their' 'crosshairs', I have had a few personal occurences (more than three) which can be explained in very few ways without applying the 'crosshairs' theorem (and not applying it would require application of a different theorem, that of 'arbitrary discrimination' - I don't know which is worse). My 'attitude problem' has appeared after that. I am not saying that it is a reaction to it. As to 'reconsidering': I have nothing to reconsider myself. What I do is technically correct and not hostile. Other than that: I come from a country that has had a fair share of trouble for about 65 years wrt. my ethnicities (this includes the Holocaust but goes beyond that in many ways). There were human and material losses and serious discrimination and attempts at brainwashing and psychological and political 'reeducation', as well as copious FUD and intimidation (and some of that is not over, and not sufficiently explained yet). I consider the current IT/IP/Linux/m$/lawsuit/whatever wars a kosher Purim kindergarten play compared to that, and my humorous attitude about it is a consequence of that. You would be surprized at my 'attitude' in case of conflict regarding freedom of speech (within reason) and of communication (also within reason). Let's not go there. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Micha Feigin wrote: If you think that this is going to bother any semi intelligent system then you are not only paranoid, you are a very naïve paranoid. It won't spend an extra millisecond or produce an extra line in the report for whatever master it has. I can build a smarter filter in five minutes using Perl. You really have a very naïve view of how intelligence work is conducted. Maybe not. I am not interested in 'intelligence work', I am interested in the redefinition of 'giant worldwide dragnet' as 'intelligence work'. And in the adjacent redefinition of civilians as something else using information collected as above. FYI a HMM/Bayesian qualifier like bogofilter could be trained after 10 messages to select on messages containing such headers. However when all the messages contained them the filter was unable to tell the difference between messages with and without information content. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Micha Feigin wrote: It's a very useless countermeasure I love it when several list members chip in to say how 'useless' a measure is. Thanks for the feedback. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
